Prime Resurgence Dev Workshop & FAQ

[[DE]Danielle]

29 minutes ago, lukaself said:

Although the event in itself is a nice idea to improve weekly engagement, Regal Aya is everything that's wrong with premium currencies: lack of transparency, confusing pricing - some of these price equivalences do not make sense and I've seen a few people going one step further and calling it a downright scam - honestly, I can't blame them for the hyperbole. The lack of liquidity of that premium currency also poses the age-old issue of fractional purchases which are considered abusive by the absolute majority of players: you never get exactly the currency you need to buy the item you want and it requires from the player to always buy currency in excess because you can only buy packs, as opposed to the Prime Access system where you pay exactly for what you get. Then there's the problem of unused Regal Aya (or Raya for short)... Let's say someone buys Raya, planning to purchase a specific Prime item... if for any reason they miss the -quite short- window, they'll be stuck with Raya they can't use?

I don't know about you, but if I pay real money for an in-game digital item, I strongly expect to get the item I paid for.

Don't hesitate to tell me If I'm reading anything wrong here, because Warframe has been the golden standard of coherent and non-abusive free-to-play monetization and to me this is moving multiple steps away from it. This is exactly the kind of changes I hoped not to see when I read about the acquisition news.

You are right! Fair free-to-play monetization is a priority for us, alongside free path access for things like Prime Parts via Relics, etc. But we absolutely understand the reactions to a new currency. The workshop does outline the why and what our intentions are with it - but we are taking in all feedback and will continue to answer questions as they come to expand on workshop writings. And we appreciate this kind of well-written and constructive post, so thank you!

Also, to answer your question about 'leftover Regal Aya'... You will still have the 2 week finale to look forward to where you can use your Regal Aya to purchase the items you might have missed out on during their scheduled rotations. Regal Aya will also absolutely not be stripped from accounts after the event. You bought it you keep it! So you'll be able to use it towards the evergreen items in Varzia's shop if you chose to. Otherwise it'll stay in your account. 

[(XBOX)MZ Type]

you guys should have not made the prime accessories only obtainable through a paywall, just make things like the edo prime armour set cost a high amount of regular aya, so much that a lot of people will just buy and you make money but also enough so that people like me who cant afford to be paying 14 pounds for literally 1 syandana can farm it

[InfernalSnail69]

1 час назад, PlanckZero сказал:

HUGE missed opportunity to give veteran f2p players something to actually do in this game for once. If you already have all the prime frames then this "event" offers absolutely nothing new but if I had the opportunity to earn primed accessories in game even if it meant grinding my ass off then I'd actually have a reason to play again instead of waiting and waiting and waiting and waiting for actual new content to drop.

devs want money, devs don't get anything if you are f2p, they are humans and want to eat too. 
I do not defend them, the "event" is terrible and pathetic, i just want to remind you that those people are here for business, not charity and free entertainment.

[(PSN)the1stjester]

I think they really over thought this.  There are currently 33 prime frames and 47 normal frames I believe. Feel free to correct me.  They should increase the amount of frames in the prime vault.  Instead of 2 per vault it should currently be 4 per vault.  That gets u through almost every frame in 2 yrs.  It could be split half older half newer primes.  Once u get to 40 prime frames u increase the vault to 5 primes causing the rotation to drop back to 2 yrs again. At 48 primes u increase the vault to 6 primes.  Etc... The vaults can be scheduled for 2 years at a times.

After typing this out, it might not be the best idea when u think about how bloated the drop tables would become.  Maybe someone can make it better.

[-Augustus-]

3 hours ago, (XBOX)drakolich21 said:

3 regal Aya at $20 gets you just 1 accessory set, but accessory packs at $20 also include 200p.

But, but, but eNdO iS vAluAbLE! Snort, chuckle.

Sure, if you've never heard of railjack, Vodyanoi, or aribitrations.

[_.-Toscany-._]

9 minutes ago, [DE]Danielle said:

Regal Aya will also absolutely not be stripped from accounts after the event. You bought it you keep it! So you'll be able to use it towards the evergreen items in Varzia's shop if you chose to. Otherwise it'll stay in your account. 

And when DE chooses that their non-commitment to the event is justifiable after many player purchases... Regal Aya is cancer Danielle. 

[(PSN)the1stjester]

1 hour ago, TheLexiConArtist said:

No amount of Endo is worth Platinum. Only suckers would buy the Platinum->Endo (or Plat->Credits) market items, to the point where the high roller credit bundle is a meme. That is very telling.

Agreed

[lukaself]

15 minutes ago, [DE]Danielle said:

You are right! Fair free-to-play monetization is a priority for us, alongside free path access for things like Prime Parts via Relics, etc. But we absolutely understand the reactions to a new currency. The workshop does outline the why and what our intentions are with it - but we are taking in all feedback and will continue to answer questions as they come to expand on workshop writings. And we appreciate this kind of well-written and constructive post, so thank you!

Also, to answer your question about 'leftover Regal Aya'... You will still have the 2 week finale to look forward to where you can use your Regal Aya to purchase the items you might have missed out on during their scheduled rotations. Regal Aya will also absolutely not be stripped from accounts after the event. You bought it you keep it! So you'll be able to use it towards the evergreen items in Varzia's shop if you chose to. Otherwise it'll stay in your account. 

While it doesn't address the core of my concerns, I imagine you're at least planning to greatly improve the selection of Evergreens? As a Veteran player I don't see myself buying a Burston Prime or a pair of Fang Prime with leftover Raya originally meant for a Misa Prime Syandana any time soon...

Thanks a lot for your answer! Warframe has been a longtime staple of my gaming life and I hope it stays that way for a long time to come.

[[DE]Danielle]

6 minutes ago, lukaself said:

While it doesn't address the core of my concerns, I imagine you're planning to greatly improve the selection of Evergreens? I don't see myself buying a Burston Prime or pair of Fang Prime with leftover Raya originally meant for a Misa Prime Syandana any time soon... and to be frank, I tried the Twitch prime stuff and it made me feeling like a walking purple billboard.

Thanks a lot for your answer! Warframe has been a longtime staple of my gaming life and I hope it stays that way for a long time to come.

This is why player feedback is so valuable, I can't promise changes out the gate with evergreens since the event hasn't run yet, but this is why Workshop postings are greatly beneficial, so we can get a sense of where players land. But again, concerns are noted! 

[Astral_AEther]

So...Any news about which Aya will be needed to get the Twitch Prime/Prime Gaming items ? 

[(PSN)aleleotta]

I hope this doesn't delay The New War until next year, because I see that it ends at the end of January.

[wizardeiges]

Is aya a guaranteed drop?  if it is a chance like holo keys then this is a hard pass. 

You mention trading relics for aya. " It is a resource that is exchanged for Void Relics" so does this mean we can directly trade and liquidate relics into aya, finally getting a usage for relics we don't care about? 

Twitch drops being added - does this include the dax bust statue? 

[apellsin]

Why does a set of armor cost the same as a whole set of accessories, which also includes platinum? It looks like a real scam. This whole event does not stick to the pricing policy that the game adhered to all this time.

[(XBOX)AMONGTHEWEAK]

21 minutes ago, [DE]Danielle said:

You are right! Fair free-to-play monetization is a priority for us, alongside free path access for things like Prime Parts via Relics, etc. But we absolutely understand the reactions to a new currency. The workshop does outline the why and what our intentions are with it - but we are taking in all feedback and will continue to answer questions as they come to expand on workshop writings. And we appreciate this kind of well-written and constructive post, so thank you!

Also, to answer your question about 'leftover Regal Aya'... You will still have the 2 week finale to look forward to where you can use your Regal Aya to purchase the items you might have missed out on during their scheduled rotations. Regal Aya will also absolutely not be stripped from accounts after the event. You bought it you keep it! So you'll be able to use it towards the evergreen items in Varzia's shop if you chose to. Otherwise it'll stay in your account. 

Or why not have a one way transaction with left over Regal Aya to buy platinum for those who have nothing else they may want to buy with their left over credits if the event ends up not being repeated in the future and only evergreen rewards are kept active. It would suck to be left with credits you can't use on anything else. 

[FuriousRat32]

They'd never let us exchange relics for aya 🤣

It just means your aya can be exchanged for (used to purchase) relics.

[Degaz3000]

8 minutes ago, wizardeiges said:

Is aya a guaranteed drop?  if it is a chance like holo keys then this is a hard pass. 

You mention trading relics for aya.  so does this mean we can directly trade and liquidate relics into aya, finally getting a usage for relics we don't care about? 

Twitch drops be added - does this include the dax bust statue? 

You use some Aya to buy one relic from the vaulted ones. So it will be a RNG chance for getting Aya, then the current RNG chance for getting the part you want from the relic.

[(PSN)westwharf59]

I think Prime Resurgence will be a great and spectacular event that will allow many users to expand their arsenal in preparation for the new war.

However, I have one important question. If I want to get the two Nekros Prime accessory items, the Uru Prime shandana and the Acanthus Prime armor, at Prime Resurgence, how much Regal Aya will I have to pay?
This is a question that also arises in other Prime frames that have Prime shandana and Prime armor.

If the two items both require 3 Regal Aya, then you will pay a total of 6 Regal Aya for the two accessories. Then I would have to buy the 7Regal Aya pack, which is twice the price of the Prime Vault accessory pack, in order to purchase these two items.
And after I get these accessories, I'm left with only 2 Regal Aya, the extra 1 Regal Aya from the 7 Regal Aya pack and the extra 1 Regal Aya, not the Platinum that can be used to buy the various in-game items that come with the two accessories in the Prime Vault accessory pack...

By the way, I know this is unlikely, but if I were to buy two 3Regal Aya packs for 6Regal Aya, I would have nothing left 🙃

[Zeliphar]

Is just a shame , for new player and veteran player and another time , veteran just wait another content, and for them (like me) who didn't buy the primes accessories and only FARM is just another sugar for bait the new's player "oh see , look at this PRIME ACCESSORIES"

For us ? PM 30+1 with all prime ? Oh just wait more. and more.

[Lokidus_Prime]

Most of this sounds great, but as many others have stated, the prices for the Regal Aya packs are way off.  The amount of regal aya should include platinum like the Prime Vault packs did and should give a little more regal aya than what's currently shown.  Also would be nice if there was something a little better in terms of the "evergreen" rewards to spend regal aya on.

[VoreoTheDragon]

I do hope you guys are listening to it being too expensive for what you're given. And that theres time to change pricing/quantity before it goes live
 

[SephirothWS]

I have to agree on the pricing part of things, without the platinum in the packs purchasable with paid-only currency, the value of these packs are far lower due to the inflated costs the packs are normally WITH the added platinum (AND Boosters, lets not forget the 90-day boosters...).

[Longbow73]

4 hours ago, (PSN)c1234567890alvi said:

Tbh? Not a big fan.

I mean the thought of bringing back the prime frames for new players is nice and all, but I have this hunch it will give prime trading the final blow and only riven trading will be left as a valid way to make decent platinum, since trade chat deflation in that regard is bad as is. Which also is a disadvantage for new players who need slots and catalysts.

Furthermore and this is crucial, it feels like a cheap way to introduce a new premium currency to the game. One that can NOT be earned. One of the main reasons why Warframe grasped my attention in the first place was the fact it wasn't scummy (the story about you guys getting rid of the pet slot machine to be precise). And the introduction of a new super premium currency sure feels like a step into the wrong direction, it feels like all the fears of Tencent taking over starts to take shape. If you fully embrace that way and build further on top of that Regal system, it will make a lot of players leave.

When some chinese overlord needs more money, slap him and tell him he has enough as is. Thank you.

Yes. This. An extra currency is not needed. Buying things with platinum is an investment, either a cash or a time investment, that earns you bragging rights through cosmetics or the size of your collection, or whatever you choose to spend it on. Adding another premium currency that can't be obtained via player trades and interactions is not a good move; it's a step in the wrong direction; the exact same direction so many other "free to play" games have gone. It's a slippery slope that I'm concerned about. 

Edit: I understand that Prime Accessories remaining pay-only might be a priority. But an extra in-game currency is not required. One could simply authorize the purchase of Prime Accessories as you would with Prime Access, and skip Regal Aya entirely.

[Tesseract7777]

This is a great idea. 

Perfect way to finally solve the problem once and for all of old primes being way too unobtainable for way too long. 

Well done, I am liking what I am seeing here. 

[AEP8FlyBoy]

The general idea of a new way to distribute long vaulted Primes and their accessories had to happen at some point, with how much are in the vault and are still waiting to come out, that much is sure. That sentiment alone I don't have a problem with, and the free/evergreen path is fine as always. But I do have something I'd like to point out.

On 2021-11-02 at 2:05 PM, [DE]Danielle said:

Let’s get into the specifics and price breakdowns (using USD as reference):

Taking the current Nyx Prime and Rhino Prime Vault pricing: 

• The Rhino Prime and Nyx Prime individual packs = 39.99 USD
• The Rhino Prime and Nyx Prime individual Accessories Pack = 19.99 USD
• The Dual Rhino Prime and Nyx Prime pack = 59.99 USD

The original pricing of the Dual Prime Warframe pack (for most unvaultings as far as I can remember) has been around $60 USD. (flat rate, no excess)

Why is the cost requirement going up by the amount of 33% when converting that into the new premium currency: Regal Aya?

On 2021-11-02 at 2:05 PM, [DE]Danielle said:

There are 3 Regal Aya packs available for purchase: 

• Regal Aya x3 = 19.99 USD
• Regal Aya x7 = 39.99 USD
  • Getting the value of 6 Regal Aya when purchasing two of the x3 pack, with a bonus Regal Aya.
• Regal Aya x15 = 79.99 USD
  • Getting the value of 14 Regal Aya when purchasing two of the x7 pack, with a bonus Regal Aya.

Meaning Regal Aya values equals to the same in the current Vault pricing:

• Purchasing a Prime Accessory Set = 3 Regal Aya or 19.99 USD
  • The same as an individual Accessories Pack.
• Purchasing a Prime Warframe individual pack = 6 Regal Aya or 39.99 USD 
  • The same as an individual Prime Vault Pack with the added 1 Regal Aya bonus if you purchase the x7 Regal Aya pack. 
• Purchasing a Dual Prime Pack = 10 Regal Aya or 79.99 USD 
  • The same as a Dual Prime Vault Pack with the added 5 Regal Aya bonus if you purchase the x15 Regal Aya pack.

Pay attention to the areas in bold here:

If you only want to purchase a single Dual Prime Warframe pack, you're already having to pay $20 USD more than in the old Prime Unvault system. And the way that the Regal Aya bundles are partitioned forces you to spend more money for what you want (if it is a Dual Prime WF Pack for ~10 Regal Aya), or forces you to buy the cheaper $40 USD Regal Aya pack twice with 4 Aya left over. Another possibility is that you could buy the x3 Regal Aya pack 4 times (with 2 left over, for $80 USD) if all you wanted was a single Dual Prime Warframe pack, but you'd still end up with some excess.

I don't really understand the mindset behind this. It'd make more sense to purchase the relics from the Resurgence shop with the freemium Aya and just farm the Prime Frames as always. Why the arbitrary x3, x7 and x15 values for these new Regal Aya Premium Currency packs? Why is the base price of a Dual Prime Warframe pack increasing from just $60 up to $80 dollars with the only upside being a bonus of Endo that you can already farm quite easily outside of any paid currency? What if you don't want Endo? Why the needless bloat?

Please rethink this part at least, or allow for exact purchase amounts of Regal Aya for those that only want 10 of them for a Dual Pack, instead of forcing them to end up having excess. It just reeks of greed to me to ask for more for content that isn't even new, with the only change being your way of reintroducing them.

I don't believe I'm misunderstanding this, as confusing as you attempted to make it.
Could the change in price be because you're replacing the 1200 Platinum bundled in with the $60 Nyx & Rhino Pack into something else? If that's the case:

On 2021-11-02 at 2:05 PM, [DE]Danielle said:

A Dual Prime Warframe Bundle in Prime Resurgence is valued at 10 Regal Aya and includes: 

• 2x Prime Warframe (6 Regal Aya) 
• 4x Prime Weapons (8 Regal Aya)
  • So you are getting a 4 Regal Aya discount. 
• 50k Endo (Bonus!)

Purchasing a Dual Prime Pack = 10 Regal Aya or  $79.99 USD (Bundled with 50k Endo)
The Dual Rhino Prime and Nyx Prime pack:          $59.99 USD (Bundled with 1200 Plat) -verifiable on Warframe.com

Does the 50k Endo justify the 20 more dollars you're paying for it in this new system? I don't think it does...
Because no matter which way you slice it:

4x packs of 3 Regal Aya: 80 Dollars
2x packs of 7 Regal Aya: 80 Dollars
1x pack of 15 Regal Aya: 80 Dollars

You're paying 20 dollars more, for objectively less valuable items.

[iPathos]

It's unfortunate that the reveal and first iteration of this idea has such a "rushed" feel while clearly having had some hard thought put into it. The idea of allowing (even if it is limited-time) access to lesser rotated or long-time-absentee Prime Vault items was a promising step in the right direction, but the execution, draw and initial proclamation around Aya as well as Regal Aya looks...confusing to say the least.

As multiple above have said, the return on Regal Aya packs is practically useless to anyone with any decent chunk of time already invested in the game - they appear to be directly targeted towards the newer end of the playerbase's spectrum. Endo loses all value in those packs when a player can even semi-reliably do Arbitrations, or consider the plat-to-endo ratio of trading for Anasa Ayatans (or simply just farming them from Sorties...) - that's not even beginning to mention that the amount of Regal Aya you gain for the price is very out of wack, especially for what's appearing to be a "trial of a new system" in effect.

As for Aya - unless the amount you get from each relic is astounding then it's just a faster/easier way for people to get Ducats (and maybe one or two cosmetics). It's still trading one currency for another, of which there is already an overwhelming abundance of ingame. It gives little incentive to new players and practically none to veterans. I would suggest something like adding forma blueprints to the Aya purchase list, but that doesn't address the remaining issue of its craft time either.

It feels like a heavy gravitation towards persistent rotation of a newer playerbase while almost snubbing the extant players. It's explained in a roundabout, misleadingly confusing manner and as I first stated feels like a step in the right direction, then immediately falling backwards and rolling down the staircase you've been climbing all the time. Frankly I think it's of poorer execution than Yareli's mishmash of abilities, along with the failure to have her signature pistol even slightly benefit from her passive (or having an innate passive when wielded by her like practically all other signature weapons) - it's really, really not a good look.