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I took her o Requiem/Kuva fissure, Exterminate. No forma. No extreme build (I don't remember if I had ~50% strength or not) - everything <= 150%. I've been doing just fine. I've been using her 1 & 3. And a gun, kuva nukor. K.Nukor might be one of more powerful gear from my setup but probably nothing incredible.

I've been doing fine. I heard they are balancing stuffs for normal (not sp) levels. With some work/forma I can see it doing fine for such content. Of course some stuffs will be harder and some will be easier.

If it can beat such levels do you think DE is ok with releasing such frames despite frames having lot of "bad stuffs"? It strucks me with Yareli but Sevagoth has a lot of bad stuffs to.

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I think they would have left her as weak as her launch if people didn't complain. DE always shows new frames in starchart levels, so it looks like they only think about how good is she up to level 40 enemies.

Ability synergy is another topic, but it seems they aren't concerned with that feedback.

I still won't use her based on the clunky k- drive use in small rooms and low ceilings. Some people still like her... some don't. I got 40+ other frames to play with.

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1 hour ago, quxier said:

I took her o Requiem/Kuva fissure, Exterminate. No forma. No extreme build (I don't remember if I had ~50% strength or not) - everything <= 150%. I've been doing just fine. I've been using her 1 & 3. And a gun, kuva nukor. K.Nukor might be one of more powerful gear from my setup but probably nothing incredible.

I've been doing fine. I heard they are balancing stuffs for normal (not sp) levels. With some work/forma I can see it doing fine for such content. Of course some stuffs will be harder and some will be easier.

If it can beat such levels do you think DE is ok with releasing such frames despite frames having lot of "bad stuffs"? It strucks me with Yareli but Sevagoth has a lot of bad stuffs to.

Sevagoth squishy, but I like his whole kit.

Sevagoth 1, Reap, (Kind of weak tbh) sends his shadow outward and attacks enemies, shadow position can be controlled by where you aim your gun. 
sevagoth 2, Desth seed. It has true damage, which ignores all damage reductions (Very good ability in my opinion) and combined with reap you can detonate a whole platoon.

sevagoth 3, slow down a large amount of enemies and you and your allies get life steal from it.

sevagoth 4, become a shadow. Sevagoth is immortal during this time and if shadow dies it won’t affect the health of sevagoth, but the longer it is used the more health thst is restored to sevagoth once the shadow is gone. 
shadow 1, embrace, pulls a bunch of enemies together (Like nidus 2, which is a decent ability). 
shadow 2, you can heal yourself by eating somebody’s soul.

shadow 3,Death harvest, increase the duration of which the shadow Will last.

Shadow 4. Reunite. 
you can mod sevagoth, the shadow, and the shadow’s weapon. Needs tons of forma but overall he’s very good. A bit squishy, but his passive basically makes him immortal as with the passive you can eat 5 people and come back to life.

 

Sevagoth is just squishy but he really makes up for it with his usefulness.

Yareli is just… well in my opinion I’d say she’s much worse than sevagoth.

 

Sevagoth also makes his secondsry, epitaph more powerful when he equips it, so that’s another bonus.

 

I mean, do we really need more OP frames? We got Mesa, who can do insane damage and kill everything really fast, we got saryn, who can melt a whole map in a second, we got gara, who can nuke with her glass shields, we got tons of really good frames, and I don’t really think we need more op frames. 

 

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5 minutes ago, (PSN)Reaper330011 said:

Sevagoth squishy, but I like his whole kit.

 

Yeah Sevagoth is supposed to be squishy which plays well into Shadow being tanky. I actually really love the duality between the two.

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Just now, (PSN)Reaper330011 said:

He’s already tanky without his shadow, because of his passive and life steal.

You said he is squishy above... I was agreeing with you. Now you're disagreeing and saying he is tanky? 

Well, I find the sevagoth half of his kit far squishier than the shadow form. Especially if you build for big-slow. 

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5 minutes ago, Leqesai said:

You said he is squishy above... I was agreeing with you. Now you're disagreeing and saying he is tanky? 

Well, I find the sevagoth half of his kit far squishier than the shadow form. Especially if you build for big-slow. 

Sevagoth as a warframe is squishy, but if you count his passive and 3rd he’s quite tanky is what I mean. Your not wrong, he dies quick bbt he doesn’t go out that easily because he has a chance to heal and be immortal, and the shadow can heal him too.

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29 minutes ago, Deminisis said:

DE always shows new frames in starchart levels, so it looks like they only think about how good is she up to level 40 enemies. (...) I still won't use her based on the clunky k- drive use in small rooms and low ceilings.

Worth noting is that I've never seen DE show off Yareli in any tileset with low ceiling or small rooms either. The overarching mentality seems to be "pretend the problems don't exist and work on New War".

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2 minutes ago, Perfectly_Framed_Waifu said:

Worth noting is that I've never seen DE show off Yareli in any tileset with low ceiling or small rooms either. The overarching mentality seems to be "pretend the problems don't exist and work on New War".

Yup. I agree 100%

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7 minutes ago, Perfectly_Framed_Waifu said:

Worth noting is that I've never seen DE show off Yareli in any tileset with low ceiling or small rooms either. The overarching mentality seems to be "pretend the problems don't exist and work on New War".

She was shown off in a stream on the Void Interception tile, which has pretty high ceilings.  But even there I saw Reb get stuck under stairs and things.  Not a good look.

 

I was thinking that she's been the worst release in recent memory.  Some people compared her to launch state Xaku, but I think a better comparison would be launch state Bonewidow.  She arrived completely undertuned and didn't have any reason for existing besides "variety" because Voidrig could do everything she could do better. and he came out before her.  She's in a better place now, but I still don't bother with her.

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I feel like DE will mainly design for a thing to be able to complete tasks set before it. I don't have Yareli yet, but it sounds like she can do most content, period. Whether she does it amazingly efficiently compared to others I expect is secondary concern, since that's bumping up against metas like AoE and Mesa and certain mod combinations, metas that are sort of infamous for turning the game off

 

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3 minutes ago, (NSW)Greybones said:

I don't have Yareli yet, but it sounds like she can do most content, period.

That's an extremely low bar, given any Warframe can clear all content as long as they aren't given a troll passive that drops weapon damage to 0 or anything to make them unusable.

A Warframe being able to clear content isn't an accomplishment or praise worthy. DE may as well just release Warframes that are purely cosmetic if they aren't going to try.

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7 minutes ago, (NSW)Greybones said:

I feel like DE will mainly design for a thing to be able to complete tasks set before it. I don't have Yareli yet, but it sounds like she can do most content, period. Whether she does it amazingly efficiently compared to others I expect is secondary concern, since that's bumping up against metas like AoE and Mesa and certain mod combinations, metas that are sort of infamous for turning the game off

 

I’m not allowed to give to much criticism on Yareli, since I haven’t used her, but I’ve watched tons of different Yareli players, and read reviews about her, she’s not that great.

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Just now, Yamazuki said:

 

That's an extremely low bar, given any Warframe can clear all content as long as they aren't given a troll passive that drops weapon damage to 0 or anything to make them unusable.

A Warframe being able to clear content isn't an accomplishment or praise worthy. DE may as well just release Warframes that are purely cosmetic if they aren't going to try.

Conversely, according to some players, a Warframe needs to turn the game off before it's of value. I'll take the low bar of "Can clear content" over the alternative any day

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3 minutes ago, (PSN)Reaper330011 said:

I’m not allowed to give to much criticism on Yareli, since I haven’t used her, but I’ve watched tons of different Yareli players, and read reviews about her, she’s not that great.

I'll use her myself and make my own judgement. I don't exactly trust the opinions of the Warframe community for much of anything except "Here's how to do a thing easily"

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Honestly , I don't think anyone at DE cares about yareli and don't really want to bother with it.

it was maybe one guys pet project to have a "cute surfer chick" checklist tick and everyone else just went along cause of some reason.

I don't expect any further changes to her.

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I'm sure they think she's fine. And numerically, now she probably is. My build, which is zero Forma and basically just some health and Strength, has 11k HP on Merulina and now puts out pretty respectable ~1k Slash procs. Her 1 is a good spammy CC, and her 4 does OK as long as stuff isn't armored - which is really just another example of how messed up Armor scaling is. Numerically, she's good.

But mechanically, she's still trash. The numbers are good but they don't work right. Merulina's health means nothing when it doesn't benefit from your armor or DR. There's no synergy between her 1/2/4. Her 4 could be a cool place-and-detonate-later ability like a mix of Nezha and Khora and Vauban, but instead it's weak damage and weak CC. She's a spammy caster that can't generate energy on her own, which she could do if only Merulina was moddable. But it's not, so not only can the K-Drive frame not use her Exalted K-Drive to generate energy which would be very viable , the K-Drive frame's Exalted K-Drive is also slower than a regular K-Drive too. Plus it takes away your primary. And her new board dash, which is neat but ought to be treated like a bullet jump since that's what it really is, isn't available on regular K-Drives so instead of elevating both Yareli and regular K-Drives they've instead chosen to do nothing. 🤦‍♀️

If her numbers were just used right she'd be a really fun, solid frame.

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21 minutes ago, 0_The_F00l said:

Honestly , I don't think anyone at DE cares about yareli and don't really want to bother with it.

it was maybe one guys pet project to have a "cute surfer chick" checklist tick and everyone else just went along cause of some reason.

I don't expect any further changes to her.

Your probably right but you never know, actually.

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