Saryns…

[(PSN)Reaper330011]

I run a mission and ask for people. 1 or 2 people says inv and boom. Got 1-2 saryns in the group. We run a mission, and then I’m just running around the map trying to get in 1 kill but before a single bullet reaches an enemy, they all die because of Saryn. I find it a bit annoying, because they show up all the time in Hydron. I say to the saryn(S) “Ok, me and the others will want kills and to test out our new gear, so don’t spam your kill-everybody-in-the-map abilities yet okay?” And they say “Ok”, and then start spamming every one of their abilities and in the end, me and my non-Saryn friends barely did anything, with 2 percent damage dealt, 6 kills combined, and the Saryn had like 800+ kills. Whenever a saryn joins, I have to message every squad mate to dash around the map very quickly and steal the energy orbs so the saryn doesn’t wipe the whole map off the face of the earth. Even more annoying when I’m trying to get a larvling. then a random saryn joins and I don’t get even get 3 kills. It gets extremely irritating when all you want to do is test the strength of your new warframe or gear against a certain level or get XP fast, and then a Saryn just melts the whole map. WHAT DO I DO ABOUT THIS AND WHY ON EARTH DO PEOPLE USE SARYNS THEN SPAM EVERY BUTTON??? 

[ghoti0315]

36分钟前 , (PSN)Reaper330011 说:

By nuke I literally mean, a nuke. Saryn’s ability reminds me of a real life nuke because of the body corrosion and stuff after their dear, and nobody nukes as powerful as her so she’s a special case tbh. Hmm…

I’ll try find a specific squad later.  haven’t tried yet, doubt it though tbh. 
 

 

I don’t dislike nukes I dislike nukes when they (no wait that sounds wrong)

I don’t dislike nukes, I just get annoyed at the nukers when they nuke in every unnecessary situation, which makes the situation worse and harder. It’s not as bad as some limbo players but a lot of nukers just… kill the brains of the whole squad and make people just leave out of boredom. When we need somebody to exterminate a platoon of high level heavy enemies, Who you gonna call? FactionBusters! Saryn, Ember, Mirage, etc are all professional at that and when they are needed I can really appreciate them, but when they just nuke, even when there’s nothing to nuke, it just makes you really annoyed and irritated.

I guess yes... Just dont go to places like hydron and ask people not to nuke. That is silly.

And if you are farming something else there arent really much saryn, maybe you see some if you are in an exterminate mission where you kill people as fast as possible.

Finding squads arent hard imo, unless you are pointlessly doing places like Metis (Rescue in Jupiter) for no reason. Most people I have seen don't bring saryn into most farming missions as well (RJ, void relics...). You just need some patience if you decide to form a squad. GL man

[(PSN)Reaper330011]

10 minutes ago, ghoti0315 said:

I guess yes... Just dont go to places like hydron and ask people not to nuke. That is silly.

And if you are farming something else there arent really much saryn, maybe you see some if you are in an exterminate mission where you kill people as fast as possible.

Finding squads arent hard imo, unless you are pointlessly doing places like Metis (Rescue in Jupiter) for no reason. Most people I have seen don't bring saryn into most farming missions as well (RJ, void relics...). You just need some patience if you decide to form a squad. GL man

👌 

[Aderahl]

On 2021-09-09 at 4:25 AM, (PSN)Reaper330011 said:

Yeah saryn won’t help much, but other frames will. ALOT, and speed up things more than a saryn ever could.

Yes, but actually no.

[(PSN)Reaper330011]

2 minutes ago, Aderahl said:

Yes, but actually no.

No? Doesn’t seem too good at the steel path/Arbitrations tbh

[(PSN)Reaper330011]

Just now, (PSN)Reaper330011 said:

No? Doesn’t seem too good at the steel path/Arbitrations tbh

In arbitrations, whenever there’s a wisp, things go 5x faster than normal, but saryn kinda slows things down in arbitration. 

[NoLife]

On 2021-09-07 at 11:18 PM, (PSN)Reaper330011 said:

I didn’t ask for HELP. I asked for people who wanna farm XP as well. It’s faster XP farm if we kill with our own gear, and saryn just overkill…

This is incorrect.

[NoLife]

On 2021-09-08 at 6:26 AM, (PSN)Reaper330011 said:

Me: I need to kill thrills to enrage my lich. You guys need to get rumours too so we’ll do it together and if it’s alright with you, I’ll do the thrall stabbing.

Thrall progress is shared. You never at any point needed to be the one doing the stabbing.

[(XBOX)Obi Wan Dandobi]

This is the weirdest forum post I've seen for a while. I've read through 7 pages of this stuff and still have no idea why OP is so angry.

[(PSN)Unstar]

19 hours ago, (PSN)Reaper330011 said:

some(most) saryn players I’ve played with do the following.

1. Barely touch the chat.

2. Don’t look at the objective.

3. BULLET JUMP EVERYWHERE AND SPAMMING EVERY BUTTON WITHOUT KNOWING WTH THEY ARE DOING. 

I get the impression that you're devolving into trolling, because now you're just making up stereotypes about players....stereotypes that don't even fit with your earlier arguments.

Ah yes, it really sucks to play with Saryn, because they're stealing all the kills...by spamming all the buttons without knowing what they're doing.  Yeah, this isn't a real situation.

Also you're on PSN, where nobody touches the chat.  Singling out Saryns for doing what literally everyone else is doing is pretty weak.

The more you post in this thread, the more you're exposing that you don't even have a coherent idea of why you dislike Saryn.  I'd recommend quitting before you dig yourself any deeper.

[(PSN)Reaper330011]

14 hours ago, NoLife said:

This is incorrect.

Mistake on my part. 
 

 

14 hours ago, NoLife said:

Thrall progress is shared. You never at any point needed to be the one doing the stabbing.

Did I not say I wanted to stab the thralls to ENRAGE MY LICH? I know progress is shared but if you don’t stab the thralls the Lich won’t get enraged then the lich will barely ever spawn.

 

10 hours ago, (PSN)Unstar said:

I get the impression that you're devolving into trolling, because now you're just making up stereotypes about players....stereotypes that don't even fit with your earlier arguments.

Ah yes, it really sucks to play with Saryn, because they're stealing all the kills...by spamming all the buttons without knowing what they're doing.  Yeah, this isn't a real situation.

Also you're on PSN, where nobody touches the chat.  Singling out Saryns for doing what literally everyone else is doing is pretty weak.

The more you post in this thread, the more you're exposing that you don't even have a coherent idea of why you dislike Saryn.  I'd recommend quitting before you dig yourself any deeper.

If you hit every ability without knowing when or where to use it in the correct situation, it’s pointless and will eventually get other players annoyed at you. 
 

what’s wrong with stealing kills? I don’t care about stealing kills I care when the mass slaughter of enemies has a affect that worsens things.  Take a Cetus bounty for example. It’s a capture bounty. Your on the last stage, and the bonus is “Capture the target without killing any other enemy”. Easy right? Not that hard, just dodge bullets, kill the target, then run away. Easy to do, better rewards. Your about to capture the target and get that last bonus, then one second later every enemy is dead. Their bodies are all corroded and evaporating. No bonus :( who was that one player who just couldn’t wait a few seconds before slaughtering everything? Oh right, that saryn player. 
 

another example (like I mentioned earlier) is a granum void. Everybody knows that you should use the xoris because if you take too long the spectres will combine and level up, so just use the xoris. Your squad goes into granum void, zenith void, and starts throwing xoris. Some spectres are dying even when a xoris isn’t hitting them, and the thing that is killing them takes too long so a bunch of higher level spectres spawn. It’s a corrosive/toxic status effect in them. Which player is trying to— oh yeah saryn.

 

No, most people (at least who I’ve played with) actually use the chat. If it’s too hot they clear the room or retreat then reply/say something in the chat. I’m singling out the saryn players who don’t, not every saryn. 

13 hours ago, (XBOX)Obi Wan Dandobi said:

This is the weirdest forum post I've seen for a while. I've read through 7 pages of this stuff and still have no idea why OP is so angry.

I am irritated because whenever a saryn joins the mission the player nearly always nukes no matter what the situation is.

I feel like I said something like this in previous messages… 

 

 

Nuke. Yes nuke, kill every enemy. It’s exterminate, it’s Defense, it’s a interception, so kill all the enemies. Make the mission go faster. Good.

Nuke, stop nuking please, your trying to nuke even where there’s no enemy to be nuked.

If there is a large group of heavy enemies, nuke then. Kill em, that’s 1 problem out of the way.

Nuke when there’s nothing to nuke, your wasting energy. Nuke when you can get more things/rewards if you don’t nuke, your loss. In a squad? The whole squads loss. 
 

Before you say 

“There’s tons of other nuker frames” I talk about saryn’s because they have the most efficient nuke. Cool range, very quick kills, mass slaughter, corrosion, toxin. It’s basically like a real life nuke. And why do we nuke? To kill. Why do we kill? To make things easier. What if mass slaughter makes things harder? Then don’t nuke.
 

[Sufferot]

14 hours ago, (XBOX)Obi Wan Dandobi said:

This is the weirdest forum post I've seen for a while. I've read through 7 pages of this stuff and still have no idea why OP is so angry.

in a nutshell - modern "player" feels entitled to alll the kills on the map and thinks that he can decide how others should play

 

40 minutes ago, (PSN)Reaper330011 said:

giant post that consists of literally not listening to anyone

Saryn is squishy, she requieres a player to move a lot, cause if they wont - they will die.

Wanna see me doing 75 on granum void without xorgis on a loki? step up your game.

Also - nuke frame doing nuking. Sounds like nothing is wrong and you are just as salty as it can get because they don't want to work the way you want?

[(PSN)Reaper330011]

12 minutes ago, Olaf_Silvermane said:

in a nutshell - modern "player" feels entitled to alll the kills on the map and thinks that he can decide how others should play

 

Saryn is squishy, she requieres a player to move a lot, cause if they wont - they will die.

Wanna see me doing 75 on granum void without xorgis on a loki? step up your game.

Also - nuke frame doing nuking. Sounds like nothing is wrong and you are just as salty as it can get because they don't want to work the way you want?

If you have a buff frame, buff your allies.

 

If you have a Defense frame, defend your allies and the objective.

 

if you have a tank frame, tank and lead the way.

 

If you have a nuke frame nuke the enemies. That is, if there are any enemies there. Don’t nuke a empty room just for the sake of being a nuker. Have an actual reason to do it, like why should frost create a snow globe if there’s nothing thst needs to be protected? 

 

“Don’t work the way you want”. Why do you nuke? To get rid of enemies.        The point of nuking is to slaughter enemies, but if there are no enemies to slaughter, if in slaughtering them to mess up the whole objective, then just don’t? For just 1 minute? Until the objective is complete?

[Sufferot]

5 minutes ago, (PSN)Reaper330011 said:

If you have a buff frame, buff your allies.

 

If you have a Defense frame, defend your allies and the objective.

 

if you have a tank frame, tank and lead the way.

 

If you have a nuke frame nuke the enemies. That is, if there are any enemies there. Don’t nuke a empty room just for the sake of being a nuker. Have an actual reason to do it, like why should frost create a snow globe if there’s nothing thst needs to be protected? 

 

“Don’t work the way you want”. Why do you nuke? To get rid of enemies.        The point of nuking is to slaughter enemies, but if there are no enemies to slaughter, if in slaughtering them to mess up the whole objective, then just don’t? For just 1 minute? Until the objective is complete?

I have a Trinity build that won't use EV and well. Also casts blessing only once pr, like, 40 secs. That build is from old times, still usable, literally can't die. Am I a buff frame?

I have an armor stripping frost, I will cast globe just to safely strip armor from whole room, also potentially destroying whole room in the process. Am I defensive frame?

I have a lavos with 1700hp, which clears enemies from 3 rooms away. Am I a tank frame?

Saryn requires to spam her 4 so 1 can keep spreading and keep the big damage number up. So yes she will nuke for the sake of nuking. If you don't understand that - farm her yourself, it's easy, also you will get some fun mods in the process. Also, before you will try to spit some other nonsense - build the thing you are complaining about yourself and try to use it.

[(PSN)Reaper330011]

2 hours ago, Olaf_Silvermane said:

I have a Trinity build that won't use EV and well. Also casts blessing only once pr, like, 40 secs. That build is from old times, still usable, literally can't die. Am I a buff frame?

I have an armor stripping frost, I will cast globe just to safely strip armor from whole room, also potentially destroying whole room in the process. Am I defensive frame?

I have a lavos with 1700hp, which clears enemies from 3 rooms away. Am I a tank frame?

Saryn requires to spam her 4 so 1 can keep spreading and keep the big damage number up. So yes she will nuke for the sake of nuking. If you don't understand that - farm her yourself, it's easy, also you will get some fun mods in the process. Also, before you will try to spit some other nonsense - build the thing you are complaining about yourself and try to use it.

Are you a buff frame? Yes, you don’t use the buffs, but since Trinity’s strength is buffing/support, she is a buff frame. Definition of buffing/support frame: A frame who can buff allies, support them, heal them, etc.

Are you a defensive frame? YES, strip armour, make everything easier to kill, he has a snow globe that has the potential to  keep a objective the safest then anything else could (excluding limbo, because limbo comes up on top of frost though, in my opinion). Definition of a defensive frame: A frame who can defend allies/objective extremely well. That’s frost.
 

Lavos. YOU JUST SAID you have 1700HP, how is that not the definition of a tanky frame? You kill enemies from a distance while your still durable, good then. Your still a tank even if your not gonna play like one.

Definition of a tank frame: (Do I even need to explain this one?) a frame that is extremely durable, with high health and armour.

 

Saryn: You still have to spam 4 even if your spending 10 minutes travelling towards where the enemies are? Your just wasting energy, and when players actually need a saryn, not enough energy orbs to use corrosive nuke. She’s a nuking frame, so nuke, but if your going to nuke can’t you actually nuke something? Like enemies? Instead of empty rooms?

[Sufferot]

10 minutes ago, (PSN)Reaper330011 said:

another post, that consists of nothing but ignorance

How i'm supposed to "buff" you, if I literally don't have EV, just cause I cant use it with such build? Helminth exists, different builds and playstyles exist. You are not the center of the universe, nobody going to play like you want. Also, said trinity is a definition of "how to tank literally anything", not your basic energy dispencer.

 

I can't and won't "defend" on such frost, cause then armorstrip is useless, cause I'm literally sitting on the objective. Why I can't play like I want, while still doing the objective, but my way?

 

Also, HP doesn't mean anything, lavos is status-inflicting nuke machine, enjoy. 1700 hp is there just so his 1 will make him unkillable. Never used lavos?

 

Also - saryn workflow. Toss 1, press 4, press 3. Kill anything if it survived the nuke and spore spreading. If you can't stand that - play solo. Nobody is going to play the game the way you want. Why?

[(PSN)Reaper330011]

49 minutes ago, Olaf_Silvermane said:

How i'm supposed to "buff" you, if I literally don't have EV, just cause I cant use it with such build? Helminth exists, different builds and playstyles exist. You are not the center of the universe, nobody going to play like you want. Also, said trinity is a definition of "how to tank literally anything", not your basic energy dispencer.

 

I can't and won't "defend" on such frost, cause then armorstrip is useless, cause I'm literally sitting on the objective. Why I can't play like I want, while still doing the objective, but my way?

 

Also, HP doesn't mean anything, lavos is status-inflicting nuke machine, enjoy. 1700 hp is there just so his 1 will make him unkillable. Never used lavos?

 

Also - saryn workflow. Toss 1, press 4, press 3. Kill anything if it survived the nuke and spore spreading. If you can't stand that - play solo. Nobody is going to play the game the way you want. Why?

“Nobody is going to play the game I want” Of course, but doesn’t it seem even remotely unreasonable to you if you just hit the nuke button until your energy is 0 and not kill anything, and when the squad is in a tight position and they need a nuke to get them out of it the saryn doesn’t have any energy to nuke the enemies? 
 

Frost is a defensive frame = he has the potential to defend a objective extremely well and keep it safe. He can do it. You modified him for armour strip, not Defense. But he can defend, and you can change your build to modify him for Defense instead, whereas take a frame like Excalibur, cannot be modded for Defense, or at least not as well as other frames.

 

The number 1 trait of a tank is being extremely durable. If your unkillable, then there you are. That’s a tank. You can nuke as well? Good, your a tank and a nuker.

 

Trinity’s first ability literally heals everybody, and ev restores energy. Helminth her first, you still have energy restoration and blessing. Don’t want to use it? That’s how you play. Can trinity do it? Yes. She can do it, so she’s a buff frame.

[Sufferot]

25 minutes ago, (PSN)Reaper330011 said:

“Nobody is going to play the game I want” Of course, but doesn’t it seem even remotely unreasonable to you if you just hit the nuke button until your energy is 0 and not kill anything, and when the squad is in a tight position and they need a nuke to get them out of it the saryn doesn’t have any energy to nuke the enemies? 
 

Frost is a defensive frame = he has the potential to defend a objective extremely well and keep it safe.

 

The number 1 trait of a tank is being extremely durable. If your unkillable, then there you are. That’s a tank. You can nuke as well? Good, your a tank and a nuker.

 

Trinity’s first ability literally heals everybody, and ev restores energy. Helminth her first, you still have energy restoration and blessing. Don’t want to use it? That’s how you play. Can trinity do it? Yes. She can do it, so she’s a buff frame.

Cause I still will have energy via energise, zenuric, pizzas? I mean, whats your game experience, playtime and MR, if you think that you can actually run out of energy?

 

I can do a better job at defending it by actually being usefull and not just placing my icy balls on the objective, as some random guy on the internet tries to force me to do. Every frame has a potential to defend objective, if a frame has hard CC it doesn't mean that it is defensive. Also, frost is pretty poopy when it comes to defenses, khora, limbo, vauban do a better job at that. So as Saryn btw, by literally eliminating everything in it's range, which is still better defenses than icy ball of "hey you moved 1mm away from me, you die now".

 

Number 1 of a tank - being able to CC as much people as possible while being able to survive heavy hits. Again - a lot of frames fall in that category. If you want to talk about "standing in damage and not giving a flying ..." well, than there is only like 2 frames that can do that. Still, they won't, cause why the hell I need to stand there, while I can be usefull and do actuall things?

 

No I won't, cause for EV to be usefull you need negative duration. Same for her 1. Which renders her 3 and 4 useless outside of a panic button. And playing as a mobile dispencer is boring, again. Ever heard of gloom? Better, funnier and more usefull heal than 2 out of 4 Trin's skills.

 

In a nutshell - there is no actual "roles" i WF. Some frames are better at one thing, some at another. But any frame can be anything. Exept loki. Loki is a CC god, you can't be anything else. You can't force people to play like you want and not to pick what they want to play. You don't like it? Play solo, or in premade groups. You don't want? Man up and play the game.

[(PSN)Reaper330011]

37 minutes ago, Olaf_Silvermane said:

Cause I still will have energy via energise, zenuric, pizzas? I mean, whats your game experience, playtime and MR, if you think that you can actually run out of energy?

 

I can do a better job at defending it by actually being usefull and not just placing my icy balls on the objective, as some random guy on the internet tries to force me to do. Every frame has a potential to defend objective, if a frame has hard CC it doesn't mean that it is defensive. Also, frost is pretty poopy when it comes to defenses, khora, limbo, vauban do a better job at that. So as Saryn btw, by literally eliminating everything in it's range, which is still better defenses than icy ball of "hey you moved 1mm away from me, you die now".

 

Number 1 of a tank - being able to CC as much people as possible while being able to survive heavy hits. Again - a lot of frames fall in that category. If you want to talk about "standing in damage and not giving a flying ..." well, than there is only like 2 frames that can do that. Still, they won't, cause why the hell I need to stand there, while I can be usefull and do actuall things?

 

No I won't, cause for EV to be usefull you need negative duration. Same for her 1. Which renders her 3 and 4 useless outside of a panic button. And playing as a mobile dispencer is boring, again. Ever heard of gloom? Better, funnier and more usefull heal than 2 out of 4 Trin's skills.

 

In a nutshell - there is no actual "roles" i WF. Some frames are better at one thing, some at another. But any frame can be anything. Exept loki. Loki is a CC god, you can't be anything else. You can't force people to play like you want and not to pick what they want to play. You don't like it? Play solo, or in premade groups. You don't want? Man up and play the game.

Then why even mention trinity? I use sevagoth all the time and compared to trinity I agree gloom is much better.

No frame has 1 role yes, but every frame is limited to a certain amount. For example, limbo use to be a defender, nuker, and assassin. Now he can’t be nuked anymore (well, you can, but it’s really weak)so he’s limited towards defending, assassinating, saving you from dying, imprisoning enemies until the end of time with rift surge, and mass energy regeneration. A lot right? Well, it’s not all, he’s still limited to something, even if it’s not a single role. A frame’s limits mostly depends on its abilities, not it’s stats. For example, Nekros (prime preferably). He’s a bit squishy with his stats, and he can’t do EVERYTHING extremely well, but this is what he can do: Very good cc, ragdolling a priority target, (smaller version of terrify with less energy cost, it’s weak but has its uses), make himself immortal by spamming desecrate, farm resources twice as fast as any frame (even better with pilfering hydroid), deal some decent damage and crowd control with shadows of the dead, and heal himself with his passive. He’s a bit of a tank, he’s the best resource farmer, has the ability to make himself immortal, defends very well with terrify and shadows, and yeah that’s about it.

A frame can be tons of things, and most of the frames can cover nearly all content, and some are extremely good at certain things, some at others, they can be anything and do anything but the efficiency of how it is done differs between other frames. 
 

you can be more useful than just standing in a snow globe yes, but frost can protect the objective better than nothing at all. Just throw a snow globe on top of it, then move on, armour strip and mow down the enemies with your guns (or slice the, up with melee).

i mean, some frames can just stand there but yeah your just being durable and not much else. A tank should be durable, take heavy hits, knock a whole through enemies, etc. 1700hp is being durable, which is a trait of the tank. Being able to survive heavy hits will give you opportunities to shred the enemy without having to dodge too much, carrying when the squad is low, and yeah that’s what I would consider being a tank. 
 

when you have a squad and need to do multiple things, you should decide who does what, and who will be more efficient at what. Like for example in arbitration’s, you have a Limbo, a Chroma, a Rhino, and a Ember. It’s Defense. Since limbo can banish the operative, you could say that he would be most efficient for a protector, escort, since he is pretty squishy, would just hide in the rift and keep banishing the operative. Rhino has 1 ability that can buff you, but the rest of his abilities can be used to attack, so he should be 1 of the players killing the majority of the enemies. Ember also has plenty of good attack abilities so the ember player should also be a attacker. Chroma is a good buffer that can multiply your damage, (will work nice with rhino) increase your shields, your health, your armour, and more, so he should be in between rhino and ember, buffing them so they can do things easier. Based on the frames’ capabilities, this is what I would consider efficient, and would make things easier right? 
 

That is, as you say, if the squad agrees to it. The point of a game is to have fun, and if this is efficient but not fun, the squad will just be brain dead the whole time. Also like you said, the whole squad must agree to it, and agree to their roles. If they don’t then let em be, you and the other players (if some agree) can do what you think is efficient and the other guy does his own stuff.

B u t, without disrupting anything. 
if for example the limbo disagreed, and one of the other frames escorted the operative, but the limbo, trying to kill everything, is spamming Catalysm, stasis, banish, and rift surge, which will enable him to steal all the kills (which, if 1 person does it, will take longer), freeze the squad’s bullets, (cause of stasis), keep all the enemies in rift  so everybody has to spam abilities to kill them or wait until either limbo kills them all or the rift surge timer runs out (since abilities are cross plain). 
 

While limbo is the most ally offensive, other frames can do this too, hence why sometimes I attempt to ask everybody in the squad what they wanna do so nobody is running around, being disruptive, and spamming abilities for no reason. 

Not all Saryns do this, but I am talking about the ones who DO, like the examples I mentioned earlier, sometimes saryns make the mission harder, ruin a bonus, or make the missions longer even when it can be ended right then and there.

 

[Sufferot]

27 minutes ago, (PSN)Reaper330011 said:

another wall of nonsence

 

Here how it works in reality.

 

I didn't dropped a ball on the objective, I tossed in energy regen from zenuric, pressed 4 a dosen of times. Mission finished, I made it twice as fast as if I would be running around with guns or melee (don't remind me that kuva and tenet weaps exist). Why should I run around in circles like a headless chicken while trying to use something not as fast, if we are talking about efficiency? Not counting that for SP/arbies I won't take frost to a place, where I need to defend something.

 

Your example group will work better without eachother. Limbo tossing max range + duration cataclysm on the map with rift surge augment - hey, now he is superchrged and can deal all of that alone. Chroma literally doesn't need anyone, and you need to hug him to actually get a buff (if he actually building properly for a vex armor, which he should anyway), so he is better off to a place, where he will jsut sit with his bramma/ogris and destroy everthing on sight. Rhino? Hey, did you know that building for group roar is not what considered good for a solo rhino? you, again, will need to hug him to get into range. Ember here is literally a fodder, cause, well, she doesn't work well in arbies cause of drones. Also, limbo's statis doesn't stop bullets for quite a while.

So what you will do, if I will take lavos and just spam 2-4-3 all the time? You won't be able to kill anything up to a SP, while I will be faster, tankier and will drink coffee in the process? Why I should stop doing that cause mission takes 3 mins with me doing that, instead of 10?

 

So, again, you didn't answered on my question about MR, playtime and such.

 

[Nira]

All I'd say is, try bringing Saryn yourself, to Hydron or wherever you go to grind XP, and see what it's like.

"Contempt prior to investigation" is a real and common thing - I'm guilty of it myself.

 

[Rawbeard]

OP asks for help. OP gets help. OP is angry for getting help.

[Digressive]

locking thread as it's not going anywhere at this point.