New war is coming and Some Frames really really need some tweaks before it goes on

[Tsoe]

Well ofc i gonna talk of Excalibur being a 1 trick Poney

 

as the poster boy of the game he shouldnt be as boring as he is now

His skill set have 0 synergie , he have no significant passive ,

Radial javelin been nerfed twice and it is now the useless skill we know now

 

it used to be great

if you had 1 ennemie in front of you all javelin were aiming for it buffing the damage , the animation had a sense at that time

 

After that Radial javelin been nerfed twice and didnt changed since last 2015 nerf

 

 

 

now its a skill that hit max 12 ennemies with low damage , slow animation high energy cost , the skill is even worst than the game came out , its crazy

 

the game changed we have open worlds , steel path , sortie etc....  how come some frames did not evolved as well even more the poster frame excalibur...

 

seem like nyx gonna have her buff but well

 

what about the others?

_inaros ; most boring frame of the game , he have literally no usefull skills

Ash shuriken l? Ash smoke bomb ? ASh teleport ?

 

feel free to post the frames that need reworks and buff

 

I really love the game but i still dont get why gameplay of some fframe is forgoten like that

HEllminth system was suposed to be a way to collect data to change the less used skills...

Would be great to see thoose date and know if DE have any plan or if hellminth was really made to bring a ressource sink bandaid

 

 

[(PSN)Madurai-Prime]

Is this a joke lol? 

I got outclassed in every way by a stock Excalibur in an hour long steel path Mot run. 

Slow animation....warframe has very few slow animations. It's one setback for a good all around frame. Do it while airborne or something.

Nyx getting a buff? Did you read what she's getting? Not gonna change much.

 

[Jarriaga]

5 minutes ago, (PSN)Madurai-Prime said:

I got outclassed in every way by a stock Excalibur in an hour long steel path Mot run. 

 

Unless that Excalibur was only using Slash Dash and Radial Javelin you're just making OP's point: He's a one trick pony. He's Exalted Blade with legs and nothing more.

And if that Excal was somehow only using Slash Dash and Radial Javelin, I will then need to check on your build to verify if you were not intentionally gimping yourself or "experimenting".

And if all of that checks out I'd like to know who that Excal player was so they can become my mentor, because they are clearly in another level and I have zero knowledge of the game compared to them.

[(PSN)Unstar]

13 minutes ago, Tsoe said:

Well ofc i gonna talk of Excalibur being a 1 trick Poney

Like half of all Warframes are one-trick ponies, though...and many of those one-trick ponies define the meta.

[(PSN)ErydisTheLucario]

5 minutes ago, (PSN)Madurai-Prime said:

Is this a joke lol? 

I got outclassed in every way by a stock Excalibur in an hour long steel path Mot run. 

Slow animation....warframe has very few slow animations. It's one setback for a good all around frame. Do it while airborne or something.

Nyx getting a buff? Did you read what she's getting? Not gonna change much.

 

Exactly what I was thinking. I never thought someone would think Excal was either boring to play or weak.

[(PSN)Madurai-Prime]

20 minutes ago, Jarriaga said:

Unless that Excalibur was only using Slash Dash and Radial Javelin you're just making OP's point: He's a one trick pony. He's Exalted Blade with legs and nothing more.

And if that Excal was somehow only using Slash Dash and Radial Javelin, I will then need to check on your build to verify if you were not intentionally gimping yourself or "experimenting".

And if all of that checks out I'd like to know who that Excal player was so they can become my mentor, because they are clearly in another level and I have zero knowledge of the game compared to them.

He definitely was probably using the Javelin mod with a zaw because I saw the projectiles and he was bullet dashing and hopping around like a jumping bean.

 

[Hypernaut1]

Only change Excalibur needs is too make RJ into a buff or debuff without an assignment. With the RJ augment, there's nothing wrong with Excalibur. 

[BiancaRoughfin]

I agree some frames need improvement, not just Excalibur.

26 minutes ago, (PSN)ErydisTheLucario said:

Exactly what I was thinking. I never thought someone would think Excal was either boring to play or weak.

You, read this:

29 minutes ago, Jarriaga said:

Unless that Excalibur was only using Slash Dash and Radial Javelin you're just making OP's point: He's a one trick pony. He's Exalted Blade with legs and nothing more.

His Slash Dash is mediocre compared to all other 1st abilities, it has absolutely no Synergy nor scaling be it with his equipped Melee or enemy level. Its formula has remained the same since the game`s early days. It doesnt even serve as a mobility skill for that matter.

His Radial Javelin was his 4th ability long ago and at that time it was "Press-To-Clean" map or room.

Radial Javelin has suffered major nerfs and like Slash Dash it has absolutely no Synergies or scaling.

27 minutes ago, (PSN)Unstar said:

Like half of all Warframes are one-trick ponies, though...and many of those one-trick ponies define the meta.

Which is why i hate Meta, consider Meta gear low effort and meta players unskilled.

6 minutes ago, (PSN)Madurai-Prime said:

He definitely was probably using the Javelin mod with a zaw because I saw the projectiles and he was bullet dashing and hopping around like a jumping bean.

That doesnt make the skill or frame useful because it relies on a specific weapon type/arcane to take advantage of. The frame`s skills have to be reliable in any mission type and against most enemy types without the need of any external benefit.

[Flannoit]

35 minutes ago, (PSN)ErydisTheLucario said:

Exactly what I was thinking. I never thought someone would think Excal was either boring to play or weak.

I think he's a bit boring, but definitely not weak. Reg excal is already a god among frames in most aspects, and Umbra even moreso.

[(PSN)Madurai-Prime]

9 minutes ago, BiancaRoughfin said:

I agree some frames need improvement, not just Excalibur.

You, read this:

His Slash Dash is mediocre compared to all other 1st abilities, it has absolutely no Synergy nor scaling be it with his equipped Melee or enemy level. Its formula has remained the same since the game`s early days. It doesnt even serve as a mobility skill for that matter.

His Radial Javelin was his 4th ability long ago and at that time it was "Press-To-Clean" map or room.

Radial Javelin has suffered major nerfs and like Slash Dash it has absolutely no Synergies or scaling.

Which is why i hate Meta, consider Meta gear low effort and meta players unskilled.

That doesnt make the skill or frame useful because it relies on a specific weapon type/arcane to take advantage of. The frame`s skills have to be reliable in any mission type and against most enemy types without the need of any external benefit.

External benefits are a part of every game.....they're called "buffs". Some more "external benefits" were released with steel path honors and everyone loves em.....Why would a frame or gun or sword be good without buffs or debuffs? That's silly. 

Still though, you can go ahead and type "excalibur level cap" in youtube and see 2 entirely separate methods.....one using only exalted blade, and another using finishers and invis with a destresza. 

[bad4youLT]

Is this post serious ?

Excalibur has only one bad ability and the rest are great . His first has augment that lets you build up combo meter fast , not to mention that it also benefits his exalted blade . Radial blind is great CC ability and Umbra version strips sentient damage resistances .

Exalted blade while not the top melee weapon it does come with benefit of being a range weapon thanks to energy waves shoots out and it damage does benefits from combo better. 

And finally you can helminth other frames abilities into him to push even further beyond .

To me it looks like someone needs to learn how to properly use our poster boy .

[Tsoe]

21 minutes ago, (PSN)Madurai-Prime said:

External benefits are a part of every game.....they're called "buffs". Some more "external benefits" were released with steel path honors and everyone loves em.....Why would a frame or gun or sword be good without buffs or debuffs? That's silly. 

Still though, you can go ahead and type "excalibur level cap" in youtube and see 2 entirely separate methods.....one using only exalted blade, and another using finishers and invis with a destresza. 

well , all frames can use finisher and invisi with a destresza...

Exalted blade is a cool and powerfull spammy no brain skill

 

I never said excal  was weak

 

Also ofc i also talk about inaros and ash and i imply some other frames are like that

 

you can wreck any lvl with inaros but seriously its not fun to play him

 

just like chroma is boring Vex armor monster the other skills being more or less useless outside low lvl

spectral scream can be usefull for cc and prime ennemies for CO though now that it ave reworked but now it have useless augment...

 

 

I just wonder why DE dont have a dedicated team to update FRames and lvl up the overall gameplay

[Tsoe]

11 minutes ago, bad4youLT said:

Is this post serious ?

Excalibur has only one bad ability and the rest are great . His first has augment that lets you build up combo meter fast , not to mention that it also benefits his exalted blade . Radial blind is great CC ability and Umbra version strips sentient damage resistances .

Exalted blade while not the top melee weapon it does come with benefit of being a range weapon thanks to energy waves shoots out and it damage does benefits from combo better. 

And finally you can helminth other frames abilities into him to push even further beyond .

To me it looks like someone needs to learn how to properly use our poster boy .

 i can go solo 1h mot SP with Gloom excalibur for sure....

that's not my point , i am  really talking about fun

 

also i am not talking of Umbra , he do have a passive , his radial blind is special (his RJ is still a joke though)

 

My fault is to want a game that allow you to benefit from all skills at any lvl

 

Cause indeed you can slap health conversion and dispensary/gloom/etc  on any frame take a good weapon and win the game

But warframe is all about space ninja using special skills , so ofc i would like thoose skills to be usefull

[(PSN)Madurai-Prime]

7 minutes ago, Tsoe said:

well , all frames can use finisher and invisi with a destresza...

Exalted blade is a cool and powerfull spammy no brain skill

 

I never said excal  was weak

 

Also ofc i also talk about inaros and ash and i imply some other frames are like that

 

you can wreck any lvl with inaros but seriously its not fun to play him

 

just like chroma is boring Vex armor monster the other skills being more or less useless outside low lvl

spectral scream can be usefull for cc and prime ennemies for CO though now that it ave reworked but now it have useless augment...

 

 

I just wonder why DE dont have a dedicated team to update FRames and lvl up the overall gameplay

They don't have a dedicated team because posts like this are empty platitudes. 

What most likely happens is people just get bored and "need something" to make what they've been doing for 5 years "feel different", when others already know you're gonna get bored of whatever new shiny feature is added anyway. 

There's not some magic wand you can wave that's gonna make 20 separate frames "all of a sudden" amazing and engaging to play. This is why these threads never offer any actual detail or nuance, because some don't even know what they want, they just know how to yell into a void "make this frame do something different...because it just should."

 

[(PSN)Unstar]

1 hour ago, BiancaRoughfin said:

Which is why i hate Meta, consider Meta gear low effort and meta players unskilled.

I mean, I certainly wasn't praising Warframe's meta, but it seems a bit negative to assume ungenerous things about people just because they're using effective tools. Working hard and working smart are both viable solutions to the game's problems.

Regardless, my intention was to point out that it was a bit odd of OP to single out Excalibur as a 1-trick pony who needs work when you could apply that same criticism to half the roster.

[(PSN)robotwars7]

2 hours ago, Tsoe said:

His skill set have 0 synergie , he have no significant passive ,

lol what? all the synergy you need is "blind enemy then stab with Exalted blade", that literally kills almost anything at any level due to how how finisher damage scales. his passive is significant if you use Swords, IIRC it's a 10% additional damage buff on top of combo scaling, mods etc.

I'll give you Inaros being boring, but playing him in smaller doses is usually fine. Ash needs a few minor tweaks, mostly to his 4 (and no, you can't have the old bladestorm back). 

[Joezone619]

I just hope they're gonna look at valkyr while developing her deluxe. (and i hope that gross jacket is toggleable)

[stormy505]

1 hour ago, BiancaRoughfin said:

unskilled

Imagine thinking skill matters in Warframe. This game is braindead easy, there's nothing wrong with that, but getting an ego from having high "skill" in Warframe just makes you look stupid.

[(XBOX)Cram Duahcim]

Seriously? 

Your talking about warframe tweaks when we're getting to play as Kahl or Teshin? 🤣

Not to mention Excalibur is among the Starter warframes. Same with Umbra....just a better starter frame. 

5 hours ago, stormy505 said:

Imagine thinking skill matters in Warframe. This game is braindead easy, there's nothing wrong with that, but getting an ego from having high "skill" in Warframe just makes you look stupid.

EXACTLY! I just love how MR30s walk around with this ego when it literally boils down to leveling hundreds of "MR Fodder" items.

Congratulations you used lots of S$@T 

Besides it's not like the Hemlith system exists. Which means an extremely high percentage of players going into this quest.....are likely using a warframe that engaged in this system and have a warframe in the playstyle they like/want.

There's some warframes that still need work. And it's still clear DE wants to do it (Nyx is getting some QoA soon) 

But with the Hemlith system: you can still fix some issues in a fun way.

 

So, No....DE doesn't need to do QoA on alot of frames before the New War. And I'd rather they don't until after New War comes. It's not like we've been waiting for a while already. 

[0_The_F00l]

I don't think Excalibur is a one trick pony, people confuse one trick ponies and specialised frames at times.

But he is baseline in terms of power and utility. And can get specialised depending on how you choose to build him.

The RJ is probably the one that has least effect after reaching a certain level , but its augment can act as a significant buff.

The SD is probably next and again , can act as a buff for a more melee focus build.

Radial blind I don't think anyone has a problem with (the ability to do finishers opens up even more gameplay options with the right arcanes and mods) 

And exalted blade is his best ability for damage.

It is obvious he is best for melee builds and trying to make him into a gun frame will just result in poor returns.

 

[Tsoe]

5 hours ago, (XBOX)Cram Duahcim said:

Seriously? 

Your talking about warframe tweaks when we're getting to play as Kahl or Teshin? 🤣

Not to mention Excalibur is among the Starter warframes. Same with Umbra....just a better starter frame. 

EXACTLY! I just love how MR30s walk around with this ego when it literally boils down to leveling hundreds of "MR Fodder" items.

Congratulations you used lots of S$@T 

Besides it's not like the Hemlith system exists. Which means an extremely high percentage of players going into this quest.....are likely using a warframe that engaged in this system and have a warframe in the playstyle they like/want.

There's some warframes that still need work. And it's still clear DE wants to do it (Nyx is getting some QoA soon) 

But with the Hemlith system: you can still fix some issues in a fun way.

 

So, No....DE doesn't need to do QoA on alot of frames before the New War. And I'd rather they don't until after New War comes. It's not like we've been waiting for a while already. 

allright i admiy been 6 years i am waiting for a EZxcalibur and ash rework ,a bit less for inaros

its like DE though : excal got exalted and ash blade storm.. they need no more

but they made them powerfull and boring at same time

 

i can go sp with ash excal inaros with the right arcane and such... but that's not actually super fun spamming blade storm and exalted blade for 30min

 

i guess i can wait a bit more -_-

 

wait no i cant wait 5 more years  T_T

 

seriously if they rise up number of javelin or bring back the first radial javelin itération and make it

use  melee  mods and count as mele it would be enough , they dont ven have to make a real rework

[(XBOX)ShonOfDawn]

Don't worry about it, in The New War you'll mostly spend your time not using your Warframe, and I guess the final boss will strip you of your abilities. 

Cynicism aside, Excal could use a few tweaks to make him more interesting, even though his power level is fine. Slash dash could be a true mobility tool if instead of locking onto enemies and slowly chaining from one to the other, it acted as a quick, directional slash that makes the frame go straight through enemies while damaging them.

Radial Javelin is definitely trickier, because it is essentially a relic of a bygone era and doesn't necessarily fill a role in Excal's current kit. Its augment overlaps in terms of utility with Radial Blind, as they both provide damage boosts which together are overkill for most content. Its base damage is quite low and doesn't scale, and the stagger again poorly overlaps with Radial Blind. Just buffing the damage and making it scale is, in my opinion, a tad boring. I feel the ability should be redesigned to provide something Excalibur lacks, such as DR or enemy grouping. A random idea could be making the radial javelins appear on the enemy's side that is opposite to the line of casting, with the impale animation pushing the enemies towards the caster, allowing a fluid option to group blinded enemies and shred them with EB. Or, it could be turned into another skill entirely, such as a blade armor that provides DR based on a number of floating blades around the frame, which brake after being hit providing a small melee damage increase. In essence, anything with a bit more flair than "AoE damage" could work on the third slot. 

[Voltage]

17 hours ago, (PSN)ErydisTheLucario said:

I never thought someone would think Excal was either boring to play or weak.

I find Excalibur boring too. I rather just use a fun melee weapon on another Warframe and I would have exponentially more fun.

Just take a look at Excalibur vs Khora. Khora has much better synergy between abilities while still making her whip a signature melee. Excalibur offers pretty much nothing.

[(PSN)ErydisTheLucario]

1 hour ago, Voltage said:

I find Excalibur boring too. I rather just use a fun melee weapon on another Warframe and I would have exponentially more fun.

Just take a look at Excalibur vs Khora. Khora has much better synergy between abilities while still making her whip a signature melee. Excalibur offers pretty much nothing.

Good point, I guess I should really reword that to I never thought anyone would think Excal was weak. Boring I'm starting to see as I play him now. 

[Wawus]

I think there is a real need to level all frames to the same level of usability and gameplay.

Ever since I figured the most optimal build for Eclipse Gauss with Adaptation, Arcane Guardian and Quick Thinking and Galvanised Merciless Stahlta everything melts, I don't die and it's really, REALLY hard to get anything anywhere close to that with any other frame. Mind you, this build still keeps me on my toes due to recasting because of timers, but overall I didn't manage to see any other effective build like this apart from Amphis Accumulating Whip Resonator Khora. Would be nice to have similar level of godlikeness with other frames