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Change spawn of Dargyn Pilots or fix/modify Riven challange related to them.


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From what I can see, this problem is already going on for many years and it's one of the worst riven challenge to do - "Kill X Dargyn pilots before they hit the ground".

There are lots of threads about this and still nothing was done to fix/change this.

1. They are very rare enemies (too rare). You can waste even 15 minutes on Plains of Eidolon before you will find even a single Dargyn Pilots.

2. They are often being killed together with destroyed Tusk Dargyns.

3. If pilots it's being killed with Tusk Dargyns then it's not counted as being killed before hitting the ground. Not only they are rare enemies, but after finding him you can be robbed from the chance of killing him for challenge.

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This is something I would adore seeing a change to, even if they give us proper dedicated spawn locations - or guaranteed spawns over/around certain bases to simplify the challenge a little. The fact they aren't counted when they die alongside their Dargyn is also infuriating, makes no sense, and badly needs addressing.

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25 minutes ago, DreamerDream said:

1. They are very rare enemies (too rare). You can waste even 15 minutes on Plains of Eidolon before you will find even a single Dargyn Pilots.

They don't spawn at night. During the day I get tons of them

In addition, if your Riven says "Dargyns" instead of "Dargyn Pilots" you can go to the Assault mission in Kuva Fortress, a bunch of them usually spawn during the early mission when you need to burn down the giant door

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The only thing that needs changing is to make it clear that the pilot must not die with the dargyn. Maybe if it said "Kill X falling dargyn pilots before they hit the ground". I know there are ways to cheese this with abilities, but if you do it the "correct" way, it can be a challenge. You know, like it is supposed to be. Shoot the bottom of the dargyn with a weapon that doesn't have a ton of spread to avoid killing both at the same time. If your weapon has punch through, a lot of spread, or you're shooting at them when they're moving away, then the pilot is exposed and you're likely to hit them.

It shouldn't take "15 minutes" to find dargyns in the plains. As noted, they're only out during the day. Hop in your archwing (or k-drive I suppose) and zip around the plains and it should only take a minute or two at absolute most to come across pilots on the ground or have some spawn in the sky. You may also need to make sure your companion isn't going to obliterate any pilots milling around on the ground before they can take off.

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3 hours ago, DreamerDream said:

1. They are very rare enemies (too rare). You can waste even 15 minutes on Plains of Eidolon before you will find even a single Dargyn Pilots.

A pair of Dargyns with their pilots often spawns on the ground from time to time and it usually depends on distance you go from the previous spawn if they will spawn again or not.
Dargyn spawns are more common during the Day, both the landed and the flying ones. You can also poke some grineers to launch the reinforcement beacons and some times Dargyns will spawn.

3 hours ago, DreamerDream said:

2. They are often being killed together with destroyed Tusk Dargyns.

If you use a weapon with PunchThrough or some AoE effect they will get killed along with the craft.
I have seen people trying to use Nova to slow them which is not a very smart idea as the molecular Prime causes the craft to explode and kill the pilot too.

3 hours ago, DreamerDream said:

3. If pilots it's being killed with Tusk Dargyns then it's not counted as being killed before hitting the ground. Not only they are rare enemies, but after finding him you can be robbed from the chance of killing him for challenge.

Wut?

An easy trick for doing this Riven Challenge is to use either Zephyr or Titania, if you manage to get the pilots lifted by Zephyr's Tornados and shoot them it will count tho Titania is easier as you can use SpellBind to float the pilots off the ground then shoot them and it counts.

 

1 hour ago, kyori said:

So you haven't encounter the riven challenge "Kill X Dargyn pilots before they hit the ground while sliding"

I have gotten quite a few of these, it was practically impossible for me to do them before i learned the Titania trick.

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3 hours ago, TARINunit9 said:

They don't spawn at night.

They definitely do, but only very rarely as their ground spawns are pretty much replaced by Voms at night.

2 hours ago, Hobie-wan said:

It shouldn't take "15 minutes" to find dargyns in the plains. As noted, they're only out during the day.

Their spawns are random, both in-air and on-ground. It can very easily take 15mins to find them whether you check in one session or multiple after returning to Cetus. I am aware of the "common routes" used to patrol the plains with the intent of finding em, but that hasn't changed the fact that they do not always spawn. There needs to be a consistent spawn location/time and locking most of that particular spawn to daytime only seems odd to me.

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29 minutes ago, iPathos said:

locking most of that particular spawn to daytime only seems odd to me.

The Grineer sound the alarm at dusk and are scared of the "giant ghost tree monster" that roams at night, retreating back to their camps. It makes perfect sense.

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Use Equinox sleep on them, they stop dead in the air.

Bring a fast firing assault rifle without any fancy mods.

Shoot the ship with a single bullet.

Shoot the pilot as it falls.

There are a lot of Riven unlocks that suck more than this one and need to be changed first. I would, however, love to see this one go.

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52 minutes ago, Hobie-wan said:

The Grineer sound the alarm at dusk and are scared of the "giant ghost tree monster" that roams at night, retreating back to their camps. It makes perfect sense.

It would, if it was entirely locked to there. It is not, therefore that logic does not hold up.

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6 hours ago, Hobie-wan said:

It shouldn't take "15 minutes" to find dargyns in the plains

Agreed.

6 hours ago, Hobie-wan said:

it should only take a minute or two at absolute most to come across pilots on the ground or have some spawn in the sky

Agreed also.

But sadly, things don't always go the way they should. It can indeed take a while to find a dargyn. I've never timed it. (Why would I?) But I've flown the map from end to end without seeing one. (In the day, of course.)

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  • they are scattered across the Landscape as forced Spawns, often enough that in Combat you'll suddenly be getting attacked by a random Dargyn Pilot out of nowhere because he was parked over the Hill or something
    • as well as random air Spawns, mainly when the area is alerted.
  • Dargyns are, annoyingly, specifically setup so that it's easy to hijack them. if you shoot the top half of them, you'll hit the Pilot. you have to shoot towards the bottom half if you want to not Kill the Pilot.
  • technically the Dargyn Pilot only has to be not on the ground. if you lift them off the ground with, well, anything, that also counts.
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You can force a spawn either by doing a bounty (something I notice with the drone escort) or alert a group of Grineer and have them deploy their Tusk Seeker Drone. They have 3 charges before they self destruct and leaving a couple of Grineer alive to deploy another will help if you need more.

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53 minutes ago, NekroArts said:

You can force a spawn either by doing a bounty (something I notice with the drone escort) or alert a group of Grineer and have them deploy their Tusk Seeker Drone.

I've tried engaging the Grineer and seen them deploy the drones. I've gone from camp to camp doing this, remaining in each area for several minutes. If it forces dargyn to spawn, there must be some other condition required. I've tried avoiding being invisible, leaving the area and returning, being in archwing and being on the ground. Doesn't work for me.

I haven't tried doing a bounty, though. That might work.

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You can also force spawn them (in day at least) by finding a large long open area and picking a direction and staying on a straight path. While long open areas like using the crest of the hillside you use for the Sliding achievement work best, I find that as long as I stay moving on the ground in perfectly straight line works just fine even if I have to jump over a few obstacles.

Note that this method causes them to spawn (1 pair at a time) in a landed walking patrol state. Thus you might need to alert them and give them time to take off.

I tend to use the roll function as it gives time for them to spawn "in front of me" a ways. Probably about a quarter mile to half mile of rolls in a straight line (only turning around to reset) nets me anywhere between 1-3 spawns directly in that path.

 

Results may vary to some degree but just relax, kick back, get in the groove, and allow it to happen.

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15 hours ago, Hardwood said:

Use Equinox sleep on them, they stop dead in the air.

Bring a fast firing assault rifle without any fancy mods.

Shoot the ship with a single bullet.

Shoot the pilot as it falls.

There are a lot of Riven unlocks that suck more than this one and need to be changed first. I would, however, love to see this one go.

This is the thing.  None of the rivens are difficult because all of them can be cheesed.

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On 2021-09-04 at 12:41 AM, Hobie-wan said:

The only thing that needs changing is to make it clear that the pilot must not die with the dargyn. Maybe if it said "Kill X falling dargyn pilots before they hit the ground".

But that doesn't account for the lack of clarity regarding Warframe Abilities still working on them when they are already on the ground....

Should the Challenge Description mention this... Or should those abilities be nerfed so that it doesn't unlock the challenge anymore ? 😱

On 2021-09-04 at 1:00 AM, kyori said:

So you haven't encounter the riven challenge "Kill X Dargyn pilots before they hit the ground while sliding"

With a Bow.... On Steel Path....while Wearing all the Dragon Keys..... And no mods on any of your weapons 😱 !!!!

 

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Worst I've had is the "kill x dargyn pilots before they hit the ground while using a bow while aimgliding" thing filled the card with text. (to complete it i literally had to have a friend kill the dargyn and hope my aim was true when the pilot fell)

But back on topic, honestly with how much native punchthrough most weapons are being given I do now find this challenge exceedingly difficult to not just instakill the pilots even doing a straight shot through the dargyn body. A mechanics change would be lovely to just simply killing the dargyns or killing the pilots, while they're flying about. At least unless youre given any other modifiers there's ways to cheese it currently

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Yeah, it sucks.  I'm happy to burn some steel essence on a riven unveiler when this challenge pops up.

 

The spawns are inconsistent, even during the day.  And it's hard to get the pilots off their dargyns without killing them.  The spellbind trick (Titania 1) is a godsend, but it's still one of my least favorite riven challenges.

 

Kind of off topic, but isn't it sad how riven challenges haven't changed in... years?  Like riven challenges have no idea the other open worlds even exist.  I should be careful what I wish for, though.  I really don't want any challenges related to conservation.

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1 hour ago, sunderthefirmament said:

Like riven challenges have no idea the other open worlds even exist.  I should be careful what I wish for, though.  I really don't want any challenges related to conservation.

Hah, yeah.  And personally, Railjack riven challenges would will be a real letdown to me unless I suddenly discover some love for the game mode.

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