Hardwood Posted October 4, 2022 Posted October 4, 2022 I don't support the Wukong contingent because they are such little babies but I genuinely don't understand why DE or anyone else cares how they play. In ten years I have never cared what my teammates were doing. Whether you are standing in a corner getting 25% of the kills with your clone or standing in the corner getting 0% of the kills I don't care and I don't understand why anybody would. I come to ever mission with the ability to solo it and the less you do the more fun there is for me. Conversely, if you do everything with your AoE then I can watch a movie and let you do all of the work for that mission. Absolutely nothing about Warframe is serious business and the difference between 0% and 75% of the player base playing Wukong is irrelevant to me.
Hello Posted October 4, 2022 Posted October 4, 2022 16 minutes ago, --END--Rikutatis said: You can backflip to opt out of Volt's speed. As for OP don't let haters bother you in public squads. Play what you want. It's up to DE to fix the public squad experience when needed. And players can go solo or recruit if they want to avoid specific things. Ah yes, this terrible "solution". If only Volt's didn't spam speed every few seconds for no reason. I'm not backflipping more than I can bullet jump just because Volt's are obsessed with spamming 2 on their keyboard.
(PSN)Cargan2016 Posted October 4, 2022 Posted October 4, 2022 The changes all but ruined his clone. but I fully intend to get a second styanax and subsume his ability over wukongs clone. I I may have to rework some of his build im not sure I dont recall how i have him built currently nor do i recall exactly which ability styanax gives I think it was his armor strip but I havnt looked since day one of the drop so could be mistaken
Learicorn Posted October 4, 2022 Posted October 4, 2022 When Wukong Prime came out with his rework I used him a lot simply because I like having the company of AI and find his clone extremely cute, had to stop because everyone was using him and I felt like a meta slave :(
Silligoose Posted October 4, 2022 Posted October 4, 2022 10 hours ago, Ne0nRunner said: Seeing everyone trash on Wukong due to the actions of an annoying minority of players, while understandable, is frustrating as someone who loved using Wukong early on in the Star Chart. I always loved the versatility of his kit and using the twin to back me up when playing solo was a ton of fun. I never really used him for AFK farming or anything, mostly to make playing solo more bearable, since lagging behind MR30s with Kuva Zarrs nuking everything on the map was never my cup of tea. Kind of a shame that a frame's reputation can get ruined by an annoying faction of the playerbase. Don't even worry about it. Most people don't care about a Wukong in most situations (special exception for Wukongs that result in a Spy mission failing, though that is true for any frame anyway) and in addition, despite the attention Wukong has gotten of late, he was never even close to the most broken frame out there and many players realize this. Arguably, he isn't even the most annoying: a lot of players aren't exactly excited for the gameplay that is to follow, if something like a Khora, Slova, Octavia, Limbo, Hildryn, Zephyr, anyone with a strong Gloom etc decides to join and plays to these frames' very broken strengths, because their strengths essentially shut off almost all enemies for everyone in the area.
(XBOX)RaeOvSunshyn Posted October 4, 2022 Posted October 4, 2022 12 hours ago, Pizzarugi said: and Wukong was far above everything else by a significant margin. On PC, you mean. Because on Xbox, Wukong was just a smidge above Wisp and other frames. Conflating the numbers lowered the Wukong stats a tiny bit for PC players but it MORE THAN DOUBLED it for console players. Same goes for certain weapons, by the way.
Zimzala Posted October 4, 2022 Posted October 4, 2022 Do what brings you joy, ignore the entire concept of being embarrassed by playing a game so that way you enjoy playing the game, IMO. Screw what other people think of your choices, do what bring you joy, period. Please don't allow a group of emotionally immature jerks that happen to play WF ruin your fun.
George_PPS Posted October 4, 2022 Posted October 4, 2022 14 hours ago, Ne0nRunner said: Seeing everyone trash on Wukong due to the actions of an annoying minority of players, while understandable, is frustrating as someone who loved using Wukong early on in the Star Chart. I always loved the versatility of his kit and using the twin to back me up when playing solo was a ton of fun. I never really used him for AFK farming or anything, mostly to make playing solo more bearable, since lagging behind MR30s with Kuva Zarrs nuking everything on the map was never my cup of tea. Kind of a shame that a frame's reputation can get ruined by an annoying faction of the playerbase. Same here. Wukong should be the gold standard other frames could be buffed to like him one by one. It was fun and powerful. Instead, they deem it bad. That’s fine, a lot of players quit over this and many won’t be joining. Let the game ranking tank. Terrible cancel culture in the game development.
Jaleesa_Prime Posted October 4, 2022 Posted October 4, 2022 If anything you should feel less embarrassed by now. The AoE tryhards are done with Wukong and hopefully for good. Besides I main Saryn and I feel embarrassed too by players who think Saryn is only good for nuking and who never progressed beyond spamming her Miasma ability.
Maen3 Posted October 4, 2022 Posted October 4, 2022 8 hours ago, Hardwood said: In ten years I have never cared what my teammates were doing. Whether you are standing in a corner getting 25% of the kills with your clone or standing in the corner getting 0% of the kills I don't care and I don't understand why anybody would. I come to ever mission with the ability to solo it and the less you do the more fun there is for me. Conversely, if you do everything with your AoE then I can watch a movie and let you do all of the work for that mission. The only annoying thing is limbo players and to a lesser degree Khora players, and the host migrations.
(PSN)Unstar Posted October 4, 2022 Posted October 4, 2022 There are some folks on the forums who may trash-talk (insert list of frames here), but believe me when I say that you can just play as any frame you want in public matches and as long as you aren't doing something disruptive you're going to be perfectly fine. Wukong was nerfed to make him less disruptive than before, so there's honestly never been a finer time to play Wukong. So please, if you want to monkey, monkey away!
LSG501 Posted October 4, 2022 Posted October 4, 2022 18 hours ago, Pizzarugi said: It wasn't an "annoying minority" of players, OP. Pablo shared a warframe usage chart and Wukong was far above everything else by a significant margin. The funny thing with those stats is they don't seem to match up with what I've experienced in game in regards to wukong. I very rarely saw wukong before the nerf and it hasn't changed now.....I still very rarely see wukong but I'm the EU server. I'm kind of curious to see a regional server breakdown of those results, is there any bias being caused by particular regions...say for example Chinaframe who would have local connection to wukong.
Mieo_Mio Posted October 5, 2022 Posted October 5, 2022 For me it's not wuclone and AoE. It's cloud walker brats waiting at the exit telling me to hurry TF up. Frankly there have been times I have just stopped and waited for the timer to expire just to piss them off.
cute_moth.npc Posted October 5, 2022 Posted October 5, 2022 Don't worry, Volt, Wisp, Khora and others will always have way more ire in my heart than Wukong will.. Just play Monke if you want to play Monke!
(PSN)GEN-Son_17 Posted October 5, 2022 Posted October 5, 2022 21 hours ago, Ne0nRunner said: Seeing everyone trash on Wukong due to the actions of an annoying minority of players, while understandable, is frustrating as someone who loved using Wukong early on in the Star Chart. I always loved the versatility of his kit and using the twin to back me up when playing solo was a ton of fun. I never really used him for AFK farming or anything, mostly to make playing solo more bearable, since lagging behind MR30s with Kuva Zarrs nuking everything on the map was never my cup of tea. Kind of a shame that a frame's reputation can get ruined by an annoying faction of the playerbase. I don't think people are bashing Wukong at all. If anything, the bashing is 99.9% towards the players that use him in a way that ruins the experience of other players. Wukong, the frame, is awesome!
AzureScion Posted October 5, 2022 Posted October 5, 2022 Wait out of topic a bit but why is Wisp hated by some? I thought the ability to increase your HP by flat 1k and giving speed and fire rate, plus her blind would be considered a boon?
Jaleesa_Prime Posted October 5, 2022 Posted October 5, 2022 vor 48 Minuten schrieb AzureScion: Wait out of topic a bit but why is Wisp hated by some? I thought the ability to increase your HP by flat 1k and giving speed and fire rate, plus her blind would be considered a boon? Her haste buff also increases ammo consumption, which can mess up the ammo economy for some high fire rate weapons badly. Also her ability kit is badly designed if one ability is the reason 90% play her frame and it is not even the ultimate which few Wisps ever use.
Yamazuki Posted October 5, 2022 Posted October 5, 2022 6 hours ago, LSG501 said: The funny thing with those stats is they don't seem to match up with what I've experienced in game in regards to wukong. I very rarely saw wukong before the nerf and it hasn't changed now.....I still very rarely see wukong but I'm the EU server. I'm kind of curious to see a regional server breakdown of those results, is there any bias being caused by particular regions...say for example Chinaframe who would have local connection to wukong. It's the same for me on NA... and when ever I did see Wukong, it was often times in specific content for the Cloudwalker spam. If I did arb, I often times saw options such as Wisp and weapon buffers to support aoe spawn killing enemies. If I did something like ESO, it was mostly Saryn/Volt/Mirage. If it was boss content, it was mostly just weapon buffers. Fissures I often times saw Titania or Gauss alongside the occasional Wukong. Railjack was oddly the place where I saw the most Wukongs initially. I personally don't like DE sharing usage stats with no context, and using that to buff or nerf options is bad for the game. We've already seen how the type of content alone plays a major role in what people end up using. 1 hour ago, Prexades said: Her haste buff also increases ammo consumption, which can mess up the ammo economy for some high fire rate weapons badly. Also her ability kit is badly designed if one ability is the reason 90% play her frame and it is not even the ultimate which few Wisps ever use. Her passive and two of her other abilities are reasons to use her. People not doing so is not indicative of much beyond people tunneling hard, and DE's modding system encouraging focusing on singular abilities anytime abilities don't scale with the same stats or when each ability want something different.
slava.ukraine Posted October 5, 2022 Posted October 5, 2022 vor 7 Stunden schrieb (PSN)Cargan2016: No he was always has been a very good frame infact he was the only frame I could get threw the mr 30 test with before this stupid change to his clone abilility as it gave just a general double to my dps and in multiple areas of the arena. I am buying a 2nd styanax tomorrow to subsume and replace his clone with as the rest of his kit is still good and viable just the twin is useless now so he may as well get a defense strip you don't play mr30 test 24/7. wukong used to only be able to speedrun low lvl mission and wait for the group at the exit. pfff...... and even then, simple warframes like wisp were much better in the group. or nekros for the resources! and saryn is extremely useful like never before. if wukong was ok earlier i would see him on missions all the time. but hardly anyone plays with it!
(PSN)Cargan2016 Posted October 5, 2022 Posted October 5, 2022 5 minutes ago, slava.ukraine said: you don't play mr30 test 24/7. wukong used to only be able to speedrun low lvl mission and wait for the group at the exit. pfff...... and even then, simple warframes like wisp were much better in the group. or nekros for the resources! and saryn is extremely useful like never before. if wukong was ok earlier i would see him on missions all the time. but hardly anyone plays with it! He is litterally the most used frame period his has a 10 percent usage rate litterally 1 out of every 10 people where using wukong almost exclusively. was the whole reason he just got nerfed so hard with his clone
LSG501 Posted October 5, 2022 Posted October 5, 2022 41 minutes ago, (PSN)Cargan2016 said: He is litterally the most used frame period his has a 10 percent usage rate litterally 1 out of every 10 people where using wukong almost exclusively. was the whole reason he just got nerfed so hard with his clone um... where? What maps/missions/server are you seeing 1 in 10 players using wukong. Like I said earlier that doesn't match up with what I've seen.
slava.ukraine Posted October 5, 2022 Posted October 5, 2022 vor 41 Minuten schrieb (PSN)Cargan2016: He is litterally the most used frame period his has a 10 percent usage rate litterally 1 out of every 10 people where using wukong almost exclusively. was the whole reason he just got nerfed so hard with his clone according to the statistics. give me stats from europe mr25-mr32 range and we see that wukong hardly anyone plays. and there is 1 wisp in almost every game. should now wisp be nerfed?
slava.ukraine Posted October 5, 2022 Posted October 5, 2022 Gerade eben schrieb LSG501: um... where? What maps/missions/server are you seeing 1 in 10 players using wukong. Like I said earlier that doesn't match up with what I've seen. that's exactly what I'm saying. the statistics sound like a fairy tale.
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