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This is in response to the news of the impending Nyx buffs. 

I dusted her off and re-modded her to current mod and Helminth status, went out and had a stab at some assassinations, liches and Steel Path stuff.

I used to take Nyx to Lich confrontations, but it feels a bit useless when solo now. She'll strip the shields off a Kuva lich but won't work at all against a Sister lich. Even when shields are down, she's still too squishy* against a lich rank 4 or above, especially against a radiation caster or a teleporter. I can do it without dying but it's a bit of a challenge. Almost any other Warframe seems much more useful.

Standard bosses, yes ok, she works but so do other Warframes.

Steel Path, she works but so do others. Steel Path Ropalolyst seemed a bit daft, no point taking her because she just doesn't bring anything special to the party, just lots more dodging and occasionally wiping enemies from the boss' stage.

She doesn't stand out. 

She just doesn't seem specialist enough. A good general frame for general work against standard enemies, but something just isn't right.

I tried to imagine what she's like with the promised buffs, but the technical aspect still doesn't fit. Either the enemy is Nyx-proofed or she's too squishy to stand her ground after casting her bolts. You have to be extremely flighty with her, flitting around to get a decent shot off or hit'n'run with melee.

Maybe that's the key aspect, Nyx is a Warframe for the hit'n'run playstyle? I like to get in there and work with melee a lot, so maybe she's just not for me.

*I have maxed Umbral mods and other armour mods going on, adaptation and rolling guard, and tried switching out different augment mods. She's still too squishy for comfort. I had to keep moving to stay alive. I understand this isn't a problem for veterans used to this style of gameplay but I still think she needs another look at armour and base stats.

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Could just be a playstyle and preference issue? I was never the biggest Nyx fan. She used to be in to 3 least played Warframe's category. Then I started using her for a few Steel Path missions and she did better than I expected, and I started to become a fan when I did Sisters of Parvos content. She lets me two shot Sisters in the final confrontation by removing their shields and armour. I agree she is squishy, but I don't play her with Assimilate, and maybe I should. I just rely on Chaos for CC and stay alive that way. Though I do also use spoiler mode a lot, and one of the arcanes that heals Warframes when you are in spoiler mode, and all the waybounds, plus lockdown, so that definitely helps survivability. 

To be clear I wouldn't claim she is like a top tier Warframe, nor do I disagree with any of your points. Personally I find her and Banshee to be the best Sister killers. I also like where she is, but wouldn't be opposed if they buffed her base stats or armour. 

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40 minutes ago, (XBOX)General Poke said:

This is in response to the news of the impending Nyx buffs. 

I dusted her off and re-modded her to current mod and Helminth status, went out and had a stab at some assassinations, liches and Steel Path stuff.

I used to take Nyx to Lich confrontations, but it feels a bit useless when solo now. She'll strip the shields off a Kuva lich but won't work at all against a Sister lich. Even when shields are down, she's still too squishy* against a lich rank 4 or above, especially against a radiation caster or a teleporter. I can do it without dying but it's a bit of a challenge. Almost any other Warframe seems much more useful.

Standard bosses, yes ok, she works but so do other Warframes.

Steel Path, she works but so do others. Steel Path Ropalolyst seemed a bit daft, no point taking her because she just doesn't bring anything special to the party, just lots more dodging and occasionally wiping enemies from the boss' stage.

She doesn't stand out. 

She just doesn't seem specialist enough. A good general frame for general work against standard enemies, but something just isn't right.

I tried to imagine what she's like with the promised buffs, but the technical aspect still doesn't fit. Either the enemy is Nyx-proofed or she's too squishy to stand her ground after casting her bolts. You have to be extremely flighty with her, flitting around to get a decent shot off or hit'n'run with melee.

Maybe that's the key aspect, Nyx is a Warframe for the hit'n'run playstyle? I like to get in there and work with melee a lot, so maybe she's just not for me.

*I have maxed Umbral mods and other armour mods going on, adaptation and rolling guard, and tried switching out different augment mods. She's still too squishy for comfort. I had to keep moving to stay alive. I understand this isn't a problem for veterans used to this style of gameplay but I still think she needs another look at armour and base stats.

Probably a playstyle issue but not gonna lie some frames can do what she does BETTER.

 

1. Mind control. Get Wukong, Nekros, or revenant. They can do it better, or just get a spectre lol.

2. Reminds me of radial javelin. Anyway please… more frames can armor strip and deal more damage than that.

3. We don’t need this when we have radiation damage, and they still hit you!

4. Ok this is decent. Protective, offensive, and cool. Probably her best….

 

 

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7 minutes ago, (XBOX)General Poke said:

Wait, yours works against Sister Liches? Mine just shrugged off her bolts like a Stalker does. Ability-proofed, somewhat. :/

 

Yes they, well... they did. Unless something has changed in a Hotfix in the last week or so? I have not killed a Sister in almost 2 weeks. They should be able to. I am trying to think of reasons why they might not have? Am assuming you had enough Ability Strength? Were there lots of enemies around that might have intercepted the Bolts? Oh man, I hope they didn't change it.

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1 minute ago, (PSN)slightconfuzzled said:

Were there lots of enemies around that might have intercepted the Bolts? Oh man, I hope they didn't change it.

That might've been an issue but I don't think so. I fought mine in a dead-end tile and had killed the hounds and spectres already. Unless the bolts hit something behind me, they should've gone forward to the Sister. 

This is another reason I'd like to enjoy crossplay; you're apparently on PSN and I'm on Xbox, we might be able to work this kind of stuff out in the same squad one day.

But no, my lich just shrugged off the bolts as if it were a stalker. Kuva Lich, however, maintained lack of shields for a while before developing a sentient-like resistance to it.

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I use Nyx against all of the dumb new super armored enemies DE added because they can't balance their game. Nyx works great against Liches, Sisters, Necramechs, disruption, etc. I did 100% of the Steel Path with Nyx because she has everything you need.

She doesn't have survivability issues because Adaptation exists, nothing has survivability issues now. And if you are really in trouble she literally has an invulnerability button.

I often see the point that nothing X frame does is special, it is a stupid point because that is universally true. There is no frame that is necessary for any mission because there are always other frames who can also do those things. This game is focused on gun play and every frame gets guns.

Nyx has full armor strip, huge CC and invulnerability, plus an open slot to put a helminth ability. She may not have some meta identity but she has a solid set of skills for every situation and most frames lack a meta identity. Thankfully the meta is meaningless.

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1 hour ago, (XBOX)General Poke said:

This is in response to the news of the impending Nyx buffs. 

I dusted her off and re-modded her to current mod and Helminth status, went out and had a stab at some assassinations, liches and Steel Path stuff.

I used to take Nyx to Lich confrontations, but it feels a bit useless when solo now. She'll strip the shields off a Kuva lich but won't work at all against a Sister lich. Even when shields are down, she's still too squishy* against a lich rank 4 or above, especially against a radiation caster or a teleporter. I can do it without dying but it's a bit of a challenge. Almost any other Warframe seems much more useful.

Standard bosses, yes ok, she works but so do other Warframes.

Steel Path, she works but so do others. Steel Path Ropalolyst seemed a bit daft, no point taking her because she just doesn't bring anything special to the party, just lots more dodging and occasionally wiping enemies from the boss' stage.

She doesn't stand out. 

She just doesn't seem specialist enough. A good general frame for general work against standard enemies, but something just isn't right.

I tried to imagine what she's like with the promised buffs, but the technical aspect still doesn't fit. Either the enemy is Nyx-proofed or she's too squishy to stand her ground after casting her bolts. You have to be extremely flighty with her, flitting around to get a decent shot off or hit'n'run with melee.

Maybe that's the key aspect, Nyx is a Warframe for the hit'n'run playstyle? I like to get in there and work with melee a lot, so maybe she's just not for me.

*I have maxed Umbral mods and other armour mods going on, adaptation and rolling guard, and tried switching out different augment mods. She's still too squishy for comfort. I had to keep moving to stay alive. I understand this isn't a problem for veterans used to this style of gameplay but I still think she needs another look at armour and base stats.

She used to be the queen of CC, before they reworked her. So there went the specialist thing.

IMHO, the rework focussed too much on her least useful ability -- Mind Control (MC). From that perspective it made sense: MC damage buffs, armour/defence strip. MC with the augment can do some dumb damage, true, but it's the braindead AI that fails the her the most in that.

So what is she good at?

  • Chaos is still a very strong CC ability -- although it lost a bit with the passive change.
     
  • That combined with the defence strip makes it possible to bring her pretty much anywhere you want with whatever weapons you like. Only takes 24 or 25 Power Strength, too (although she used to be able to ignore Power Strength completely).
     
  • MC can be fun for a minute if you want to #*!% around a bit. But well...
     
  • You can go a dedicated "immortal" melee build with Assimilate and a few things that keep your energy up. Although personal opinion: it's boring.
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3 minutes ago, (XBOX)General Poke said:

That might've been an issue but I don't think so. I fought mine in a dead-end tile and had killed the hounds and spectres already. Unless the bolts hit something behind me, they should've gone forward to the Sister. 

This is another reason I'd like to enjoy crossplay; you're apparently on PSN and I'm on Xbox, we might be able to work this kind of stuff out in the same squad one day.

But no, my lich just shrugged off the bolts as if it were a stalker. Kuva Lich, however, maintained lack of shields for a while before developing a sentient-like resistance to it.

 

I am heading off to bed, but yeah thats strange. If you search Youtube for something like "Warframe Sister Nyx" you should definitely get some videos showing Nyx's Bolts removing all shields and armour in one cast. I would link a video, but the first one that showed it had terrible music, I wouldn't want to inflict on anyone. I've also killed about 18 Sisters with Nyx alone. 

Oh were you host? That could be another reason, like maybe lag was a factor? Or maybe its a bug or maybe they did it on purpose in last hotfix, a lot of people thought Banshee and Nyx were too good against Sisters and that their abilities should be nerfed in this regard. Maybe DE agreed? I hope not though. 

Also totally on the crossplay!! Hopefully by this time next year! 

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She’s pretty fun for me. I max-duration Mind Control to have a buddy, weaken enemies so we can kill easier, drive everyone crazy when things get hairy, and sometimes hide in a vortex to stay alive (though very rarely). Mainly I love Mind Control and am looking forward to the changes combined with Mind Freak; I love picking the right target to make my friend (MOAs are a favourite since they don’t know the meaning of fear)

edit: Her passive feels like it’d be a sizeable bonus to survival while bouncing from wall to wall, but only recently have I decided to test in a controlled environment instead of the field; it’s hard to tell how many times I’m not getting hit while I’m focusing on the fight, so I’m eager to see the results for myself

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With no mods but a single Intensify, Nyx entirely removes all shields and armor from multiple enemies with a single cast of her 2; there's no other frame that can take care of both of these problems so quickly and so easily at all levels of play.  This ability is Nyx's current identity; she's a glass cannon debuffer.

Perhaps her identity will change with these buffs?  If her 1 can be made into a reasonable DPS ability and her 4 scales better to higher level content...we'll see what happens.

But yes, at present, if you like to get your knuckles dirty with some melee, you're not going to feel comfortable with Nyx, because "comfortably surviving" is not her thing.

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1 hour ago, (PSN)Reaper330011 said:

Probably a playstyle issue but not gonna lie some frames can do what she does BETTER.

 

1. Mind control. Get Wukong, Nekros, or revenant. They can do it better, or just get a spectre lol.

2. Reminds me of radial javelin. Anyway please… more frames can armor strip and deal more damage than that.

3. We don’t need this when we have radiation damage, and they still hit you!

4. Ok this is decent. Protective, offensive, and cool. Probably her best….

 

 

I hate these arguements.

1. Wukong specter does not have auras that enemy Eximus an Ancients have and Mind Controlled target won't die until duration is over. Revenant targets can be killed by other players while Mind Controlled target can offer healing aura or summon allied Kubrows, Kavats or infested without risking it dying before getting chance to perform actions.

2. Okay, these warframes can strip armor or deal more damage... are rest of their kit CC oriented as well or is their role something else?

3. I do not always use Radiation damage or my weapons have very low status chance. Why are you even comparing wide range cc ability to status weapons anyway?

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6 hours ago, (XBOX)General Poke said:

What is Nyx good for?

Nyx has one job on the battlefield: prevent the enemies from shooting the Tenno

Yes, this is horribly out of date as a concept. Back in 2015 she was borderline god tier. But in the 2020's, most frames would rather the enemies both stop shooting AND be dead

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I use Nyx on every Interception, on Steel Path missions, to kill Kuva Lich and Sister of Parvos (Yes, it works very well for me), beacause she makes these missions extremaly easy. Best Crowd control in game, all defense strip, great tank with Assimilate (just learn how to build, and you'll be able to use her 4th for a very long time).

I dont't know how one can say she lacks suvavilibty as she can be immortal and ignore all damage aroud her. You just have to know how to build her well.

Sometimes I just replace Mind Control by Protea's Dispensary (I like Mind Control, but I don't think its problem is a question of the targets damage multiplier, but AI that behaves weirdly).

I use Nyx very very very often and she is one of my favorite frames.

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il y a 20 minutes, (XBOX)EternalDrk Mako a dit :

subsume her 1, (player preference)

use 2 (100+ strength) to strip armor + weak over 100%

use 3 to cc + open to attacks

use 4 with assimilate for valkyr like tanking 

Yes ,that's it ! Very simple and deadly on every mission.

Nyx is really OP. People just need to learn how she works and how to build her.

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Nyx is actually a fairly underrated 'frame, she's usually my second choice for when I want to just jump into any mission (with Gauss being my first).

It probably comes down to a playstyle preference and the idea that CC can't adequately compete with pure damage. This is generally true for Starchart content, but when it gets to levels 100 and higher, CC and support become far more valuable than pure damage, in my opinion. I've taken Nyx into Arbitrations and Steel Path and ended up outlasting my entire squad of Mesas, Inaros', Saryns, etc. or being the primary collector of arby tokens for revives.

 I've found that Mind Control is actually pretty handy for controlling something like a Nox, Toxic Ancients, or, Drahk master, Psychic bolts are good for armour stripping and some CC, and of course, Absorb is an invincibility button. 

I haven't done anything with Liches or Sisters, so I can't really say how good she is there, but it sounds like she's pretty handy for that as well.

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