The AOE debacle makes me embarrassed to play Wukong

[Ne0nRunner]

Seeing everyone trash on Wukong due to the actions of an annoying minority of players, while understandable, is frustrating as someone who loved using Wukong early on in the Star Chart. I always loved the versatility of his kit and using the twin to back me up when playing solo was a ton of fun. I never really used him for AFK farming or anything, mostly to make playing solo more bearable, since lagging behind MR30s with Kuva Zarrs nuking everything on the map was never my cup of tea. Kind of a shame that a frame's reputation can get ruined by an annoying faction of the playerbase.

[gamingchair1121]

same lol I have a meme build with terrify over his 2 to armor strip for his 4 but the community has just completely ruined his reputation

[Pakaku]

If you're not spamming, I couldn't care less. My scorn is still mainly aimed at speed Volts, not Wukongs

[Hello]

Wukong never bothered me as much as just people mindlessly spamming the AoE weapons on their own. 

Although, similar to Pakaku. Speed Volts will always be the #1 thing I hate in this game and also the main reason why I stick to solo now. It's either solo or abort every mission a Volt (or Wisp) is in, I chose the solo route.

[(XBOX)TehChubbyDugan]

I've never liked the idea of other people getting all haughty over your loadout choices, or boxing you in with a specific group of people because you also use the gear they use.  The only time I ever use Wuclone as an "afk" type tool was if I was leveling an amp.  Clone is still doing stuff, I'm also doing stuff with my amp, no one can accuse me of straight leeching on Hydron.  Wasn't even an every time thing.  When I ran Wukong, the clone was out for extra damage, but I was always doing work, and I never liked the idea of "only bring a primary so that you and the clone are both spamming primary."  Half the time I had the staff out anyway, because it's nowhere close to as bad as people make it out to be.

I had the same feeling as OP when the Saryn nerfs.  they were nerfs. "rework" hit.  A lot of people would use a cheesy mechanic where you could cast spores on molt, break them, and spread them to the whole map without moving and basically map wipe from a fixed location.  I hated that playstyle.  Saryn had an unlisted mechanic (that I wish they would put on another frame.) where if you had spores on an enemy and hit that enemy with toxin damage, a portion of that damage would get transferred to every other enemy with spores in a wide radius.  Modding for toxin and also having toxic lash, you could aggressively map wipe while on the move, very much not AFK.  When I defended old Saryn and complained about the new mechanics after the rework, everyone accused me of wanting to AFK.  The new mechanics are way more hands-off than the old way I played her.  I was never AFK.  But everyone wanted to stick me in the box with the cheesy molt casters, simply because they didn't even know that mechanic was a thing.

[Pizzarugi]

It wasn't an "annoying minority" of players, OP. Pablo shared a warframe usage chart and Wukong was far above everything else by a significant margin.

 

[Tiltskillet]

31 minutes ago, Ne0nRunner said:

Seeing everyone trash on Wukong due to the actions of an annoying minority of players,

It's a tiny, annoying minority of players who will trash somebody just because of the frame they play.  Play who you want.

9 minutes ago, Pizzarugi said:

It wasn't an "annoying minority" of players, OP. Pablo shared a warframe usage chart and Wukong was far above everything else by a significant margin.

I think they're referring to the minority of Wukong players who were using him for afk and quasi-afk strats and leeching.  I have no doubt these were a small fraction who had a disproportionate affect on how WK players are perceived and the nature of the nerfs that came down.

[Ne0nRunner]

11 minutes ago, Tiltskillet said:

I think they're referring to the minority of Wukong players who were using him for afk and quasi-afk strats and leeching.  I have no doubt these were a small fraction who had a disproportionate affect on how WK players are perceived and the nature of the nerfs that came down.

Yeah that's what I meant, my bad.

[o0Despair0o]

Meh, I've been gone for half a year (and probably gonna leave again within a few days because there's still no good new content), so I have no idea what's going on.

 

But whatever it is, if it means that monkey boy got shelved, that's good news to me.

[trst]

Play whatever you want, the anti Wukong complaints were centered around a specific playstyle. So long as you're not engaging with that, or doing something else disruptive, any complaints others might make are just them being toxic.

[Skoomaseller]

ignore them and play what you want however you want

[0_The_F00l]

You really shouldn't care about what other players think.

It will only reduce your enjoyment of the game.

[Pasadena]

Me on the other hand I'm having a heck lot of fun with Wukong stick builds now because of how fluid the combos are and the extra vortex is just a cherry on top. I really recommend you to try it, it's the best stupid fun I've had playing Wukong in a long while. 

[(PSN)haphazardlynamed]

Funny Enough

it's the opposite for me

I'd been mainly focusing on Saryn for nuking Steel Path

but after the AoE/Wukong nerfs I've been trying to find ways to exploit Wukong just for spite

 

 

[ReddyDisco]

Wukong's abilities aren't disruptive as much as the zarr launcher filling the screen with particle confetti, an annoying ability is volt speed spam, by the time you backflip the volt has spammed it 3 more times

[George_PPS]

1 hour ago, Pizzarugi said:

It wasn't an "annoying minority" of players, OP. Pablo shared a warframe usage chart and Wukong was far above everything else by a significant margin.

 

What's the next items to nerf just because they are too good? The chart can also be interpreted as there are some frames that need serious buffs! Massive player base exodus shows this is a terrible way to balance by cancelling what's the best and the most fun. Pre-nerfed Wukong was the gold standard of what many warframes should be like. Instead, it's killed. You must be happy. What next?

[(PSN)slightconfuzzled]

Just personally speaking, on how I view such interactions, but I think its good to create a layer of separation. What I mean by that, is that I never judge or prejudge other players or individuals, based on certain preferences or choices. For example, what characters or weapons they use in a video game. Sure, I can be aware of greater context, and certain variables, and sometimes form quick or surface level thoughts, assumptions... Like... If I load into a Tridolon and see a MR L2 Volt, Trinity/Wisp, Volt, I may assume that the fight will be relatively quick, where as if its a MR 4 to MR 7 range, Rhino, Wukong etc I might assume it will be slower (but I won't cast negative aspersions, I like helping out newer players, also, the Volt and Trinity players may be high MR but inexperienced and new to Eidolons, so might be slow, but also great for helping). 

I don't judge people on their choices, because I don't want to be judged for my choices either. What I do judge, and what I do care about, isn't tied to any Warframe or weapon choice, its behaviour, and attitude based. Is this person elitist or passive aggressive? Do they get irrationally angry and upset at others, and cause drama? 

I've meet friendly players behind every kind of Warframe. Friendly and chill Grendel mains, Wukong mains, Mesa mains, Octavia mains, Nidus mains, Zephyr mains, Mag mains, people who don't main, but flex a lot etc. Some Warframes, for certain reasons, can acquire a bad reputation, but even then, its really important people don't use that as an excuse to overgeneralise the whole of the player behind that Warframe. Also, distinguish between inexperienced and unsure players who are unaware and players who are actually trying to troll/leech or some other negative type behaviour. On some maps, Defence, etc a Slowva can be... can make the mission take much longer. Frost globe as well, can be a hindrance. Always good to offer friendly and patient advice to those players than assume they are trolls trying to annoy people. Usually its their response that quickly clarifies what they are. 

Basically, I don't think you should feel embarrassed to play Wukong. Not all Wukong players are the same. Layers of separation. If you encounter people who so easily lump you in, with over generalisations, that incidentally, might say more about them, and their habits, then anything negative towards you. 

[EdinaMonsoon]

wukong mains don't bother me, if i catch one AFK farming somewhere when their cooperation is needed (arbi, SP etc), i'll call them out or report them and if they cloud zoom ahead, i know they'll bump into a friendship door soon lol

if they start getting mouthy cus i'm not as fast as their cloud, just tell them to go away and play solo

[(PSN)robotwars7]

6 hours ago, Ne0nRunner said:

Kind of a shame that a frame's reputation can get ruined by an annoying faction of the playerbase.

don't let those people get you down.

my preferred frame of choice is Rhino, who has nearly always had a reputation for being a noob's frame, which to some extent is true because he's one of the first frames you can farm and he can, once modded with the basics, carry someone through the entire starmap and allow less skilled players to survive better against tougher enemies. that said, I've been playing for years and still use him often because his kit is simple and versatile enough for the vast majority of game modes; as long as you're contributing to the squad and getting things done, the methods you use don't really matter.

[GovernmentSecrets.gov]

Nothing wrong with playing how you like. Use what you think is fun.

"Walk softly and carry a big stick" and Wukong sure has a big stick.

[Slayer-.]

6 hours ago, trst said:

Play whatever you want, the anti Wukong complaints were centered around a specific playstyle. So long as you're not engaging with that, or doing something else disruptive, any complaints others might make are just them being toxic.

 

[BR31]

I only don't like leeches and gameplay trolls in warframe. Complaining on anything else is alien to me. 

[MutoManiac]

Wukong is still meta in a lot of missions. The people who complain about Wukong are bitter not fun types who you should ignore. If you listen to these types, you wouldn’t have ammo, energy or shields, cause they like level 20 missions. They also like to tell you in-game how to do nothing and camp in most survival/defense missions, but then call you brain dead because you like Wukong. Since his staff is now good again, you can still run him with just a primary and switch to staff or secondary if you run out of ammo. I’ve been having fun trying out different frames, but Wukong is still the best one for me. Using Xata’s Whisper or Roar on his 3 makes fighting the archons better. Enjoy your monkey, FTW.

[GREF_TM]

Don't be. You don't see mesa players being ashamed of playing her, for example, as there's nothing wrong with picking a frame with good ability kit. After all, this game's key feature is exactly that - warframes and their abilities, so it's only natural to play a frame with good ones.

8 hours ago, Pizzarugi said:

It wasn't an "annoying minority" of players, OP. Pablo shared a warframe usage chart and Wukong was far above everything else by a significant margin.

And he still be after nerfs. Most of what made him good is still around. Clone had pretty dumb AI anyway.

2 hours ago, --Councilor_Vay_Hek-- said:

and Wukong sure has a big stick.

What stick? Oh, you mean his free subsume slot? 😂

DE definitely made all exalteds minus the desert wind dirty in melee 2.9, and iron staff got hit the hardest. That was a sad day in a history of monkekind.

[--END--Rikutatis]

9 hours ago, Pakaku said:

My scorn is still mainly aimed at speed Volts, not Wukongs

 

9 hours ago, Hello said:

Although, similar to Pakaku. Speed Volts will always be the #1 thing I hate in this game and also the main reason why I stick to solo now. It's either solo or abort every mission a Volt (or Wisp) is in, I chose the solo route.

You can backflip to opt out of Volt's speed. 

As for OP don't let haters bother you in public squads. Play what you want. It's up to DE to fix the public squad experience when needed. And players can go solo or recruit if they want to avoid specific things.