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I love that you keep writing big paragraphs that could be summed in a sentence or two, and liking each others comments like your lives depend on it. Everyone who disagrees and states the fact - that conclave should be deleted just like raids is mobbed out of the thread. Conclave really is a hivemind.

3 hours ago, Sevek7 said:

Besides, do you really think removing things based on low player engagement is a good idea?

Yes, absolutely.

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5 minutes ago, Incongruous said:

I love that you keep writing big paragraphs that could be summed in a sentence or two, and liking each others comments like your lives depend on it. Everyone who disagrees and states the fact - that conclave should be deleted just like raids is mobbed out of the thread. Conclave really is a hivemind.

Dude, you come here talking about hiveminds while legit parroting the usual GD and reddit nonsense. Your lack of self awarenesss and huge self entitlement are showing.

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13 minutes ago, Incongruous said:

I love that you keep writing big paragraphs that could be summed in a sentence or two, and liking each others comments like your lives depend on it. Everyone who disagrees and states the fact - that conclave should be deleted just like raids is mobbed out of the thread. Conclave really is a hivemind.

Yes, absolutely.

Oh sorry you were serious about talking facts? Your previous post seemed more like satire to me, from how it was filled with bad attitude and parroted misinformation... If you wanna educate yourself about the situation just read the response. 😉

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hace 7 horas, GeeseGoosey dijo:

It takes me 20 minutes to match with a squad for any game mode in conclave if I join one at all, it's nearly impossible to max out standing for the day. I think that making the exclusive conclave items like skins be available from sources like steel path honours or even nightwave would make these really cool skins more available to players.

If you want to speak something about the conclave try to speak it directly to the devs since the only ones that see this kind of posts are the conclave fans and you cant reason with them.

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5 minutes ago, VoidArkhangel said:

If you want to speak something about the conclave try to speak it directly to the devs since the only ones that see this kind of posts are the conclave fans and you cant reason with them.

That usually depends on how much reason the demand has to begin with and if there is a way to compromise.

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7 minutes ago, Incongruous said:

Of course you think so. I can't wait for the other few Conclave players to repeat your posts and start patting each other on the backs for how good you are at arguing with the 'toxic' detractors.

Isn't exactly that, but on the contrary perspective the incentive that made you start posting here? At least thats the impression you're giving. If not I'd like to read what it is, please elaborate.

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hace 14 minutos, Loxyen dijo:

That usually depends on how much reason the demand has to begin with and if there is a way to compromise.

If you say so... so far I've only seen conclave players who want to protect it but dont want it to change.

Sure, everything should change only for the better but I've seen some good ideas that got neglected just because these players dont want to change anyhting from the conclave we have right now (apart from bugs and exploits ofc) even if they dont play it anymore.

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31 minutes ago, Incongruous said:

Everyone who disagrees and states the fact - that conclave should be deleted just like raids is mobbed out of the thread.

"Conclave should be deleted" is an opinion, not a fact. The merits of your opinion are based on the arguments you make, and so far you have only made a single argument: Low player engagement -> should be deleted.

That is a bad argument, especially since it periodically applies to 90% of the entire game.

34 minutes ago, Incongruous said:

Conclave really is a hivemind.

No, it's not. I (and others) will freely admit that there are valid arguments for why DE should delete or not work on Conclave [Personally I think the arguments for keeping Conclave outweigh these, but I acknowledge the other side arguments do exist and are valid]. You just haven't said any of those valid arguments yet.

Also, there are even people in this thread who do not play Conclave who are disagreeing with you. I would guess that it has less to do with your position and more to do with how you decided to embed your arguments within a bunch of unnecessary toxicity. 

Opening with toxicity and bad faith arguments, then claiming you're being victimized by a "hivemind" when people call you out for it, is sad.

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1 minute ago, VoidArkhangel said:

If you say so... so far I've only seen conclave players who want to protect it but dont want it to change.

Sure, everything should change only for the better but I've seen some good ideas that got neglected just because these players dont want to change anyhting from the conclave we have right now (apart from bugs and exploits ofc) even if they dont play it anymore.

I think it depends on what you mean by "change." As far as I can tell, Conclave players are generally supportive of incremental changes to improve the game-mode. But if "change" means to get rid of it entirely and replace it with something completely different like Archwing Racing, then that's a different story. That doesn't mean that something completely different shouldn't be done, but in that case the old version should still be kept for those who enjoy it - especially since it requires only a negligible amount of maintenance.

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15 minutes ago, Sevek7 said:

I think it depends on what you mean by "change." As far as I can tell, Conclave players are generally supportive of incremental changes to improve the game-mode. But if "change" means to get rid of it entirely and replace it with something completely different like Archwing Racing, then that's a different story. That doesn't mean that something completely different shouldn't be done, but in that case the old version should still be kept for those who enjoy it - especially since it requires only a negligible amount of maintenance.

archwing and kdrive racing would unironically be better then the current conclave
there are no "changes" that can be made to conclave to improve it, the core of conclave is the problem
only way to make conclave good is to scrap what is there and start over

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2 minutes ago, rachjumper said:

archwing and kdrive racing would unironically be better then the current conclave

That's entirely subjective and, unlike warframes, players interested in these modes wouldn't be able to do it until they unlock the gear for these (Archwings and K-drives)

4 minutes ago, rachjumper said:

there are no "changes" that can be made to conclave to improve it

There are, there's plenty of threads explaining what could be done to improve it in several areas. A narrow minded hivemind community saying otherwise just because they enjoy content that can be beaten by mindlessly mashing 1234EEEEE1234EEEE... while watching movies is an entirely different thing.

6 minutes ago, rachjumper said:

the core of conclave is the problem

Not sure if you had noticed, but conclave's core is literally the same core of warframe gameplay. Both PvE and PvP share the same mechanics and the main difference between them is balance.

7 minutes ago, rachjumper said:

only way to make conclave good is to scrap what is there and start over

Once again, that's subjective. As you can see, there is a community of players who already like warframe vs warframe combat; If you disagree, that's fine unless you're legit going out of your way to remove our fun in order to add a bad mode just because you and a bunch of self entitled players want access to a few useless cosmetics that you don't need anyways.

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hace 8 minutos, Sevek7 dijo:

I think it depends on what you mean by "change." As far as I can tell, Conclave players are generally supportive of incremental changes to improve the game-mode. But if "change" means to get rid of it entirely and replace it with something completely different like Archwing Racing, then that's a different story. That doesn't mean that something completely different shouldn't be done, but in that case the old version should still be kept for those who enjoy it - especially since it requires only a negligible amount of maintenance.

I mean, a "hard reset" isnt always as bad as most would like to think and (imo) is the best option on the "How to improve conclave" topic, but anyways by "change" I mean a sustantial rework of some sort that could go from tweaking a feature to a completely new conclave.

As for those who enjoy how the conclave is right now, I know that is hard to let something you like slip out of your fingers but its part of making it better, would you sacrifice all the posibilities of improvement for a thing that a lot of people could enjoy along you just because you and some friends are comfortable with what it is right now? If DE decided to remake the conclave they could keep the current one but I think that would make the fracture between regular players and the current Conclave fans even bigger.

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43 minutes ago, VoidArkhangel said:

If you say so... so far I've only seen conclave players who want to protect it but dont want it to change.

Sure, everything should change only for the better but I've seen some good ideas that got neglected just because these players dont want to change anyhting from the conclave we have right now (apart from bugs and exploits ofc) even if they dont play it anymore.

These protective/maintaining responses come from demands that wouldn't make much sense, alter the gameplay completely, or the plain "just remove/replace it" thing.

E.g. on the pvx matter there are lots of requests that are asking to remove/replace Conclave with another pve mode that merely has a ranking list or similar as the only "pvp" element to it. We already have events and ranking lists for pve. Can't say I'd be against a pvx mode, but it should be implemented properly and I'd miss the pure pvp, especially when there is no reason to remove/replace it.

A big concern about pvx and bots is how the AI acts and how easily one can exploit it aswell.

Wouldn't say that every Conclave player is against a pvx mode either. Beside its flaws the Dark Sector Solar Rail wars were quite good and many liked the concept.

One even took the time and compiled a solid pvx mode suggestion that took into account how the game works. (He proposed to include uni meds to Conclave that way aswell)

 

 

Another often mentioned issue would be the lack of skill based matchmaking (beside whatever Recruit Conditioning is) and the implementation of a stamina bar to nerf the movement thats already tied to ehp balance.

Especially now with Shield Gating I don't see that another nerf on mobility would benefit the new player experience, because the vets are already used to shooting heads at the current pace. That'll turn out the opposite way they intended. Honestly if DE would rework the match up system and introduced some server browser with e.g. the option to implement comments to your lobby (like veteran lobby, new player lobby etc.) or some sort of skill grading batch depending on the overall Conclave playtime of the players in there it'll already help with the match making and the not finding lobbies issue. Maybe add a filter to that aswell.

 

Many of them are bummed out due to the current state it is in from the 4 years of neglect, but would jump in again once the fixes are done I guess.

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1 minute ago, VoidArkhangel said:

I mean, a "hard reset" isnt always as bad as most would like to think and (imo) is the best option on the "How to improve conclave" topic, but anyways by "change" I mean a sustantial rework of some sort that could go from tweaking a feature to a completely new conclave.

I'm not totally opposed and would entertain a "hard reset" as long as players are still able to play as Warframes. I would also try the Grineer versus Corpus style mode people are often talking about. I do agree that a substantial rework is probably necessary if Conclave is to be enjoyable for the majority of the current Warframe community, and would certainly be open to changes that lower the skill ceiling and raise the skill floor substantially - I do think this is a necessary part. That being said, if they scrapped the current Conclave and turned it into a racing mode I would probably lose interest quite fast (but I would try it!). 

7 minutes ago, VoidArkhangel said:

As for those who enjoy how the conclave is right now, I know that is hard to let something you like slip out of your fingers but its part of making it better, would you sacrifice all the posibilities of improvement for a thing that a lot of people could enjoy along you just because you and some friends are comfortable with what it is right now? If DE decided to remake the conclave they could keep the current one but I think that would make the fracture between regular players and the current Conclave fans even bigger.

For me personally, I think the current Conclave has huge potential but is extremely flawed due to design choices that make it way too easy for experienced players to dominate new players with basically zero risk. I'm definitely supportive of ways to seriously shrink the skill gap. Conclave is most fun when playing an even match, and so I see this kind of change as "slipping towards my fingers." 

But yeah, if they scrapped it and replaced it with something completely different... I would give it a go and try to have an open mind. However I grew up on arena shooters and think a racing game won't quite scratch the same itch that Conclave currently does for me.

 

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7 minutes ago, ----Legacy---- said:

There are, there's plenty of threads explaining what could be done to improve it in several areas. A narrow minded hivemind community saying otherwise just because they enjoy content that can be beaten by mindlessly mashing 1234EEEEE1234EEEE... while watching movies is an entirely different thing.

warframe is a power fantasy shlooter
if you're looking for a challenge, you're playing the wrong game
go try titanfall 2 bud

7 minutes ago, ----Legacy---- said:

Not sure if you had noticed, but conclave's core is literally the same core of warframe gameplay. Both PvE and PvP share the same mechanics and the main difference between them is balance.

the core of warframe - those mechanics they share -  were built for pve
the pvp was added as an afterthought to try and bring in more players
and it failed, hence why they abandoned it

12 minutes ago, ----Legacy---- said:

Once again, that's subjective. As you can see, there is a community of players who already like warframe vs warframe combat

if there was actually a community then it wouldn't take +30 minutes to find a match during peak weekend hours

14 minutes ago, ----Legacy---- said:

; If you disagree, that's fine unless you're legit going out of your way to remove our fun in order to add a bad mode just because you and a bunch of self entitled players want access to a few useless cosmetics that you don't need anyways

>add a bad mode
>self entitled players
>useless cosmetics that you don't need anyways

conclave is literally a bad mode
if it was a good mode, more then 10 people would play it
the people here who are self entitled are the conclave players who refuse to allow their """useless""" cosmetics to be added to the steel path pool because "I earned it the hard way, and you should too! just play conclave!", even though most people can't even get a match going

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14 minutes ago, VoidArkhangel said:

I mean, a "hard reset" isnt always as bad as most would like to think and (imo) is the best option on the "How to improve conclave" topic, but anyways by "change" I mean a sustantial rework of some sort that could go from tweaking a feature to a completely new conclave.

As for those who enjoy how the conclave is right now, I know that is hard to let something you like slip out of your fingers but its part of making it better, would you sacrifice all the posibilities of improvement for a thing that a lot of people could enjoy along you just because you and some friends are comfortable with what it is right now? If DE decided to remake the conclave they could keep the current one but I think that would make the fracture between regular players and the current Conclave fans even bigger.

We already had that with the current version. OG Conclave were nodes on the planets where you could play with your pve loadouts. The only balance restriction was a Conclave score limit where everything you used had its own rating.

Later DE scrapped that concept, detached it from pve (more or less.. still the same code but with multipliers) and rebuilt and rebalanced it. I can tell you that Conclave had its best balance state right before poe launched and the devs decided to stop the development. It wasn't dead either. You could literally play days through and always find matches.

I doubt that most of the pvp players are against adding new things to the syndicate pool as long as they're somewhat related to pvp/pvx and reasonably inclosed. Its just that the demands very often snap from add it to replace/remove with no valid reasoning behind.

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17 minutes ago, rachjumper said:

warframe is a power fantasy shlooter
if you're looking for a challenge, you're playing the wrong game
go try titanfall 2 bud

the core of warframe - those mechanics they share -  were built for pve
the pvp was added as an afterthought to try and bring in more players
and it failed, hence why they abandoned it

if there was actually a community then it wouldn't take +30 minutes to find a match during peak weekend hours

>add a bad mode
>self entitled players
>useless cosmetics that you don't need anyways

conclave is literally a bad mode
if it was a good mode, more then 10 people would play it
the people here who are self entitled are the conclave players who refuse to allow their """useless""" cosmetics to be added to the steel path pool because "I earned it the hard way, and you should too! just play conclave!", even though most people can't even get a match going

Why should someone who's enjoying a game go to another? You know thats a customer less for the devs?

You know that Conclave existed as one of the oldest game modes way before the movement rework? And that DE seperated the Conclave balance from pve balance so they could e.g. tie ehp to mobility as balance factors?

The poor state Conclave is in atm is a reflection from the 4 years of dev neglect and bugs and exploits bleeding over from some reworks. Not to mention the unfitting matchmaking system. 6 regions, ping limit, matching bugs and rc which doubles that again... Bug and exploit fixes and a server browser or such would path the way to fix that.

Before poe you literally could play around the clock if you wanted.

 

How do you make up that number?

 

Look... if you reeeeeaaaally want the mods and skins and ignore that stuff to get matches:

 

You can still gather ppl in recruit chat, forums, your friend list or where ever to get matches done.

Even some of the content creators play it every now and then.

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10 minutes ago, rachjumper said:

warframe is a power fantasy shlooter
if you're looking for a challenge, you're playing the wrong game
go try titanfall 2 bud

the core of warframe - those mechanics they share -  were built for pve
the pvp was added as an afterthought to try and bring in more players
and it failed, hence why they abandoned it

if there was actually a community then it wouldn't take +30 minutes to find a match during peak weekend hours

>add a bad mode
>self entitled players
>useless cosmetics that you don't need anyways

conclave is literally a bad mode
if it was a good mode, more then 10 people would play it
the people here who are self entitled are the conclave players who refuse to allow their """useless""" cosmetics to be added to the steel path pool because "I earned it the hard way, and you should too! just play conclave!", even though most people can't even get a match going

Do you guys have any idea how hard you tell on yourselves with all these "this game should never be anything but a power fantasy and that's why it shouldn't have PvP" screeds. Like are you capable of reading what you wrote, taking a step back from MUH POWER FANTASY and thinking how it comes across to people who've played any other shooter in the past 20 years. 

Again. Self-awareness. I weep for y'all, I truly do. 

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hace 16 minutos, Loxyen dijo:

E.g. on the pvx matter there are lots of requests that are asking to remove/replace Conclave with another pve mode that merely has a ranking list or similar as the only "pvp" element to it. We already have events and ranking lists for pve. Can't say I'd be against a pvx mode, but it should be implemented properly and I'd miss the pure pvp, especially when there is no reason to remove/replace it.

I wasnt reffering to that kind of ideas since I understand that changing a PvP mode for a PvE would make no sense at all, cant say I wouldnt like it but I understand those who are against.

hace 13 minutos, Sevek7 dijo:

For me personally, I think the current Conclave has huge potential but is extremely flawed due to design choices that make it way too easy for experienced players to dominate new players with basically zero risk. I'm definitely supportive of ways to seriously shrink the skill gap. Conclave is most fun when playing an even match, and so I see this kind of change as "slipping towards my fingers." 

But yeah, if they scrapped it and replaced it with something completely different... I would give it a go and try to have an open mind. However I grew up on arena shooters and think a racing game won't quite scratch the same itch that Conclave currently does for me.

I personally dont think it has the same potential as something like Grineer vs Corpus or such and I also think that the skill gap is a huge problem right now and thats why I think the best option would be an entire remake.

Also nothing important but I grew with FPS, arena shooters and racing games since other games such as Street Fighter or sport games were too boring for me but when I tried Lunaro I liked it so who knows, maybe DE can make you like something that you currently dont.

hace 10 minutos, Loxyen dijo:

We already had that with the current version. OG Conclave were nodes on the planets where you could play with your pve loadouts. The only balance restriction was a Conclave score limit where everything you used had its own rating.

Later DE scrapped that concept, detached it from pve (more or less.. still the same code but with multipliers) and rebuilt and rebalanced it. I can tell you that Conclave had its best balance state right before poe launched and the devs decided to stop the development. It wasn't dead either. You could literally play days through and always find matches.

Indeed, I remember the clan wars and the first time they introduced the Conclave we know today where you could still use the PvE mods lmao. Didnt played a lot back then but I would've loved to *memories from Tennocon 2017*

 

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24 minutes ago, rachjumper said:

conclave is literally a bad mode

Right now? Partially. Bugs are running rampant. But the thing is, the core mechanics are extremely good. Conclave could be at the tippy top of the high skill cap movement shooters, and that's not just me who says that. Both shroud and summit2g said that conclave would be AMAZING, if it had the support and upkeep it requires. We had pro/semipro players coming over from other movement based shooters saying that conclave could be amazing. Key word, could. People like you keep it down for no reason, enjoy your PvE content, I will enjoy my PvP content. 

Besides, I assume you say that without experiencing conclave properly and seeing all it has to offer. Disliking something is fine, but slamming it blindly and trying to burn it down without even understanding what it's all about? Bad. 

Live let live my man. 

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13 minutes ago, Loxyen said:

Why should someone who's enjoying a game go to another? You know thats a customer less for the devs?

oh man, warframe is going to get cancelled! 10 conclave players will stop playing! oh no!

14 minutes ago, Loxyen said:

You know that Conclave existed as one of the oldest game modes way before the movement rework? And that DE seperated the Conclave balance from pve balance so they could e.g. tie ehp to mobility as balance factors?

been here since closed beta bro, I remember the old dark sectors
unbalanced as hell but still better then current conclave

15 minutes ago, Loxyen said:

Before poe you literally could play around the clock if you wanted.

poe was four years ago.
I also shouldn't need a whole video and guide just to be able to get a pvp match, lmao

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It's true though. You need a full-on guide on how to even get matched with another living human being. That's absolutely hilarious.

How do you expect anyone to take Conclave seriously and with any dose of respect?

Stop fanatically guarding a corpse and let DE snip it, so they can come up with a way of fixing it in the future and making it into something others actually want to participate in.

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