PSA: PC Minimum Supported Specs Changes Coming in April 2023

[Thorham]

On 2022-09-16 at 3:02 PM, SaintLucifer said:

Honestly this looks like lazyness by DE developers, look at "Path of Exile" for example, they got 3 client versions

Warframe has more than three clients.

[Silent_Storm]

 interesting, I need to update all the "iron" completely, where would I get so much money (((
 It looks like the end of the warframe era for me.
 It's a pity, since I remember it from the time of the closed Beta Test,
 but now I obviously don't have money to buy a new computer.
 Sorry, very sorry!

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[SizyKing]

В 07.09.2022 в 18:25, --i9-- сказал:

does the intel i9 10900k work for this? can someone tell me kekw

does the intel i99 99999k work for this? can someone tell me kekw)))

[Vincefeld]

Hey DE. I understand what you are getting at, but could you wait for like... i dunno until this whole war and corona nonsense is over?

Hardware prices isnt neccesarily been going down lately, or even stayed the same.

People got some more useful things to pay for rn, like gasbills etc.

Having legacy client version wont hurt nobody. even if its buggy or poorly supported its better than not being able to login at all

[Bearadactyl-Prime]

16 hours ago, Vincefeld said:

Hey DE. I understand what you are getting at, but could you wait for like... i dunno until this whole war and corona nonsense is over?

Hardware prices isnt neccesarily been going down lately, or even stayed the same.

People got some more useful things to pay for rn, like gasbills etc.

Having legacy client version wont hurt nobody. even if its buggy or poorly supported its better than not being able to login at all

Realistically this isn't going to negatively impact anyone unless they're running hardware of over a decade old, which realistically for most users would be nearing their end of life to begin with.

[taiiat]

2 hours ago, Bearadactyl-Prime said:

Realistically this isn't going to negatively impact anyone unless they're running hardware of over a decade old, which realistically for most users would be nearing their end of life to begin with.

1% of tens of Millions will still hit quite a few People. but it is what it is.

[Mystic_Ervo]

En 8/9/2022 a las 21:08, SDGDen dijo:

for those who don't know, the T410 looks like this:

I have one of those!!! That was my first laptop

[Petroklos]

For those whose hardware is too old and are worrying about being able to play Warframe when this change happens;

• You should really consider getting a new PC, as the initial cost will be eventually recouped by the significantly reduced power consumption and thus power bills.
• If you can't, which I absolutely understand, consider using GeForce Now or any equivalent free game streaming service until you can get newer hardware.
• If your internet connection can't support game streaming, you are indeed SOL. At this point may even consider buying a previous Gen Console, or an XBox Series S, but if you can't fit 10yo PC hardware in your budget, I doubt that a Console will fit either... Maybe your smartphone will be able to run Warframe Mobile when it launches.

[PsychicKitty]

Optimizations?

You mean down grades...I have those platforms and played warframe on them.  The graphics are horribly full of  dithering and you add blur to everything to mask that fact. 

Plus madatory fog and bubble view so you get slow downs from graphicsl effects thst mimic bad eye sight.

Distance view is lowered alot and their is huge synch and lag on very distant objects.  Ie you want to sniper...lmao..

So I expect if their are some of these changes...be prepared for enemies shooting at you on the plains of eidelon at super long range while you shoot back seeing nothing and not hitting anything because they are not loaded in...due to the optimizations.

True optimization does not need new hardware..

New hardware just let's you hopefully not have to program as much using chunkier non optimized code.

I shudder when I see this kind of post.

Edited September 26, 2022 by PsychicKitty

[taiiat]

2 minutes ago, PsychicKitty said:

Optimizations?

You mean down grades...I have those platforms and played warframe on them.  The graphics

good thing what they're talking about are CPU Instructions, which are for the CPU performance of the game. not Graphics. 

[Malikaith]

Le 06/09/2022 à 18:38, [DE]Danielle a dit :

If you’re still rocking a vintage machine that doesn’t support these instructions, you’ll see a warning in the Warframe launcher so you know it’s time for an upgrade. 

 

That's a smart way to handle it, ty

[Neadekvat...]

Жаль что вф идёт на покой на моём Q9400....

Edited September 30, 2022 by Neadekvat...

[MrExist777]

On 2022-09-06 at 6:38 PM, [DE]Danielle said:

PSA: PC Minimum Supported Specs Changes Coming in 2023

In 2023 (specific date TBD), we will be changing our minimum specs to require the following CPU features: SSSE3, SSE4.1 and SSE4.2*. 

*Your CPU must support SSE, SSE2, SSE3, SSSE3, SSE4.1, SSE4.2. 

These are CPU-instructions that were first added to processors like the Intel i7 860 (Nehalem microarchitecture released in 2008) or the AMD FX-4170 (Bulldozer microarchitecture released 2011). As you can see, even computers that are a decade old support these features so you probably have nothing to worry about! 

If you’re still rocking a vintage machine that doesn’t support these instructions, you’ll see a warning in the Warframe launcher so you know it’s time for an upgrade. 

These changes will finally let the PC version of the game get optimizations we’ve had on the Xbox and PlayStation versions for years and will make it easier to do more optimizations, since  all developers will be using them all day every day (as opposed to only when testing on some consoles). 

In true minspec PSA style, we want to give our PC Tenno a very early heads up. While 2023 is still a ways away, we don’t want any surprises when it comes time to implement these changes. In addition to the Launcher warning, we will post another PSA as a follow up to this one once we have a date to share of the updated minspec. 

Thank you, Tenno! 

   I hope you guys add cross save/play before that (apologies if I've missed a big announcement about this subject). I really don't want to lose my current progress, and I currently can't afford a new CPU. Worse comes to worst, I can restart on my PlayStation, but I'd really rather not. Help a poor guy out.

 

   With a request for help,

Mr. Exist

[Myscho]

8 hours ago, MrExist777 said:

   I hope you guys add cross save/play before that (apologies if I've missed a big announcement about this subject). I really don't want to lose my current progress, and I currently can't afford a new CPU. Worse comes to worst, I can restart on my PlayStation, but I'd really rather not. Help a poor guy out.

 

   With a request for help,

Mr. Exist

Crossplay is already being tested, yesterday was short test between Xbox and PC players

[UmbraAtrox]

  

On 2022-09-23 at 9:03 AM, taiiat said:

On 2022-09-23 at 6:16 AM, Bearadactyl-Prime said:

Realistically this isn't going to negatively impact anyone unless they're running hardware of over a decade old, which realistically for most users would be nearing their end of life to begin with.

1% of tens of Millions will still hit quite a few People. but it is what it is.

 

1% of 53k is 530 people (if you want to be generous double that to include non-steam PC players)

https://steamcharts.com/app/230410

Edited October 1, 2022 by UmbraAtrox
Added quoted quote for context

[taiiat]

4 hours ago, UmbraAtrox said:

1% of 53k is 530 people (if you want to be generous double that to include non-steam PC players)

https://steamcharts.com/app/230410

if you really wanted to make that sort of Calculation, you'd want Monthly unique Users.
which can be easily assumed to be atleast 7 Digits.

[UmbraAtrox]

5 minutes ago, taiiat said:

if you really wanted to make that sort of Calculation, you'd want Monthly unique Users.
which can be easily assumed to be atleast 7 Digits.

ok, how many do you think are affected? your best guess. How  many people playing warframe rock a 10-15 year old cpu and cant afford to put aside 20$ every month for 10 months or so until the requirement drops?

Edited October 2, 2022 by UmbraAtrox

[taiiat]

2 minutes ago, UmbraAtrox said:

ok, how many do you think are affected?

about 1% would be a reasonable expectation. the expectation i already made because it was roughly what to expect.

[UmbraAtrox]

2 minutes ago, taiiat said:

about 1% would be a reasonable expectation.

I asked how many people, not how big of a fraction they represent. no point in repeating the same number. 

 

in any case, i think 1% is negligible, i also think who can not afford 20$/month probably has bigger problems than some videogame dropping support for their ancient hardware

[taiiat]

Just now, UmbraAtrox said:

in any case, i think 1% is negligible

was that ever in contest? yes, it's a negligible Ratio compared to the Playerbase. and obviously hence why this is actually happening at all.
is it still a notable Number of People due to the size of the Playerbase? yes.
does that mean it should or is going to stop? no.

 

 

rather than this babble, i'd much rather focus on conveying meaning and offering avenunes of solution to those that are affected, should any wish to receive it - i'll wait for if any do.

[UmbraAtrox]

8 minutes ago, taiiat said:

rather than this babble, i'd much rather focus on conveying meaning and offering avenunes of solution to those that are affected, should any wish to receive it - i'll wait for if any do.

you mean like this or this or this or this? I am willing to work with anybody, but if they not willing then i can't help. 

[PsychicKitty]

 

Hate to say this DE.....

until you guys get the battery manufacturers to create solid state batteries or ones that last longer then a few hours per charge.

This is a pretty bad idea.

Phones right now cant handle it they are built to be obsolete with cheap materials that melt.

You might want to slow on some of this needing higher end stuff....since the liquid processors wont be arriving until the 2030s...and the super IO cold ram will be about 5 years later.

 

 

On 2022-09-26 at 8:32 PM, taiiat said:

good thing what they're talking about are CPU Instructions, which are for the CPU performance of the game. not Graphics. 

Good thing that's what those instructions do to make it so the graphic cards and sound cards do not have to be used.

Yeah on a good machine

You don't need instructions hard coded for the processor to run sound or graphics...that is not its job.....maybe on a phone it is needed.

 

 

 

 

[taiiat]

34 minutes ago, PsychicKitty said:

Good thing that's what those instructions do to make it so the graphic cards and sound cards do not have to be used.

Yeah on a good machine

You don't need instructions hard coded for the processor to run sound or graphics...that is not its job.....maybe on a phone it is needed.

you ping me a Month later only to double down on being in over your Head
why even waste someone elses' time.

 

and this is the least significant for Phones, they're Emulating all of it to begin with since they aren't x86 native. 

[GangliaGhost]

Idk why this is an issue for many people since...like if you are able to run anything newer than windows 7 and have a machine less than a decade old you should be ok.

However, I did see an article recently talking about Proton helping run older games with finicky hardware issues. It probably doesn't work the other way around, but it might be worth looking into.

[Kourinn]

I feel sorry for those with unsupported hardware and economic situations that make upgrading difficult, but statistically, that should not be a significant enough portion of the player base to pressure DE to revert their decision.

Current minimum specs require SSE3. Steam survey, October 2022, suggests 99.55% CPUs have this. The new requirement is SSE4.2. Steam survey suggests 99.05% CPUs have this. So only 0.50% of steam users may be negatively affected, while 99.05% may be positively affected.

If we assume the active player base is around 50 million, around 250 thousand people may be affected negatively. So it really may affect thousands of players; however...

If you add the economic situation, for which this group is unlikely to monetarily support DE, then this business decision makes sense. As unfortunate as this is, it is logically sound for a business. I'm sorry for your loss.

https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/Steam-Hardware-Software-Survey-Welcome-to-Steam