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The Deimos mission in which you are tasked with killing more infested than the grineer is too difficult to do while solo. The grineer all aimbot and kill the infested far faster than I can. This is not a test of combat ability, this is a test of whether I feel like bringing Mesa yet again to out-aimbot them. I'm tired of bringing the same exact frame to Deimos for every single bounty on the off-chance that this mission will appear. I understand that there are a few other methods for dealing with this problem, like Banish, but my point is that this mission should not be more complicated than me + gun + infested = lods of ekills.

As the mission is currently, three infested sacs will spawn periodically in front of them, like we're playing a very slow carnival game. My suggestion is, preferably, to make the infested spawn more fluidly like the other missions and increase the amount needed, or at least decrease the damage of Level 3 SentryGarv so I have a chance of stealing his kill. 

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Until you're more powerful you should not expect to solo all of the content. There are missions clearly designed with specific frames/loadouts (in this case DPS is very important). If you're unable to meet the requirements solo then try running it with a crew. The mission you're talking about is relatively straight forward but it does necessitate certain strategies. If Mesa is your best DPS option then it is smart to use her for missions like this. She is far from the only viable way of doing this solo, however. Once you have Voidrig you should be able to do these missions solo with little to no problem (once you get a solid loadout for it) with any frame. 

You could also go with Wukong for the celestial twin and use the AI aimbotting against itself. Or you could AOE spam with Xoris or any of the other big hitting AOE weapons. Then there's Ember, Titania, Ash, Gara, Mirage, Zephyr (to name a few) that are all very solid options without need for much investment. 

There are lots of missions that are difficult while solo. Making the missions playout differently to cater to solo play is not necessary.

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How is DPS very important? I kill the infested INSTANTLY, with ANY gun I have. The problem is that they literally instantly die to the grineer before I can take aim. How is that intentional?

I don't use Mesa because she deals high damage, I use her because she shoots faster than them. But again, none of that is the point. My point is that the purported gameplay of this mission(if that is, "to kill lots of infested quickly") is not currently being met, or is being met to a standard that only very few of my equipment can manage. Maybe I could do it if I got VERY good, but none of the other missions need this level of investment. 

And what exactly is the idea behind loadout-specific content here, anyway? I would totally understand if this was, say, a sortie. But it's not. It's the completely basic open-world bounties. My entire complaint was about having to limit my arsenal for one(1) possible mission out of up to five stages in an otherwise bog-standard and accessible open-world bounty. None of the other bounty stages require the specialization you seem to be describing(again, this isn't about damage, but sheer speed). 

As for "changing the missions for solo play", I simply do not know if it is this way in multiplayer, as I have not tried it. If it is, it should be changed there, too. 

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9 minutes ago, The_Maker said:

The problem is that they literally instantly die to the grineer before I can take aim.

 

He has LoS.  Just kill infested before they get into his sights.

I just climb somewhere high, and shoot from there with something that can hit multiple targets.  Like Kuva Ayanga or such.   Dont even need specific frame.  Just slot AoE archgun in and its done.

 

AI in this game is pretty dull....if you can't beat it, you definitely lack something.    And if its easier, then what is the point? Might as well just remove it.   

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3 hours ago, The_Maker said:

How is DPS very important? I kill the infested INSTANTLY, with ANY gun I have. The problem is that they literally instantly die to the grineer before I can take aim. How is that intentional?

AFAIR, I used to kill weaker enemies without problems and stronger enemies took some time. Yet I get like 3x more than Grineer because Grineer were slow at killing.

However if that's the case then I would consider it as a bug. It would be like Cetus bounty where you need protect the camp.

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7 hours ago, The_Maker said:

the mission is currently, three infested sacs will spawn periodically in front of them, like we're playing a very slow carnival game

Ahahaha, indeee it is. 

What Ive noticed you dont get kill progress from destroying spawn pods which is stupid considering you have to spam AoE attacks to stay ahead of the grineers aimbots since those pods spawn next to them... Which in turn slows down the mission a lot. 

It needs work, like almost every bounty we have in open worlds... 

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9 hours ago, The_Maker said:

This is not a test of combat ability, this is a test of whether I feel like bringing Mesa yet again to out-aimbot them.

This is literally what I did after Failing the Area Control Bounty twice in a Row....

I would really like to play my Main Warframe once in a while... Please DE !!?

 

 

Oh hey Look:

@The_Maker + @Leqesai+ @xombob89 + @Lutesque

We're all using Ivara Glyphs 😁.... Its almost like we are up to something Sinister 😱 !!!

9 hours ago, Leqesai said:

Until you're more powerful you should not expect to solo all of the content.

Is it too much to ask just for the mission to be possible to do Solo... We're not asking for our Main Frames to be the new Effecient Meta... We literally just don't want to get Punished for Playing Them 😭

9 hours ago, Leqesai said:

There are missions clearly designed with specific frames/loadouts (in this case DPS is very important).

You would think DE would be trying to Down play The need to use Mesa... Instead they're doing the exact opposite 😱 !!!

9 hours ago, Leqesai said:

If Mesa is your best DPS option then it is smart to use her for missions like this.

In my case it's Ivara but the issue here isn't DPS... It's just not being able to Find the enemies in time to even get a chance to Kill them.... With Mesa I don't even know if enemies are over there but I just bullet Jump and Press 4 just to make sure... Aimbot does the rest...

9 hours ago, Leqesai said:

Once you have Voidrig you should be able to do these missions solo with little to no problem (once you get a solid loadout for it) with any frame

I have my Void Rig.... It's incomplete though.... Needs Forma... My Mausolon too...

9 hours ago, Leqesai said:

You could also go with Wukong for the celestial twin and use the AI aimbotting against itself.

I do that with Wisp Specters... And it actually does help... Until she gets murdered by one of those Orange Carnis Enemies... Those things really hurt....

9 hours ago, Leqesai said:

Or you could AOE spam with Xoris or any of the other big hitting AOE weapons

I'm using Glaive Prime with The new Volatile Quick Return Mod just For the Increased Explosion Radius... It's literally the only mod with that specific Stat 😱 !!!

9 hours ago, Leqesai said:

There are lots of missions that are difficult while solo. Making the missions playout differently to cater to solo play is not necessary.

It is if the Matchmaking is going to continue to be this Dated... Seriously... It's so bad...

8 hours ago, The_Maker said:

 

And what exactly is the idea behind loadout-specific content here, anyway? I would totally understand if this was, say, a sortie. But it's not. It's the completely basic open-world bounties

I mean... That just Highlights just how Ridiculous it is... I can Solo a Steel Path Star Chart Defense with Booben super easy but cant do a small Simple level 50 Area Control or Garv Bounty... Clearly something is not right here...

Who knows though.... Maybe things will change once I level up my Helminth Abit....

2 hours ago, xombob89 said:

Ahahaha, indeee it is. 

What Ive noticed you dont get kill progress from destroying spawn pods which is stupid considering you have to spam AoE attacks to stay ahead of the grineers aimbots since those pods spawn next to them... Which in turn slows down the mission a lot. 

Wait... it doesn't ? 😳   Tenno... You have endured such hardship to bring us this Intel... I greatly appreciate it ♥️ !!!

 

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38 minutes ago, Lutesque said:

This is literally what I did after Failing the Area Control Bounty twice in a Row....

I would really like to play my Main Warframe once in a while... Please DE !!?

For me Mesa = Cetus, Titania = Deimos.

We won't be able to play more frames in Open world because:

- Bounties consist of different type of missions. While some are fairly easy (and can be done by any frame) some require "better" gear.

- We cannot change gear in Open world.

 

38 minutes ago, Lutesque said:

 

Oh hey Look:

@The_Maker + @Leqesai+ @xombob89 + @Lutesque

We're all using Ivara Glyphs 😁.... Its almost like we are up to something Sinister 😱 !!!

And I'm bunny hopping (Wisp glyph) looking at Ivaras planning something. :D

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2 hours ago, quxier said:

I don't remember. I've not been in Fortuna for a very long time. It's probably Titania because she has better archwing or something.

Me it's:

Cetus: Chroma (Helps with The Thumpers)

Fortuna: Booben.

Deimos: Mesa 😞.

There was a time I could do Bounties on the plains with Nova or Loki but those Days are over thanks to Status Rework 😭.

 

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18 hours ago, The_Maker said:

The Deimos mission in which you are tasked with killing more infested than the grineer is too difficult to do while solo.

That's not the task, though. It's a bonus objective.

Bonuses should be difficult -- they're the reward you get for doing particularly well.

17 hours ago, The_Maker said:

I kill the infested INSTANTLY, with ANY gun I have. The problem is that they literally instantly die to the grineer before I can take aim.

Yeah, don't stand next to the Grineer. Venture forth and find things to kill before they get into Garv's range!

I didn't get the bonus the first time I did this Bounty stage, but after I realised the Grineer didn't need babysitting it ceased to be a problem.

I've done it lots of times in lots of 'frames. A fast-moving Warframe helps, as does extra Enemy Radar, but neither are mandatory.

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1 hour ago, OmegaVoid said:

I've done it lots of times in lots of 'frames. A fast-moving Warframe helps, as does extra Enemy Radar, but neither are mandatory.

Just wanted to pop in to say It’s weirdly nice to hear someone say they’ve done a thing with lots of frames, instead of a specific few.

Like, I get that defensive frames like Frost (or whatever) can be great for defense missions, but what can impress me personally is when someone can wield the different frames or equipment so well that Frost isn’t necessary for defense, he just has innate capability to do it well. The idea that we must use so-and-so frame kind of runs counter to the idea that any frame can do any content.

Anyways, don’t mind me.

Good tips for showing Garv how it’s done, I’ll keep them in mind 👍 

In contribution to this topic, personally I keep an eye out for those floating sacks and get a good kill on whatever drops out of them

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Hi just popping in to say in a furious rage that it really isn't just solo, had this as the last bounty segment with a full squad and the Grineer had 20%  in the first 5 seconds. Dozens of Infested were spawning underneath them, meaning we couldn't kill them before they got in range. I was using a fully upgraded Void Rig and Mausalon to kill anything that showed up near them for more than 3 rendered frames. Oh the pods don't count GOOD TO KNOW. Still could not possibly keep up with them it just felt random.

 

I grinded out all my Family stuff closer to release and I don't think it was nearly this bad, meaning it somehow got worse since then. I'm only doing this because I need Mother Tokens for the...I can't even remember what I was grinding for. Like the Naeberus stuff is meant to keep us occupied until we're closer to the New War since they're not going to have anything new gameplay wise for a period of months, and it's just shining a giant glaring light on how broken or just Not Entertaining At All stuff is sometimes. Really tempers my expectations for any new gameplay systems the New War adds because I imagine it's going to be...like this. That might be a positive.

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On 2021-10-11 at 7:36 AM, (NSW)Greybones said:

 

Like, I get that defensive frames like Frost (or whatever) can be great for defense missions, but what can impress me personally is when someone can wield the different frames or equipment so well that Frost isn’t necessary for defense, he just has innate capability to do it well. The idea that we must use so-and-so frame kind of runs counter to the idea that any frame can do any content

What are you talking about ? Frost is terrible for Defense Missions 🤔... 

Also the whole "Any Frame Can Do Any Content" tends to fall apart when you realise exactly how this is actually Achieved.... I remember getting into an Argument with someone on Profit Taker being for Chroma and Inaros only.... He said he did it with Banshee.... Case Closed right ?

Well it wasn't until he posted a video of exactly how he did it I saw the issue... He was literally Spamming the Living Hell Out of Spoiler Mode.... I think he spent more Time in Spoiler Mode Healing than he did in his Warframe.... And he didn't use a single one of Banshee's Abilities... Not even on adds....

So I ask you.... If you claim that every Warframe can do every content but don't actually utilize your Warframe to actually achieve this... Then have you made your point ? 

I personally don't think so....

Hell I even did this myself one time... I took Booben out to an Eidolon Hunt with an all Over Driver Build... Because that's literally the only Ability that works in Eidolon Hunts.... And Did just fine... I one Shotted all the Limbs and even the Eidolon's themselves.... But the whole experience was just aggravating because I might have looked like I was playing Booben but in actualality I was merely Channeling Discount Chroma while Disguised as Booben. 😐

On 2021-10-11 at 7:31 PM, Wret said:

I'm only doing this because I need Mother Tokens for the...I can't even remember what I was grinding for.

Night Of Naberus 😝...

On 2021-10-11 at 7:31 PM, Wret said:

Really tempers my expectations for any new gameplay systems the New War adds because I imagine it's going to be...like this. That might be a positive.

Out of Curiosity.... What Content Launched Along Side The Sacrifice ? Was it Fortuna ?

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10 minutes ago, Lutesque said:

What are you talking about ? Frost is terrible for Defense Missions 🤔... 

Also the whole "Any Frame Can Do Any Content" tends to fall apart when you realise exactly how this is actually Achieved.... I remember getting into an Argument with someone on Profit Taker being for Chroma and Inaros only.... He said he did it with Banshee.... Case Closed right ?

Well it wasn't until he posted a video of exactly how he did it I saw the issue... He was literally Spamming the Living Hell Out of Spoiler Mode.... I think he spent more Time in Spoiler Mode Healing than he did in his Warframe.... And he didn't use a single one of Banshee's Abilities... Not even on adds....

So I ask you.... If you claim that every Warframe can do every content but don't actually utilize your Warframe to actually achieve this... Then have you made your point ? 

I personally don't think so....

Hell I even did this myself one time... I took Booben out to an Eidolon Hunt with an all Over Driver Build... Because that's literally the only Ability that works in Eidolon Hunts.... And Did just fine... I one Shotted all the Limbs and even the Eidolon's themselves.... But the whole experience was just aggravating because I might have looked like I was playing Booben but in actualality I was merely Channeling Discount Chroma while Disguised as Booben. 😐

Huh. I thought Frost was okay for defense (he was the one I tended to gravitate towards). Wasn’t sure who else counts as an excellent Defense mission frame; Limbo sprang to mind, so I was like “Frost (or whatever)”.

🤔 That’s a fair point regarding Banshee vs Profit Taker.  It’s possible your friend was just bad at the game and had to rely on spoiler as a crutch, but this does give me a goal to test towards; gonna try Banshee against Profit Taker and see whether the claim that “Any frame can do any content” holds water. If no matter what I try I just can’t do it, I would consider it a suspect claim

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On 2021-10-11 at 8:31 PM, Wret said:

Hi just popping in to say in a furious rage that it really isn't just solo, had this as the last bounty segment with a full squad and the Grineer had 20%  in the first 5 seconds. Dozens of Infested were spawning underneath them, meaning we couldn't kill them before they got in range. I was using a fully upgraded Void Rig and Mausalon to kill anything that showed up near them for more than 3 rendered frames. Oh the pods don't count GOOD TO KNOW. Still could not possibly keep up with them it just felt random.

Yeah, I also have maxed Voidrig and Ive had to resort to spamming his cannons many times because the enemies just spawn right under the grineer... And since the pods dont seem to count, its slooooow. 

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