[DE]Steve Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 NOV 5th, 2013 - RNG ALGORITHM CHANGES If you are one of those players that feel like the RNG Gods are angry with you, starting today you may begin to notice a more fair and balanced hand from these divine beings. Glen (our Tech Director) identified and fixed a serious distribution flaw with random number generation (RNG) in Warframe. While enemy drops were not seriously affected, a truncation in the random 'seed' within the mission reward script could result in a terrible chain of bad luck. While some players may have benefited from this (a chain of good luck) the distribution was terrible. For context: Games use a lot of random numbers for things other than drops; for example when you blast one of those damned security cameras and a shower of sparks explodes out of it the each particle’s direction is determined by an RNG. Since games need a lot of RNG for effects and other things we actually have a very optimized RNG to make the game run quickly – the problem is you trade entropy (how random it is) for speed. The RNG for drops needed to be slow and good to be fair and truly reflect the intended drop rates. The new code changes embraces a much slower and entropic means of determining drops of all kinds - weapons, Warframe parts, etc. I'm very sorry for the frustration this has caused. We are committed to preventing future regression through automated tests... Attached to this post are contrast-boosted images from these tests. The bugged RNG, which is plainly giving dreadful runs. The 'fast' RNG without the truncation error - much better but still with an obvious pattern. Lastly, Glen's new code which shows a vastly improved distribution. Thank you for reading and happy hunting Tenno! Left to right: Bugged, Fast, Fixed (new hotness) These pictures show the output of each RNG technique repeatedly flipping a coin: White is heads, Black is tails. In order for the loot tables to be fair and well distributed you want your RNG to output something that looks like static (which the new approach does). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew016 Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 nice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grineer_Marshal Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 yay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PsychedelicSnake Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 It's like a snowstorm of sexy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beean Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 Sweet thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aryajmarya Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 Nothing was understood, but many things were appreciated ^_^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habitq Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 Wat. No more raging threads against the RNG gods? What is this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaoticVice777 Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 Good to know! That would explain some of the issues of not being able to find certain parts in the Void or mods in certain modes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starforsaken Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 I'm so glad to hear this! I had both good and bad luck, but to feel the game will reward you more for your persistance instead of feeling you're (or not) lucky its really good! Thanks DE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rajko Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 Fantastic, thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uthanar Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 Nerdtastic! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UmbraVenator Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 Will this make material farming easier? Because yes please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caramelaion Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 didnt understands shut Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farren Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 (edited) Good to see more improvements to this system. Personally I never had a string of "Bad RNG" with farming, but all improvements to Warframe are appreciated. Especially something so important. Edited November 5, 2013 by Farren Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genoscythe Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 (edited) THANK YOU SO MUCH! The times of sacrificing fresh human hearts to the RNG gods are over! I will still keep my sacrifice slaves incase the new RNG improvements wont work... Edited November 5, 2013 by Genoscythe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jofnir Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 Awesome! Thanks for the update :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brahmastra Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 (edited) Like this?This was from a few hours ago... top lel EDIT: And this was after the hotfix. Edited November 5, 2013 by Brahmastra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zachles Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 Not 100% sure what those pictures mean, but okay! Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgax Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 Ok, how will this affect your average Joe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHOBIE Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 *blows trunc* Yay for the Moon Lady, Goddess of all RNG. And thanks to Glen who made this possible. And coffee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BushyTails Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 The grineer need to Get Glen and give him some greedy milk as a reward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_Absolom_ Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 Huzzah! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToeSama Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 So, how much DOES this new code effect the chances at certain items? Does this improve odds for rare drops, or at least give a better odd of hitting that sweet spot needed to see those drops appear? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gravefire Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 Glad to see its fixed. Now if I can just see that cinematic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aggh Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 Will this affect alerts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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