Prime Resurgence Dev Workshop & FAQ

[(PSN)drpunk-yo]

17 minutes ago, (XBOX)Demiwolf0606 said:

We should not have to grind and farn for hours just to get a relic or a syndana that isn't that great.

How did you get your unvaulted relics before this?

Pretty sure we've always farmed for hours for them.

And if syndana not that great what you doing farming for it?

[(XBOX)Shodian]

2 minutes ago, Numerikuu said:

People are rightfully confused due to it

I really don't see how. It's not that hard.

[Hypernaut1]

20 minutes ago, (XBOX)Demiwolf0606 said:

.All this prime resurgence is is DE is trying to convince us to pull out our debit/credit cards and spend money. 

😲

[Numerikuu]

Just now, (XBOX)Shodian said:

I really don't see how. It's not that hard.

You've not read any of the 30+ page thread then. Understandable if busy tbh. There's a lot of people on here, over on Reddit, on socials and in game that are confused about this event. It doesn't help when the WFtwitter told people they could earn the prime accessories with normal Aya, either.

[SneakyErvin]

8 minutes ago, Numerikuu said:

I personally feel this whole thing boils down to poor communication on DE's part.

I asked this in another thread. How could they have made it any clearer? It is explained in 2 different places, both on a seperate part of the official site aswell as on the forums, with in-depth QoA's and happy, fluffy power-pointesque info boxes that are extremely hard to misinterpret. 

2 minutes ago, Numerikuu said:

It doesn't help when the WFtwitter told people they could earn the prime accessories with normal Aya, either.

And we can. Not all of them, but those tied to Twitch.

[SephirothWS]

4 minutes ago, LSG501 said:

I can see more stuff, including non prime cosmetics, being stuck behind regal aya though. 

80% of the things available in game is locked behind Paya. The other 20% a lot of us vets already have, so this event is poorly executed. If you REALLY think about it, I still have the opinion that Platinum may be going the way of the Dodo here; especially with regards to the inevitable mobile port coming ... and I'm sure you all know who's behind that one. ... Starts with a T and rhymes with Ent.

[Numerikuu]

5 minutes ago, SneakyErvin said:

I asked this in another thread. How could they have made it any clearer? It is explained in 2 different places, both on a seperate part of the official site aswell as on the forums, with in-depth QoA's and happy, fluffy power-pointesque info boxes that are extremely hard to misinterpret. 

It wasn't clear and precise from the get-go unfortunately. Because of this--and first impressions mean absolutely everything in this world of instant comms--it caused confusion, and thus misinformation, and misinformation spreads like wildfire. Even their own team was spreading misinformation over on socials 🤦‍♀️

They needed to nail communication from the get-go, but tripped up. Happens when something is ultimately rushed out.

[(XBOX)Shodian]

5 minutes ago, Numerikuu said:

t doesn't help when the WFtwitter told people they could earn the prime accessories with normal Aya, either.

They probably meant Twitch Prime.

Also instead of a screenshot send us to the actual Twitter page next time please. This image could be doctored and is missing context.

[Modus-Pwnens]

I would not mind Regal Aya at all (and would purchase some) if:

1. DE wasn't doing such predatory hot-dog-bun pricing with the Regal Aya packs. DE has always avoided this scummy practice in the past. I've been perfectly happy to kick some money DE's way every few months for years. I think the game is fun and I'm happy to pay for it. If this is a sign of things to come, that is definitely going to end. Platinum bundles come in a lot of different values without too much distance between them. Mismatches between prices and bundle sizes aren't too bad, and players can always trade for the differences. Regal Aya's bundling is so much more predatory. You don't even offer a bundle that lets people buy a single accessory pack like in a normal Prime Access! Please don't go down this road.

2. It didn't feel like you were gaslighting us, which is not how I usually feel about DE's typically transparent monetization.

The announcement about Regal Aya is phrased like the decision not to include platinum is a pro-consumer move, saying that you "can't justify" offering one premium currency as a bonus for buying another. This has nothing to do with conscience. Giving Platinum with these purchases is functionally identical to giving them with Prime Access, which didn't seem to be unjustifiable before. And if it were really about your conscience, you'd have lowered the price accordingly when you removed the platinum, which you did not. It feels like you are not being honest with us.

The announcement also says that the Endo is a replacement of equivalent value. But it is very easy to look up the platinum cost of an equivalent amount of endo and to see that this is a much worse deal. Please stop trying to gaslight us.

This feels so incredibly disrespectful and manipulative, in a way that DE usually isn't, and it is definitely impacting my purchase decisions.

If you had simply said that you couldn't keep giving Platinum with the purchases, that it was inflating the supply too much, and that you knew this was a lower value, that would have been fine. I'd have been happy to buy a few and pick up some accessories I've missed, even at a worse value than before!

What I expect from DE is:

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Hey Tenno, we've thought long and hard and decided we can't afford to keep giving out Platinum with these purchases. This is a necessary change, and we've decided this event is a good time to try it out since we're introducing another premium currency. We are making it a little more flexible, and offering some Endo with the purchases, and we hope that makes up for it a little bit. We know this is a worse deal, and we apologize, but this is a necessary change for Warframe in the long term. Thank you again to all of our Tenno who have decided to support our development by buying Prime Access and now through Regal Aya! We couldn't do it without you!

A distinguishing thing about Warframe has historically been that its monetization is usually pretty honest. I expect a lot more than trying to disguise a much worse deal, adding aggressive mobile-game currency bundling, and attempting to gaslight your customers into thinking they're getting a similar or better deal than before.

[Kaotyke]

After taking my time to analise this situation, I've come to the shocking conclusion that... people love to overreact negatively, it attracts views and internet points for egos.

The only difference I see of this thing and the Prime Vault is that... the bundles got even more divided, so you can buy the individual items now AND getting the bundle gives Endo instead of Platinum.

Thats all this is.

If you are already going to use 20USD to buy a Prime Accessories pack, what is the difference between that and the 20USD 3xRegal Aya pack that you were going to use to buy the Vaulted Pack?

Only the Platinum being out and getting Endo instead.

Which would be the only thing I can agree with, it is an odd change. They said its "due to technical and compliance limitations across all Warframe’s platforms.", of course, this had people calling Danielle a liar. But, what if, bear with me here, I know this might be hard to believe and might destroy everything you know about the DEvil... what if, they are speaking the truth? "Where the proof?" You ask, well, compliance across platforms implies contractual, so its Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo in the mix and... do you see anyone, except that rapper that though he has bought Atari (when it reality it was their digital coin and it was "for advertisement") and showed it to everyone on Instagram, do that? Might be a breach of contract because it needs both parties to concent to disclose what is there or else... lawsuit with SONY or MICROSOFT or NIN-#*!%ING-TENDO at the other end of it. I dont think anyone would want to tackle those without an undeniable case in their favor... like those guys making PS5 plates. But breach of contract? There's no winning that.

[Vorpal_Ocelot]

5 hours ago, ZeroX4 said:

1st of all i see something that demands too much from my wallet than it actually deserves i simply show it middle finger
I have no idea why it should be any different for anyone else

But seeing outrage of players after realizing prices i believe they will very quickly learn to vote with their wallets
So problem will be solved easily

I dont follow warframe life on twitch reddit twitter or anywhere i just read patch notes and if was able to understand from them exactly what raya will be and how whole resurgence will work i have no idea how ppl that do follow warframe anywhere can BS themselves in thinking its something else than it really is

And i think ones to blame are ppl who BSed themselves into thinking they will be able to buy what is sold for real money for just plat

Since there was clear message how it gonna work

Another clear message ive seen is that they are testing things out checking can it coexist with PA
In my eyes they are checking if players are stupid enough to pay more to get less
And i dont see anything wrong in it since ppl wont buy as much as they would from PA and lesson will be learn fast
And they will know fast enough not to repeat that kind of event ever again

But lets say you broke your favorite keyboard and they are out of stock and 1 person is selling it for idk 10% more
Would you not buy it?
I see nothing wrong in giving ppl chance to do something even if its for $$$ so idk whats the problem here?
People should simply go to feedback rise their concerns about pricing and that should be end of the story 

BUUUUUT 1 thing i do need to give credit is accessibility
Chance for NONE $$$ players to get vaulted relics is pretty much awesome (heck even if someone is willing to $$$ for build one that is pretty cool)
I own every single primed crap i could but so this event offers nothing to me unless i would wish to get some crap then sell later when they regain their vaulted status
But i do remember how i was waiting for some primes to be unvaulted so i can buy them cheap or farm relics for them

And guessing now they will drop in prices due accessibility seems like good event after all just not for ppl who $$$

And i can agree on 1 thing its not fun event but i cant agree with you being mislead
I mean i can if you admit you mislead yourself since if reading 1 patch notes was enough for me then it should also be enough for you
And that is perfectly fine we all have hopes just dont say it was something like false advertising since it was not
We all do have hopes and expect more than we are offered that is normal 

I agree with what you said and I did state I got myself hyped up and was let down. I am only stating my opinion and I certainly am not outraged, just let down. It could be my own fault, but I do know many share my feelings of feeling a bit mislead on perpose. 

I also have all primes accept maybe 2 and I all ready had the relics to pop for them, plunty of them. I think this event was geared towards new players spending money and not the dedicated player fanbase. Again, my opinion... I ain't mad haha

Also, as a guitar/bass/ukulele/banjo instructor for Guitar Center, I really enjoyed your keyboard analogy. And to be honest, it really did make sense and make me feel better about the event. I guess I personally just wanted *something* fun from the event without spending cold cash. 

Hey, maybe the new war update will be awesome and its right around the bend.

[Numerikuu]

8 minutes ago, (XBOX)Shodian said:

They probably meant Twitch Prime.

Also instead of a screenshot send us to the actual Twitter page next time please. This image could be doctored and is missing context.

The non-scribbled out/cropped one came from the Twitter user RangerX1121. Regardless of what was meant (and yes, screw ups happen, we're human after all) it did not help the situation and shows how botch comms were. SM is an incredibly powerful tool and misinfo spreads on there in an instant. Gotta nail those comms.

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"A lie can travel halfway around the world before the truth can get its boots on."

 

[(XBOX)Shodian]

6 minutes ago, Numerikuu said:

Regardless of what was meant (and yes, screw ups happen, we're human after all) it did not help the situation

If you read the comments it was said the tweet was deleted and a correction was made. 

[xMarvin732]

3 hours ago, (PSN)Reaper330011 said:

(Bad pun ahead) I…. A-gree d.

I A-(aya)-greed

[(PSN)Flatulent_Draco]

3 hours ago, (NSW)RATHURUE said:

Any explanation for WHY IN THE SEVEN SIRENS Avia Prime armor set and Syndana, which is FREE REWARDS FROM TWITCH PRIME, SAME AS THE OTHER SYNDANA AND LISET SKIN PRUCHASEABLE FOR AYA NEEDS TO BE PURCHASED WITH REGAL AYA???

Avia Prime Armor and Syndana was PRIME ONLY IN NAME. It is obtainable via Amazon Prime, which means it's FREE REWARDS. Therefore, it should be purchaseable with normal Aya.

We don't care if it's gonna cost like 50 Ayas for armor set or something like that. But backpedalling for what you guys already told us to squeeze more money? That's blatant swindling.

DE's greed knows no bounds. Or was it Tencent?

More than likely tennis centicus deemed it technically bought since you do have to pay for prime service if you run out of the free month version. Or both DE and TC are looking to go for as much gain as possible with as little effort put in.

[SneakyErvin]

19 minutes ago, Numerikuu said:

It wasn't clear and precise from the get-go unfortunately. Because of this--and first impressions mean absolutely everything in this world of instant comms--it caused confusion, and thus misinformation, and misinformation spreads like wildfire. Even their own team was spreading misinformation over on socials 🤦‍♀️

They needed to nail communication from the get-go, but tripped up. Happens when something is ultimately rushed out.

Which is why there were two other major information hubs with all the info outlined. Why rely on twitter, why even ask the question when you can read about it? Is it the twitter generation that is so lazy that they cant read things handeded to them unless it comes in the twitter format?

[Hopefighter]

The main issue with Regal Aya is not that it exsists, but that it is currently too expensive. Previous Prime Unvaulting Accessories cost the same as 3 Regal Aya which can be used to buy a set of prime acessories. But the Accessories also came with 200 Plat and the prices weren't obfuscated. There is a really easy solution that would make Regal Aya fairly priced: add platinum to the purchases, corresponding to the amount you can get during normal prime unvaultings.

[SneakyErvin]

3 minutes ago, Hopefighter said:

There is a really easy solution that would make Regal Aya fairly priced: add platinum to the purchases, corresponding to the amount you can get during normal prime unvaultings.

The problem with that is that it would move away from their (and many other businesses) idea of promoting specific bundles with bonuses. It should be part of the bundles themselves, so you either make use of getting bonus plat, or you make use of their target purchase system of specific in bundle pieces. It is a business in the end, there needs to be some appeal to the bigger packs that bring in the highest cash, so people stop and think "hmm should I get the bundle for the extra plat or should I pick up these 2 individual pieces?".

[Numerikuu]

25 minutes ago, (XBOX)Shodian said:

If you read the comments it was said the tweet was deleted and a correction was made. 

I did, but you disregarded the rest of mine.

It's great that they eventually corrected themselves, but them not nailing comms out the gate contributed to the problem. We're living in an era where information travels at an instant. When it comes to marketing and testing of new systems that may potentially touch on a sensitive spot in the gaming community, you may want to make sure the info you're putting out there is correct, clear, and concise... Otherwise, this happens.

(Or there's the possibility things was handled this way on purpose in order to gauge the communities reaction 🤷‍♀️)

[SparklesnChaos]

3 hours ago, (XBOX)Shodian said:

If you don't like it you don't have to buy or play it. ;)

Yes, because pretending that there are no problems, fixes all the problems. <insert mother of all eye rolls here>

[Granith]

People are hella quick to rush to defend the game from your post but honestly the fact no one has been able to provide an actual logical or factual argument against the claim it's a cash-grab and are just blindsiding themselves highlights that your post is right.

Don't worry about the over protective fans, they love to get defensive over their favourite time-sink otherwise they may have to question why they've invested so much of their life into Warframe in the first place.

I've been playing since 2013 and have absolutely no clue how people are defending this event as if it's anything other than a blatant cash grab, so rest easy. You're not alone. 

[(XBOX)C11H22O11]

I don't understand the thought of thinking regal Aya should be free or tradable, it's clearly the substitute of the vault packs which have always costed real cash. I understand that the price is probably too high, if people are not buying DE will definitely lower it. 

[CaptainSpear]

I would like to thank digital extremes for structuring the prime resurgence the way they did. I suffer slightly from what people call "analysis paralysis". if you give me too many choices, I freeze, and I'm just trying to reason with myself what's the best option, but since there's so many options available, I kind of just stand there. thats why i go last during thanksgiving.

by having the primes release only 2 at a time, I can actually focus and make choices that I genuinely want to make. this is so much better than having a free for all- and believe it or not, I actually like the idea of the free for all at the very end, the last chance weeks. at that point, I've already made my choices and if I need to, I can get whatever I want then.

 

Thank you, DE. this event is actually quite nice, and as a player who joined when xaku dropped, this opportunity to get the frames I want wont go un-appreciated. 

[Circle_of_Psi]

2 hours ago, Tesseract7777 said:

 absolutely nothing whatsoever to back it up.

Yeah, duh...

That's why I said its "speculated" I've had people tell me this crap, that it's gonna "remove" plat and such, etc. That's kinda silly in my eyes, cuz won't good will that come out of?

1 hour ago, LSG501 said:

That might be a bit extreme but I can see more stuff, including non prime cosmetics, being stuck behind regal aya though. 

What better way to 'devalue' traded plat than to stop using it on the stuff people actually want....

 What I was thinking, I don't think it will go this far, but this DE we are talking about, so anything is possible 

[(NSW)RATHURUE]

42 minutes ago, (PSN)Flatulent_Draco said:

More than likely tennis centicus deemed it technically bought since you do have to pay for prime service if you run out of the free month version. Or both DE and TC are looking to go for as much gain as possible with as little effort put in.

That logic is like saying you need to pay delivery service to be able to pick the strawberry growing in your own porch.

Twitch Prime is a separate service from Warframe. Therefore whatever you paid for the Twitch service does NOT mean the item you obtained via Twitch was 'behind paywall' in Warframe. More like it's a free bonus for subscribing to Twitch, that bleeds to Warframe.  

So it's not 'paid item' at all. Heck, Bungie weapon skins are FREE as collaboration, but DE decided they gonna sell those as 'pack' to get money.