Prime Resurgence Dev Workshop & FAQ

[Perfectly_Framed_Waifu]

1 minute ago, (XBOX)Demiwolf0606 said:

I understand the update was really to give console players a chance to get primes they missed out on, but why DE gotta be so pricy.  Like yeah, its a f2p game and they have to make money somehow, but you know what's something they could have done, put it for the prices of platinum.  $5,$10, etc

Yeah, you'd think that merely making the vaults available to console players would've raked in a lot of cash, but DE got greedy and now the Platinum gone, leaving a sour taste even in the mouth of those who've never had access to these vaults before.

[(PSN)Gentleman_Raven_]

Been taking a long break from the toxicity that is WF and then I see this "Prime Resurgence" thing and decide to investigate. Well for all their fancy words it comes down to DE's only main concern and that is MONEY and they want more of it. 

That's... great DE. 

So you want me to come back and buy OLD Primes for a higher price and THAT'S your "Event"?!?

BUH BYE, DE.

[(PSN)Pablogamer585]

Now this might be the closest thing to working communism I'll ever see applied to real life happenings. Count me and my clan in, not that I were able to buy but...

[SneakyErvin]

2 minutes ago, Perfectly_Framed_Waifu said:

Not "exactly the same".

^ That'll cost you a minimum of $40 to acquire.

Well no and yes. The old system also had flaws even if the Nekros bundle only did cost $20, because you were "forced" both accessories on you even if you just wanted 1. Now it is only more expensive and a waste if you only want those specific 2 accessories out of everything. If you want more it will be the same price since you'd buy the $40 pack and get 7 Raya, which means you have the value of a full $20 pack left after buying the Nekros things.

I think neither system is perfect. The new one however allows for selective purchases, which I think is a greater benefit than some "packs" being slightly more expensive if you only need them. But in the end it will highly depend on the needs of the individual buyer. I am personally happy to not be forced to pay for things like extractors, sugatras and so on.

[(PSN)ErydisTheLucario]

Already way ahead of ya.

[(PSN)thowed]

Or you could farm regular Aya and buy their relics when they are in rotation?  Shouldn't be a problem since "I began to start grinding more than I ever do trying to be able to get these."

[NinjaKitsune56]

Whether they leave it up on the Market to purchase with a reduced price or not, it should at least be a rare drop in Fissure missions, too.

Count me in.

[SneakyErvin]

22 minutes ago, (XBOX)Demiwolf0606 said:

I was saying,"Yes, finally I can get Volt and Hydroid Primes." 

And you cant get them why exactly? 

They are all free to grind, just like they've always been. Go to void or bounties, pew pew pew baddies, get Aya, buy relic whateveryouneed, crack said relic, and potentially profit. Like with every single prime in the game.

[Numerikuu]

44 minutes ago, (XBOX)Demiwolf0606 said:

Ooooo  Another one Numerikuu. "Hey this is DE we have an event going on, want to participate.  Well I'm sorry but you have to pay $20 or more to participate"

26 minutes ago, Vorpal_Ocelot said:

This is how I felt.

Why call it an event if everything free was all ready available ingame through trade the whole time. Nothing was made accessible through the event via grind and gameplay that wasn't all ready accessible ingame through grind and gameplay. Example: If you want a vaulted prime you find a mod/weapon part people want for plat, farm it, trade to plat, use plat to trade with a player who has the vaulted prime relic or part. Note this methid helps everyone involved with the trade process and everyone is happy.

Now you just have the added option to go up against RNGsus for Aya instead of community wanted items and help no one with your grind but yourself.

Most players who are more than 2 years in will find this event has nothing for them but a chance to spend real cash... during the holidays and a pandemic and money issues world wide but was hyped up as an event which usually means fun... but not so much this time.

All feedback welcome even if your against my point of view please post your thoughts!

For those attacking though and getting mean to eachother, this aint the spot for it. Time to be adults with feedback <3

In the technical sense/dictionary definition, it is an 'event' so to speak. In terms of how the gaming community views and are used to events actually being hosted, this most certainly isn't that kind of 'event'. Imo DE aren't technically wrong and deserve slack for that, but they defo made it seem more 'eventful' than delivered. It's basically just quick-fire unvaulting, with a little dash of hopeful whale-hooking.

Personally I feel the free path (while a little bumpy at first due to all the misinfo spread about, and I'm no saint in believing some of it 😂) was a good choice. It's also revived the open-worlds which is great! Most outrage regarding the free path seems to stem around people assuming that the drop rates are awful due to doing void capture. Spoilers: Of course they'd be awful. Void capture is drowning in various relics. Good luck getting the one(s) you specifically want if you go down that route. With them replacing unvaulted relics with Aya in bounties we can now pick and choose the exact unvaulted relics we want, and we no longer have to wait for bounty rewards to rotate to the relics we're after.

As for the Raya path... Imo prices need to either be reduced, or amounts of Raya increased. In their current state the value compared to Prime Access/unvaultings is godawful. A shame, as I was genuinely looking forward to being able to selectively pick n' mix, but not with those inflated prices/poor value, sheesh.

[Vorpal_Ocelot]

Usually, as humans are habitual creatures, when someone gets away with something and benefit they will do it again.

So I ask you all, is this the beginning to Warframe "events" having their own cash-currency in the future? Will we tell them that is okay? 

Platinum works great, you can buy it, you can trade it, it is a great resource for those with the means of cash, yet still accessible for those without such means readily available.

Could this event of just stayed transparent, used ingame earned Aya for rewards or plat for those who want instant access. 

What you should be worried about is in a game all ready deluted with a billion different kinds of resources, why are they trying to add more, specifically different cash-resources to the mix. Is this for the games best interest? Will more events be unique cash-based in the future, hold their own cash-currency and feel like such a slap in the face to the expierenced player base?

[Perfectly_Framed_Waifu]

9 minutes ago, SneakyErvin said:

Well no and yes. The old system also had flaws even if the Nekros bundle only did cost $20, because you were "forced" both accessories on you even if you just wanted 1. Now it is only more expensive and a waste if you only want those specific 2 accessories out of everything. If you want more it will be the same price since you'd buy the $40 pack and get 7 Raya, which means you have the value of a full $20 pack left after buying the Nekros things.

I think neither system is perfect. The new one however allows for selective purchases, which I think is a greater benefit than some "packs" being slightly more expensive if you only need them. But in the end it will highly depend on the needs of the individual buyer. I am personally happy to not be forced to pay for things like extractors, sugatras and so on.

There's no "well no and yes" about it - it's provably not exactly the same, even more so if you count the Platinum. Argue about which one you personally prefer if you wanna, but claiming that they're "exactly the same" is objectively false.

The selective purchases the new system offers is still limited in that you cannot spend less than what you previously paid for a full Accessory pack - if you only just wanted 1, you're still "forced" to pay the equivalent of both accessories, like you touched on, and you no longer get the evergreen Platinum as a consolation. This of course means that in every case where you want a full pack, be it accessories, single or dual frame, you're getting an objectively worse deal.

Was the old system perfect? No. But this new system is one step in the right direction, two steps back, going by pure, objective math alone. So here's to hoping DE reverts those last two steps.

[SneakyErvin]

2 minutes ago, Perfectly_Framed_Waifu said:

There's no "well no and yes" about it - it's provably not exactly the same, even more so if you count the Platinum. Argue about which one you personally prefer if you wanna, but claiming that they're "exactly the same" is objectively false.

The selective purchases the new system offers is still limited in that you cannot spend less than what you previously paid for a full Accessory pack - if you only just wanted 1, you're still "forced" to pay the equivalent of both accessories, like you touched on, and you no longer get the evergreen Platinum as a consolation. This of course means that in every case where you want a full pack, be it accessories, single or dual frame, you're getting an objectively worse deal.

Was the old system perfect? No. But this new system is one step in the right direction, two steps back, going by pure, objective math alone. So here's to hoping DE reverts those last two steps.

Everything comes down to if regarding both systems. We cannot say one was better than the other when both had similar flaws regarding how much value you actually get out of a pack. Adding plat to this system wouldnt make it better or worse compared to the old, it would make it the same or different depending on the player in question and what they need. Someone wanting specific things = Better, someone wanting say the Nekros accessories = Worse.

I dont think DE can make a system that makes everyone happy. Sure they could make everything 1 Raya and a $20 pack includes 2, but surely someone would complain about how a sugarta is worth as much as a syandana or an armor set at that point, or in the future a Necramech skin.

There are also those frames that will be cheaper in their accessory access, like Mirage, that would cost $20 for a single syandana and nothing else. And likely Loki aswell that probably had what would now be 2x 1 Raya accessories. So we get bad with the good and good with the bad.

[(PSN)Boomstickman98]

29 minutes ago, Numerikuu said:

In the technical sense/dictionary definition, it is an 'event' so to speak. In terms of how the gaming community views and are used to events actually being hosted, this most certainly isn't that kind of 'event'. Imo DE aren't technically wrong and deserve slack for that, but they defo made it seem more 'eventful' than delivered. It's basically just quick-fire unvaulting, with a little dash of hopeful whale-hooking.

Personally I feel the free path (while a little bumpy at first due to all the misinfo spread about, and I'm no saint in believing some of it 😂) was a good choice. It's also revived the open-worlds which is great! Most outrage regarding the free path seems to stem around people assuming that the drop rates are awful due to doing void capture. Spoilers: Of course they'd be awful. Void capture is drowning in various relics. Good luck getting the one(s) you specifically want if you go down that route. With them replacing unvaulted relics with Aya in bounties we can now pick and choose the exact unvaulted relics we want, and we no longer have to wait for bounty rewards to rotate to the relics we're after.

As for the Raya path... Imo prices need to either be reduced, or amounts of Raya increased. In their current state the value compared to Prime Access/unvaultings is godawful. A shame, as I was genuinely looking forward to being able to selectively pick n' mix, but not with those inflated prices/poor value, sheesh.

2 hours in Mot SURVIVAL and one Aya to show for it... 10% in C rotation supposedly and can drop multiple times? Yeah, nah. Something smells fishy here.

[Numerikuu]

Just now, (PSN)Boomstickman98 said:

2 hours in Mot SURVIVAL and one Aya to show for it... 10% in C rotation supposedly and can drop multiple times? Yeah, nah. Something smells fishy here.

That's a lot of potential rotation rewards to compete against.

For real, do open-world bounties. I got over 10 within 2 hours last night by doing Deimos lv40-60.

[(PSN)Boomstickman98]

4 minutes ago, Numerikuu said:

That's a lot of potential rotation rewards to compete against.

For real, do open-world bounties. I got over 10 within 2 hours last night by doing Deimos lv40-60.

yeah, bounties are def the way to go.

[Kingdom_key599]

1 minute ago, (PSN)Boomstickman98 said:

yeah, bounties are def the way to go.

Not a big bounty fan but I do agree, they are the fastest way to get them. when compared to the void.

[(PSN)Boomstickman98]

2 minutes ago, Kingdom_key599 said:

Not a big bounty fan but I do agree, they are the fastest way to get them. when compared to the void.

Trust me, i dont like them that much either. I kinda burned myself pushing so hard to max PoE, then Fortuna came out and I was like "Not this again..."

[(PSN)TONI__RIBEIRO]

10 minutes ago, (PSN)Boomstickman98 said:

Trust me, i dont like them that much either. I kinda burned myself pushing so hard to max PoE, then Fortuna came out and I was like "Not this again..."

 

 

And it won't be the last.

[ZabaYaga]

1 hour ago, SneakyErvin said:

Except they've already acknowledged it and answered.

By basically saying they will see if the sales-data backs up the feedback. Which it won't. You know why? Because the majority of people playing the game won't check to forums, they won't realize they are getting less value for their money. They don't realize they are being exploited completely. And just try to make people aware of it in public chat, no one will even try most likely because people have been banned for less.

They are knowingly exploiting people at this point and said 'they will keep it in mind next time'. They can absolutely change their prices, packs, or even offer a late compensation for people buying it. They just don't want to. Their acknowledgment of the feedback is literally a PR statement for damage-control.

[Hypernaut1]

29 minutes ago, ZabaYaga said:

By basically saying they will see if the sales-data backs up the feedback. Which it won't. You know why? Because the majority of people playing the game won't check to forums, they won't realize they are getting less value for their money. They don't realize they are being exploited completely. And just try to make people aware of it in public chat, no one will even try most likely because people have been banned for less.

They are knowingly exploiting people at this point and said 'they will keep it in mind next time'. They can absolutely change their prices, packs, or even offer a late compensation for people buying it. They just don't want to. Their acknowledgment of the feedback is literally a PR statement for damage-control.

Why should they have to come to forum or watch a YouTuber to form an opinion? People are perfectly capable of seeing the prices of regal aya and deciding if it's worth it's to them. 

[SneakyErvin]

47 minutes ago, ZabaYaga said:

By basically saying they will see if the sales-data backs up the feedback. Which it won't. You know why? Because the majority of people playing the game won't check to forums, they won't realize they are getting less value for their money. They don't realize they are being exploited completely. And just try to make people aware of it in public chat, no one will even try most likely because people have been banned for less.

They are knowingly exploiting people at this point and said 'they will keep it in mind next time'. They can absolutely change their prices, packs, or even offer a late compensation for people buying it. They just don't want to. Their acknowledgment of the feedback is literally a PR statement for damage-control.

And they arent allowed to change their pricing on their own product why exactly? What specific obligation do they have towards us regarding future product pricing?

I personally have no right to complain since I've had since 2017 to get these packs off and on with the old pricing and I havent. Whoopy-freakin-doo, I've got no one else to blame but myself if I really wanted all them extra goodies. And the same surely applies to others aswell, including some that complain.

As a wise man once said, if you snooze you lose.

[(XBOX)Demiwolf0606]

This regal aya is just a scam.  3 Regal aya for $20. Thats worth 370 platinum.  I would rather buy platinum since it is cheaper than waste 20 dollars trying to get one item

[SneakyErvin]

1 minute ago, (XBOX)Demiwolf0606 said:

This regal aya is just a scam.  3 Regal aya for $20. Thats worth 370 platinum.  I would rather buy platinum since it is cheaper than waste 20 dollars trying to get one item

How can you fail at getting the item? I mean really, straws of grass, really short and scarse at this point.

[(XBOX)Demiwolf0606]

 

9 hours ago, SneakyErvin said:

How can you fail at getting the item? I mean really, straws of grass, really short and scarse at this point.

wow. you know what i mean, i mean its rigged

[ZabaYaga]

26 minutes ago, Hypernaut1 said:

Why should they have to come to forum or watch a YouTuber to form an opinion? People are perfectly capable of seeing the prices of regal aya and deciding if it's worth it's to them. 

I have a hotdog stand with a bunch of people lining up.
I sell 100 hotdogs each $10 with a bun and ketchup, and then I decide to stop selling the hotdogs with the bun and ketchup because.. people are hungry right? They'll eat anyway.. I'll give them just the sausage. Maybe they will even give me $2 extra for the bun separately!

New customer comes in and orders a hotdog, I give him the hotdog on a toothpick and tell him that's $10.
Old customer noticed and goes 'Hold up, why is there no bread and ketchup with the hotdog? You're just selling a sausage on a stick!'

Should the old customer just have shut up and not said anything because 'new customer is perfectly capable of miraculously knowing what you usually get for that price?'

I think that good guy old customer just saved new customer from a scummy salesman. As only 5 minutes earlier I was selling the hotdog with a bun and ketchup. Hell, the buns are even still freshly stacked up on the counter.