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Equinox clones also become ammo consuming.
This is obviously inconsistent with the official statement that only Wukong is adjusted. 
Equinox body numerical value already is not good,this behavior affecting Equinox is unacceptable.

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8 minutes ago, 02_Rem said:

This is obviously inconsistent with the official statement that only Wukong is adjusted. 

Huh? Umbra spends ammo too. The change seems pretty consistent. And this game could use more consistency. For example, with buffs (additive vs multiplicative) or with LoS check.

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Better to have consistently between Warframes rather than making it inconsistent. 

I agree with the change that Duality Clone should also consume ammo similar to Celestial Twin.

There are many other inconsistencies I'd love to see fixed first before this consistency is looked at again.

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THHHHHHHIIIIIIISSSS THANK YOU. Not only does the duality clone waste ALL AMMO ( OUR AMMO ) immediately but then it doesn't look for new ammo pickups as stated that clones would do. Unsure if that was just index since ammo is different there but it is really annoying that he not only wastes all the ammo but then won't pick any up AND has a very short duration on top of all that. Makes it absolutely worthless =( 

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I'd rather see them double down and treat all offensive specters the same. Infinite Ammo is only the surface of problems with them essentially playing for you. 

Let's be honest, nobody uses these except when they want to replace a player.

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21 час назад, XHADgaming сказал:

Better to have consistently between Warframes rather than making it inconsistent. 

I agree with the change that Duality Clone should also consume ammo similar to Celestial Twin.

There are many other inconsistencies I'd love to see fixed first before this consistency is looked at again.

Neither umbra or wukong have a duration . What about this consistency? 

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11 hours ago, BR31 said:

Neither umbra or wukong have a duration . What about this consistency? 

Pretty fair point, especially given the extremely short duration of duality, it merits some sort of upside. Doesn't the duality clone do like way more damage though? Like a lot?

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1 hour ago, Skaleek said:

Pretty fair point, especially given the extremely short duration of duality, it merits some sort of upside. Doesn't the duality clone do like way more damage though? Like a lot?

I don't know about Umbra, but even pre-nerf Twin was worse at killing things than Duality, AFAICT.  However, like all the minions, it has issues with using its weapons productively, and this is  compounded by its short lifespan. 

I do think its lifespan and the need for an augment make it weaker than it should be. But it should probably stay consistent with the other specters in terms of ammo mechanics.

Personally I think giving it a marking mechanic like the Twin and being able to add to its duration through Equinox's own kills (with a CD or a cap) would be fun.

On 2022-10-03 at 2:13 PM, LadyAnime said:

Not only does the duality clone waste ALL AMMO ( OUR AMMO ) immediately but then it doesn't look for new ammo pickups as stated that clones would do. Unsure if that was just index since ammo is different there but it is really annoying that he not only wastes all the ammo but then won't pick any up

I couldn't say about Index, but it is picking up ammo in the Sim.

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I still strongly dislike that the celestial twin and the duality specter use my ammo, Umbra I'm more okay with because he isn't a separate summon and is actually using your weapons. I'm fine with them using ammo but christ just give them their own pool so I'm not punished when the spectre AI does the following:

  • fail to make a LOS check to an enemy and shoot into a wall/column or other obstruction
  • shoot at enemies outside of the range of their weapon (beam weapons are really bad for this)
  • unload multiple shots into the same enemy when the first shot killed them.

Spectres using my ammo just means I don't get to use them because If I want to tactically save my ammo for a time of my choosing the spectres are a major detriment. Duality means you have to switch to whatever weapon you don't want them to burn through the ammo on before activating and celestial twin can't be summoned at all when you are preserving ammo because if you are using your pistol to save primary ammo it will burn through all your primary ammo without a care in the world. Give. them. their. own. damn. pools.

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