Ganpot Posted November 20, 2013 Share Posted November 20, 2013 I know this was brought up on the latest live-steam, but I couldn't clearly hear whether this would be implemented (and the reasons why). If anyone does know what the devs said on the live-stream, please inform me. For now, I'll assume DE has decided to not create Prime versions of the alternate helmets, so that I can argue the point. Let's begin: Alternate Helmets Offer Statistical Advantages Many helmets don't really give much of a benefit (and some helmets offer negative effects). However, there are some extremely useful and powerful alternate helmet bonuses. Vanguard (for Rhino) comes to mind immediately. DE might regret ever giving helmets stats in the first place, but the damage is already done. Non-Prime Helmets On A Prime Warframe Look Terrible I'm fairly confident that most people will agree that equipping a normal alternate helmet onto a Prime warframe looks terrible. You can cover it up somewhat by adopting a Prime-like color scheme, but it still doesn't mesh well. For a game in which players can invest significant money in order to customize their cosmetic appearance, that is a crippling weakness. Primes Are Therefore Worse Than Standard Warframes Based on the two above facts, Prime warframes are actually worse than regular warframes once maxed out. Either players must choose to either look terrible or sacrifice efficiency. Very few people are going to willingly play as Rhino Prime if they have to give up the Vanguard helmet. Additionally, if a player doesn't like the look of the Prime's default helmet, he/she is stuck with it anyway (as opposed to the 3 choices currently given for regular warframes). Alternate Helmet Sales Will Diminish As Primes Become More Widespread Because alternate helmets will probably see less use on Primes warframes, helmet sales should diminish as more Prime warframes become available. The only helmets which won't see reduced sales are those that offer extremely good statistical advantages. The new stat-less helmets will be among the worst off. If a Nova Prime ever comes out, the Quantum helmet will have nothing to offer whatsoever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haldos Posted November 20, 2013 Share Posted November 20, 2013 It was said that the prime default helmets are supposed to be the best of the best. There will be no alternates for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiBBz Posted November 20, 2013 Share Posted November 20, 2013 are you sure you watched the livestream , im pretty sure they said "There wont be prime alt helmets because prime warframes are the Earlie prototype warframes that what we have today" dunno about you but prime warframes are fine the way they are , no need to go adding more alternative helmets to something we all ready worked our buts off for Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAFIRE Posted November 20, 2013 Share Posted November 20, 2013 are you sure you watched the livestream , im pretty sure they said "There wont be prime alt helmets because prime warframes are the Earlie prototype warframes that what we have today" dunno about you but prime warframes are fine the way they are , no need to go adding more alternative helmets to something we all ready worked our buts off for agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xbansheex Posted November 20, 2013 Share Posted November 20, 2013 squall frost prime, the ladies love him, the little tenno loves him blue fan, gold trims, black base, awesome, sexy and powerful personal pref then the original Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlienOvermind Posted November 20, 2013 Share Posted November 20, 2013 Ex Prime's and Mag Prime's colors should be adjusted to normal frame's colors. Their colors are more saturated, and that's why alt helmets looks so weird on them. Frost Prime's colors are just the same as normal Frost's colors, and alt helmets looks perfectly okay for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ganpot Posted November 20, 2013 Author Share Posted November 20, 2013 are you sure you watched the livestream , im pretty sure they said "There wont be prime alt helmets because prime warframes are the Earlie prototype warframes that what we have today" As I alluded to in the OP, I couldn't clearly hear them say that (the volume was much lower in general for this live-stream, and that section especially so for some reason). It was said that the prime default helmets are supposed to be the best of the best. There will be no alternates for them. Well that's disappointing. It's also kind of weird logic, considering that even the most high-quality items usually have variations. Couldn't the same excuse be given for not allowing players to re-color Prime warframes, because their default color schemes are the "best of the best"? I'm not trying to sound hostile or anything, but that isn't much of a valid answer in my opinion. Especially when this issue can negatively impact art design, and gameplay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drakontis Posted November 21, 2013 Share Posted November 21, 2013 Easy solution for recoloring 3/4 of the current primes and using helmets, use the skin. I just did it with both Mag and Excal prime and it covered up their trims and in general looks great with alternate helms. (The Headphone helmet for Mag Prime and the Arthur helmet for Excal Prime. ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishki88 Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 (edited) Why not release alternate helmets for Prime Warframes? Would create more diversity and $$$ Obviously the new Rhino Prime default helmet has caused some dis,,,,ease. So how about drinking some beer and creating alternate prime helmets? Plus I know they are tied up with more important matters but I think it's time for new helmets for ALL of the Frames... P.S. Aim for the skies....what about alternate Grineer/Corpus helmets :3 Edited March 5, 2014 by Noogums Edited out fan-art Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orbister Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 except the last 2, crow and zephyr, all the others look really ugly and amateur, and rhino prime has not even been released and you already want an alternate helmet?... give it a try at least... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phoenix86 Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 they need to split stats from aesthetic, it has been said 304823094802980394583049853409 TIMES but DE are not listening to such SIMPLE REQUEST! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishki88 Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 (edited) except the last 2, crow and zephyr, all the others look really ugly and amateur, and rhino prime has not even been released and you already want an alternate helmet?... give it a try at least... I never voiced my personal opinion or feelings about Rhino Prime. Feedback from the forum has been one-sided in regards to his Prime helmet. So I suggested an idea for now or the future. It's hard calling those artist drawing "amateur" when people make comments such as.."His helmet looks like he headbutted a void key" when referring to an experienced DE artist....hm? Opinions..oh opinions.... Edit: Also when you draw something from pure imagination, there has to be a base. And the first 3 helmets in my opinion have a good base drawing to expand on. They are not "amateur." Personally I feel DE have strayed away from "Sleek" designs and ventured off into the abstract and weird world. I would like for the next frame, weapon....to keep the balance of abstract and sleek. Example Sleek = Mag/Rhino Abstract = Zeph/Oberon/Nova's last helmet Sleek = Braton Prime Abstract = Brakk Edited March 5, 2014 by Ishki88 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orbister Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 (edited) I never voiced my personal opinion or feelings about Rhino Prime. Feedback from the forum has been one-sided in regards to his Prime helmet. So I suggested an idea for now or the future. It's hard calling those artist drawing "amateur" when people make comments such as.."His helmet looks like he headbutted a void key" when referring to an experienced DE artist....hm? Opinions..oh opinions.... I do not think the new rhino prime helmet is ugly i like it, and i dont like those amateur designs, except off cours crow, that is an impressive piece and also the zephyr one, you can tell the difference by the usage of ligthing, shadows, perspective, anatomy, amateur is not an insult, amateur means that the work was probably done by someone not a high level of technique and expertisse... i think any real artist, i mean any person who has studied art and/or worked as an artists would notice the difference, a good design does not rely of "more horns" or "more wings" or "add fire to the sword". Edited March 5, 2014 by Orbister Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishki88 Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 (edited) Vespa > Crows Just saying...your talking about shadows..lighting...and anatomy..well..he basically brushed off anatomy by applying brushstrokes to it's legs and feather...thingies...and he chose to sacrifice detail by using brushstrokes in the arms and body too.....just saying.....can't really argue anatomy since he didn't draw it's whole body....lighting....isn't really an argument....every picture focus of light is in the front..and they have no background images meh edit: I'll agree on Zeph..that is FREAKING perfection.....but Vespa is Kreygasm also Edited March 5, 2014 by Ishki88 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soulie Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 Vespa is my fav. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tulzscha Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 Moved to the proper section. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noogums Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 Merged Ishki's topic into a pre-existing one, and edited the pictures out.DE probably has many ideas, and I'm sure they've seen most if not all those images, they're just cluttering the thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Create an account or sign in to comment
You need to be a member in order to leave a comment
Create an account
Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!
Register a new accountSign in
Already have an account? Sign in here.
Sign In Now