Prime Resurgence Dev Workshop & FAQ

[Longbow73]

2 hours ago, AEP8FlyBoy said:

The general idea of a new way to distribute long vaulted Primes and their accessories had to happen at some point, with how much are in the vault and are still waiting to come out, that much is sure. That sentiment alone I don't have a problem with, and the free/evergreen path is fine as always. But I do have something I'd like to point out.

The original pricing of the Dual Prime Warframe pack (for most unvaultings as far as I can remember) has been around $60 USD. (flat rate, no excess)

Why is the cost requirement going up by the amount of 33% when converting that into the new premium currency: Regal Aya?

Pay attention to the areas in bold here:

If you only want to purchase a single Dual Prime Warframe pack, you're already having to pay $20 USD more than in the old Prime Unvault system. And the way that the Regal Aya bundles are partitioned forces you to spend more money for what you want (if it is a Dual Prime WF Pack for ~10 Regal Aya), or forces you to buy the cheaper $40 USD Regal Aya pack twice with 4 Aya left over. Another possibility is that you could buy the x3 Regal Aya pack 4 times (with 2 left over, for $80 USD) if all you wanted was a single Dual Prime Warframe pack, but you'd still end up with some excess.

I don't really understand the mindset behind this. It'd make more sense to purchase the relics from the Resurgence shop with the freemium Aya and just farm the Prime Frames as always. Why the arbitrary x3, x7 and x15 values for these new Regal Aya Premium Currency packs? Why is the base price of a Dual Prime Warframe pack increasing from just $60 up to $80 dollars with the only upside being a bonus of Endo that you can already farm quite easily outside of any paid currency? What if you don't want Endo? Why the needless bloat?

Please rethink this part at least, or allow for exact purchase amounts of Regal Aya for those that only want 10 of them for a Dual Pack, instead of forcing them to end up having excess. It just reeks of greed to me to ask for more for content that isn't even new, with the only change being your way of reintroducing them.

I don't believe I'm misunderstanding this, as confusing as you attempted to make it.
Could the change in price be because you're replacing the 1200 Platinum bundled in with the $60 Nyx & Rhino Pack into something else? If that's the case:

Purchasing a Dual Prime Pack = 10 Regal Aya or  $79.99 USD (Bundled with 50k Endo)
The Dual Rhino Prime and Nyx Prime pack:          $59.99 USD (Bundled with 1200 Plat) -verifiable on Warframe.com

Does the 50k Endo justify the 20 more dollars you're paying for it in this new system? I don't think it does...
Because no matter which way you slice it:

4x packs of 3 Regal Aya: 80 Dollars
2x packs of 7 Regal Aya: 80 Dollars
1x pack of 15 Regal Aya: 80 Dollars

You're paying 20 dollars more, for objectively less valuable items.

it seems sus af. it's probably from tencent...

[wizardeiges]

45 minutes ago, Degaz3000 said:

You use some Aya to buy one relic from the vaulted ones. So it will be a RNG chance for getting Aya, then the current RNG chance for getting the part you want from the relic.

Where do you see someone from DE staff stated that aya is a chance drop? I've gone over the main post several times and didn't see it. Did they post somewhere else about it?

[iPathos]

2 minutes ago, wizardeiges said:

Where do you see someone from DE staff stated that aya is a chance drop? I've gone over the main post several times and didn't see it. Did they post somewhere else about it?

It does sound more like it'll be a similar system to Holokeys but with a guaranteed drop chance. Say; 1 for Lith, 2 for Meso, 3 for Neo, 4 for Axi or something to that effect.

[MobyTheDuck]

Everything but the pricing seems to be good, although it seems to only help newer players.

I just hope the Aya thing works as a BONUS and doesnt replaces actual drops on the drop tables. Good lord, I still cant bother to get holokeys because of this.

[iPathos]

1 minute ago, MobyTheDuck said:

Everything but the pricing seems to be good, although it seems to only help newer players.

I just hope the Aya thing works as a BONUS and doesnt replaces actual drops on the drop tables. Good lord, I still cant bother to get holokeys because of this.

It appears they intend to take in feedback about this, but the same was said about the aforementioned holokeys (as well as Yareli and the Ghoulsaw/Butcher's Revelry) - we saw how that went. 🤐

[Zeliphar]

feedback ? they never listen.

[TheLexiConArtist]

6 minutes ago, iPathos said:

It appears they intend to take in feedback about this, but the same was said about the aforementioned holokeys (as well as Yareli and the Ghoulsaw/Butcher's Revelry) - we saw how that went. 🤐

It's been going on for a while. Let us not forget the 'abilities on defense objectives' where we got the magic of non stacking flat health per second for objectives which can have health in the hundreds of thousands. And the gutting of Prot Dash as a utility tool for objectives.

 

Dev workshops now seem to be less about "give us feedback on this upcoming thing and we'll consider it" and more about "we basically have this upcoming thing set in stone, so hopefully someone will say something we can cherry-pick that doesn't require changing anything that actually matters."

[(XBOX)Obi Wan Dandobi]

Haven't seen such a bad own goal by DE since the mod drop chance / Khora Nekros nerf a couple of years ago.

It's a sad day for warframe as this has shown me the way this game is heading. I can only hope your PR team are on their game.

[Voltage]

I feel like it's disingenuous to replace Platinum with Endo in these purchases and claim the cost for the packs are "the same as Prime Vaults". It's simply not true and countless comments already show how obvious this is. Just because Platinum was a bonus like how Endo is here doesn't mean they share the same value. 200 Platinum can buy you a Legendary core with 50 Platinum to spare. Not to mention Endo has one use and Platinum has essentially infinite.

EDIT: I totally overlooked the fact you will be selling Burston Prime, Fang Prime, Lex Prime, and Braton Prime for the equivalent of ~$13.32 USD a piece. Like c'mon, this isn't even a good joke. Selling these Ducat fodder items for real money is purely a trap for new players. I hope you rethink this and change the cost to Aya instead of Regal Aya.

[iPathos]

2 minutes ago, TheLexiConArtist said:

It's been going on for a while. Let us not forget the 'abilities on defense objectives' where we got the magic of non stacking flat health per second for objectives which can have health in the hundreds of thousands. And the gutting of Prot Dash as a utility tool for objectives.

 

Dev workshops now seem to be less about "give us feedback on this upcoming thing and we'll consider it" and more about "we basically have this upcoming thing set in stone, so hopefully someone will say something we can cherry-pick that doesn't require changing anything that actually matters."

Hit the nail on the head there, I'm so jaded to it at this point that it's basically expected. (Not to give it a pass, just a saddening statement of such stated decline.)

[(XBOX)Gryphon2019]

1 hour ago, (PSN)aleleotta said:

I hope this doesn't delay The New War until next year, because I see that it ends at the end of January.

It will be released while the event is going on

 

 

 

 

 

[Mr.NoodleHair]

I'm all for this event. I'm on board with premium accessories being paid for and everything. DE is a company and they need to make money.

The one thing that concerns me, though, and gives me all sorts of icky vibes is the Regal Aya packs. 10 regal aya for Dual Warframe Bundle, but you can only buy either 7 regal aya or 15. Honestly makes me believe DE made the bundles in bad faith.

[[DE]Danielle]

Added clarity on Aya in FAQ section! 

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What is Aya and Regal Aya? 

These are the currencies that are used to purchase items from Varzia! 

Aya is an earned currency that is your free path to gaining Prime items through the in-game Relic system. It is a resource that is exchanged for Void Relics and other non-premium items available in Varzia’s wares. Aya is found in Missions (The Void or Bounties) or has a chance of appearing in Relic Packs available for purchase in the Market for Platinum or Syndicate Offerings for Standing.

Aya will be replacing Vaulted Relics in the Void and Bounties Drop Tables. In other words, where there was once a Vaulted Relic, there will now be 1 Aya instead. And that Aya can be traded in at Varzia to purchase Relics of your choosing during Prime Resurgence. 

The public Drop Tables will be updated on November 16th when the event begins to include Aya, so that you have all the information you need to plan your missions to Aya acquiring!

 

[Megalomaniakaal]

5 hours ago, Shadvox said:

Since the resurgence is lasting end of January 2022, is it safe to assume that the new war has been [DE]layed?

Better to be [DE]layed than to be [DE]Broken, I say!

[TheLexiConArtist]

Just now, [DE]Danielle said:

Added clarity on Aya in FAQ section! 

Unless relics are all going to require 1 Aya to purchase regardless of era, it seems unfair to replace all vaulted relics with one Aya in the table.

If they're all one, that's.. fair enough going forwards. But if an Axi relic costs 4 Aya while I get only one Aya from what would have been an Axi drop, that doesn't seem right.

 

Nevertheless, I do appreciate reduction in the many RNG layers when it comes to relics.

We still miss the days of having relevant, recent/new relics (not just dumped unvault relics) appear in Bounties so we could know exactly what we'll get when we needed to farm more. Please do more of this so relics aren't as terrible. The alphabet soup is bad enough.

[PlanckZero]

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The one thing that concerns me, though, and gives me all sorts of icky vibes is the Regal Aya packs. 10 regal aya for Dual Warframe Bundle, but you can only buy either 7 regal aya or 15. Honestly makes me believe DE made the bundles in bad faith.

Of course they did, you don't come up with a system THIS predatory without planning out stuff like this.

[Adversary]

Regal Aya is way too expensive to be a viable option for players.

May be common sense but if I buy a prime pack, it's for the accesories, which are not tradable/available through normal gameplay. One would imagine this event and Royal Aya may be a good way to get those accesories in a better deal, way cheaper than what current packs would cost you.

As of now Regal Aya gives you less rewards than a normal pack, at the same price. It's simply a stupidity to buy it at that price and goes against any logical way of thinking. Change the item values so that a prime accesory (including armor, glyphs, sugatras, syandanas...) have the same value and lower the price down and it would be something worth to consider buying.

Otherwise it's a waste of time.

But gg for being able to buy all the prime weapons/frames through normal gameplay, wish it was the same for accesories, which is what people actually want.

It'd actually be so simple to satisfy your playerbase, just 2 steps away of doing so, don't ruin it.

[Elion91]

Well I just hope this event brings down prices of some prime frames so I can buy them on Warframe.market. 

The pricing needs to be reworked. Usually when a item is sold for real money in a time-limited event, the price is much lower than regular. That's why it's a event and time-limited.

But here, Regal Aya is at least at the same price (which I respectfully disagree) as Prime Access. 

I can buy another Prime frame with that 200 plat, but endo wouldn't do much. Yes they are considered extra gift and not included in the price of the package, but having one gift significantly better than another one by a hundread miles is a little bit off wouldn't you agree?

[Dragoon]

36 minutes ago, TheLexiConArtist said:

Dev workshops now seem to be less about "give us feedback on this upcoming thing and we'll consider it" and more about "we basically have this upcoming thing set in stone, so hopefully someone will say something we can cherry-pick that doesn't require changing anything that actually matters."

Never have I agreed with something so much yet wish it wasn't true. I fervently, desperately hope they adjust these prices and exchange rates, but at the same time they know they're going to be able to scam some newbies into it so they're getting money either way.

It's disingenuous at best, and seeing the people excited about spending money on it is kind of sickening. I can handle the grind, we've all been handling grind for years. This is a flat out downgrade from prime accessory packs and more expensive to boot!

[Tesseract7777]

25 minutes ago, Dragoon said:

Never have I agreed with something so much yet wish it wasn't true.

I mean this entirely as constructive criticism, but I agree with the gist of this in regards to dev workshops. 

I wouldn't even mind if they were more accurately named, but I think from a critical analysis viewpoint, calling them "dev workshops", gives players a false expectation. 

If they instead announced it as "Sneak Peak", and offered it up for "minor technical critiques as we are too far along to change anything big", I think people would have a way different expectation. 

Instead, people spend weeks or months giving incredibly long and detailed feedback, and even if DE does think they had some really good ideas, when these dev workshops are announced, the upcoming content or changes are usually way past the development stage, they are in the "finishing touches" stage. 

So ask us for finishing touches, and don't confuse well meaning Tenno who waste tons of time on feedback that DE simply won't have time to implement even if they want to, at least not for the forseeable future. 

[(PSN)Papa_rika7]

Does that rotation change in a week?  And if that rotation changes, will it not be available until the next appearance?  If so it seems pretty short

[ABlindGuyPlays]

So what i see this as is a premium currency that not only is non tradeable but is effectively time limited in being able to buy things other than token affairs to say that the shop's open all year round.

No quest, no lore, nothing just 'here is your premium currency shop that will tank the currency that can be traded around by devaluing what that currency can buy.'

Feels like greed at work here. I could speculate on the cause, but... well. Considering people showing fear over business moves made got laughed out of the room here and by partners in the past? I'll keep my speculation to myself.

The reason this game never felt like a cash grab bullS#&$ affair was that you could trade the premium currency.

DE won't listen. Even if they had any desire to (hint: they don't, look how long it took people screaming to get the forma changes) there is the problem of this launching Next Week, way too late for any changes of merit to be applied. So, instead I ask, in very simple words and plain language.

"DE, What gives?"

[(XBOX)Architect Prime]

Two things: 

1 - This is a very nice change overall, but primes are too easily acquired in general. I've heard some say that the ones with available relics are easier to farm than the normal variants - which is odd to say the least.  Not much prestige there. 

2 - There is NOT prestige in items purchased for cash-only. Yes, I understand that you're looking for a way to justify monetizing that, but the reality is that it's closer to being an embarrassment. Why? Prime accessories are not earned and can even get people calling you pay-to-win. Without a free acquisition method, prime accessories will never be badges.

[Disrevoid]

I don't mean to be pessimistic about this, but this literally accomplishes nothing.

You could literally have just unvaulted the specific relics over the specified timeframes and nearly nothing would've changed, you've just added a layer of abstraction with the introduction of a new resource. Regal Aya also doesn't change anything because you could've just run each frame's normal prime vault and they would've had largely the same prices anyway. This is the same patch where you're trying to make the new player experience less awful right? Why are you making the relic system even harder to understand at the exact same time?

[(XBOX)Big Roy 324]

2 hours ago, [DE]Danielle said:

This is why player feedback is so valuable, I can't promise changes out the gate with evergreens since the event hasn't run yet, but this is why Workshop postings are greatly beneficial, so we can get a sense of where players land. But again, concerns are noted! 

I would say the general consensus would be to reduce the costs of Regal Aya or increase the amount given for purchase. 

My personal suggestion would be this

15 - 3 Regal aya

25 - 6 Regal Aya

50 - 15 Regal Aya

Or

20 - 4 Regal Aya

40 - 9 Regal Aya

80 - 20 Regal Aya

The reasoning would be a reduced cash to Regal Aya cost would encourage more interaction with the system.  As in if slightly cheaper more people will buy which will end up being more sales in the long run.