(PSN)willitical Posted October 4, 2022 Share Posted October 4, 2022 Ok so im pretty sure de does not want us to have brain dead builds where we are completely immortal right? And with hildryn That's exactly what people can do. I haven't bothered with that because i was sure that would eventually get fixed. Isn't That the reason behind nerfing aoe weapons, so that we have to actually play the game. Not just put on a corny build. All they have to do is put on a cool down for her passive, so that after each proc it can't proc again for her 30 seconds or a minute. Making it what it Was supposed to be in the first place. No other warframe has a passive that can make them invincible, so why does hildryn. I mean like if de is really ok with that, then perhaps i should start making videos and explore just how rediculus that build is. I mean like if i could solo arbitration for hours without dying, seems like that would get there attention!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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taiiat Posted October 4, 2022 Share Posted October 4, 2022 it's a pretty crucial part of Hilidryn for that feature to be able to be used regularly. otherwise Hildryn would be kinda unusable vs higher Level Enemies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KitMeHarder Posted October 4, 2022 Share Posted October 4, 2022 18 minutes ago, (PSN)willitical said: No other warframe has a passive that can make them invincible That's just a default part of every frame's kit, it's not Hildryn exclusive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skaleek Posted October 4, 2022 Share Posted October 4, 2022 44 minutes ago, (PSN)willitical said: I mean like if de is really ok with that, then perhaps i should start making videos and explore just how rediculus that build is. I mean like if i could solo arbitration for hours without dying, seems like that would get there attention!!!!! Do it, DE seems to react to silly videos far more than player feedback. Try your luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)willitical Posted October 5, 2022 Author Share Posted October 5, 2022 The question is, does that trick work with every frame, if that's the case then they should probably fix that too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KitMeHarder Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 14 minutes ago, (PSN)willitical said: The question is, does that trick work with every frame, if that's the case then they should probably fix that too. It'd help if you were a little more descriptive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)Skippy575 Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 Are you talking about shield gating? Every frame has that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)willitical Posted October 5, 2022 Author Share Posted October 5, 2022 Yes i knew that every frame has shield gating, but i didn't know that every frame can exploit that and become invincible, hildryn also has shield gating as her passive, which im thinking for her, it adds extra time of being invulnerable so you have more time to fill you Shields back up. I just found a great video explaining how all these exploits are done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)willitical Posted October 5, 2022 Author Share Posted October 5, 2022 I mean really, do we really believe that the addition of shield gating meant that we should build for for as little shields as possible so we can be immortal ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CosoMalvadoNG Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 hace 53 minutos, (PSN)willitical dijo: Yes i knew that every frame has shield gating, but i didn't know that every frame can exploit that and become invincible, hildryn also has shield gating as her passive, which i'm thinking for her, it adds extra time of being invulnerable so you have more time to fill you Shields back up. I just found a great video explaining how all these exploits are done. HAHHAHA this ppl, that it's exactly the point with the shield gating. The only people who don't know this are either noobs or not interested in learning the mechanics of the game. ''I complain that a mechanic does exactly what it should do because some warframe do useitbetter''... ridiculous. Now use hildryn against enemies that have poison damage and complain about that too. PS: To all this, who benefits from nerfing this? It is a mechanic that does not harm anyone, rather it allows you to live, seriously, who does this harm? From my experience, DE nerfs things that destroy the game experience for most of players and this one don't do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)willitical Posted October 5, 2022 Author Share Posted October 5, 2022 2 hours ago, CosoMalvadoNG said: HAHHAHA this ppl, that it's exactly the point with the shield gating. The only people who don't know this are either noobs or not interested in learning the mechanics of the game. ''I complain that a mechanic does exactly what it should do because some warframe do useitbetter''... ridiculous. Now use hildryn against enemies that have poison damage and complain about that too. PS: To all this, who benefits from nerfing this? It is a mechanic that does not harm anyone, rather it allows you to live, seriously, who does this harm? From my experience, DE nerfs things that destroy the game experience for most of players and this one don't do that. Because of stuff like this Im playing the game the way it was intended, while these guys just use meme cheesy meme builds, and think they accomplished something. Can't we realize that im not try to exploit the game. I mean If de doesn't mind us being immortal then fine, I'll go ahead and use these builds and sit in a survival for 6 hours and grab tons of loot and prime parts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pakaku Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 Speaking as a Hildryn main, well, it's not hard to tank and stay alive without resorting to meme builds 5 hours ago, (PSN)willitical said: All they have to do is put on a cool down for her passive, so that after each proc it can't proc again for her 30 seconds or a minute. Making it what it Was supposed to be in the first place. No other warframe has a passive that can make them invincible, so why does hildryn Anyone can shield-gate and theoretically stay invincible, Hildryn just makes it easier with being able to top off her shields. This is you asking to put a cooldown on a passive every warframe with shields has Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)willitical Posted October 5, 2022 Author Share Posted October 5, 2022 Im asking them to add a cool down if this wasn't the intended result. That's the ultimate question, once i heard about the shield gate mechanic, i didn't start thinking hey maybe i Can exploit that and become invincible. It Also wasn't addressed as being something that could make any warframe invincible. I just feel like this why they nerfed aoe weapons, because it made the game too easy. Steel path and arbitration is supposed to be challenging, in the arbitration i ran, i died at about 20 minutes because of the toxin procs. So should i just go for a meme build, and cheese it, or perhaps keep working on my build without using exploits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yamazuki Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 If DE didn't want this to be a thing, it would've been fixed by now. When shield-gate was added, DE actually nerfed ways to easily refresh shields. A dagger for example took a nerf to prevent regenerating shields repeatedly per hit. The system was intentionally released with no cooldown, and Hildryn was a beta-test for the feature. There is also the issue of Warframes with damage immunity that have 100% uptime for as long as they have energy available without the use of shield-gate. There have also been bugs to grant spammed death prevention for even Inaros as well as currently there being a 'feature' to have indefinite damage immunity with zero energy cost that doesn't use shield-gate. Warframe isn't meant to be a 'difficult' game. Enemies are severely imbalance to begin with. It doesn't take sitting in an endless mission or going to SP to come across enemies that one shot any non-highly durable setup... shield-gate is simply DE's lazy response to the problem of enemies with no real visual cue instantly dropping people. Going back and adjusting base damage values and how they scale is too much work for DE... no different to how despite all this time armored enemies are still severely imbalanced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pakaku Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 2 hours ago, (PSN)willitical said: Im asking them to add a cool down if this wasn't the intended result. That's the ultimate question, once i heard about the shield gate mechanic, i didn't start thinking hey maybe i Can exploit that and become invincible. It Also wasn't addressed as being something that could make any warframe invincible. I just feel like this why they nerfed aoe weapons, because it made the game too easy. Steel path and arbitration is supposed to be challenging, in the arbitration i ran, i died at about 20 minutes because of the toxin procs. So should i just go for a meme build, and cheese it, or perhaps keep working on my build without using exploits. Survival isn't really what counts in Steel Path, it's more about being able to return the damage you might be taking. I can definitely say Hildryn isn't a damage frame, at least on her own without softening things up for gun/melee killing Hildryn really can't deal with toxin unless you keep your overshields up, so if you need a meme build or something to handle it, then take it. There isn't really any harm in not dying, your squadmates are only going to notice if you do die. As for AoE, why they nerfed it is irrelevant to why they may or may not patch out survival meme builds or exploits. (And for the record, one invincibility exploit involving Hildryn and the Energy Regen aura has already been patched) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AegidiusF Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 Il y a 9 heures, (PSN)willitical a dit : Ok so im pretty sure de does not want us to have brain dead builds where we are completely immortal right? And with hildryn That's exactly what people can do. I haven't bothered with that because i was sure that would eventually get fixed. Isn't That the reason behind nerfing aoe weapons, so that we have to actually play the game. Not just put on a corny build. All they have to do is put on a cool down for her passive, so that after each proc it can't proc again for her 30 seconds or a minute. Making it what it Was supposed to be in the first place. No other warframe has a passive that can make them invincible, so why does hildryn. I mean like if de is really ok with that, then perhaps i should start making videos and explore just how rediculus that build is. I mean like if i could solo arbitration for hours without dying, seems like that would get there attention!!!!! There are many warframes with immortal builds, Hyldrin is not the only one. Loki just got one with the Veilbreaker update, by the way. I don't think they are a problem as the Devs are aware that, on very high levels, you can only rely on three things to survive : Invisibility (Loki, Octavia, Ivara...), Shield gate or Abilities (and passive) that grants you invulnerability (Revenant, Rhino, Valkyr, Garuda...). Hildryn has a mix of shield gate and passive invulnerability. In my opinion, invulnerability is not a problem at all, but it needs to be balanced and have some "cost". Hildryn passive works almost like Protea's first, giving the frame (and the allies) a busted shield gate (with Poison immunity for Hyldrin if she has overshields). But even this do not grant immortality at all. You can tank, but you can still die, as Hildryn needs her shields to cast. Just to remember : shields passive restoration, after full depleted, have a 4 seconds cooldown, and Hildryn boosted passive shield gate lasts for 3 seconds. In addition, she cannot cast while on shield gate phase. And, if she takes damage before her sheilds get fully regenerated, she will not benefit from the 3 seconds boosted shield gate. So, Hildryn passive do not seems unbalanced to me. It is not OP neither. And it do not create an immortal Hildryn at all. There was an old immortal Hildryn build, but this one was really bad : it was based on Arcane Aegis. The only immortal Hildryn build that got fixed, because working not as intended, was the Energy Siphon Hildryn. I've said this at an old thread : Le 30/05/2022 à 09:56, (NSW)AegisFifi a dit : Could you give some reference ? Normally, Hildryn with Decaying Dragon key still works and never nedded to be patched, as it's not an immortal build at all. It's a very bad build that is based only on Arcane Aegis proc. Just to remember, without shields (so, on her shield gating period) Hildryn can cast no abilities and Mods like Brief Respite and the Augur Set do not work on her. The only thing that worked on Hildryn, and that could make her immortal, and it was a real bug, was Energy Siphon Mod, but it worked with no Dragon key equipped. You can check the whole discussion about shield gating here, if you want : Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(NSW)warfare3376 Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 11 hours ago, (PSN)willitical said: No other warframe has a passive that can make them invincible Nidus passive is literally called undying and as the name suggests you cant die when you have more then 15 mutagen stacks which is very easy to maintain, also sevagoths passive that lets him revive himself which inaros also has a similar weaker version as well as every other frame with unairus last grasp waybound. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frendh Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 10 hours ago, KitMeHarder said: That's just a default part of every frame's kit, it's not Hildryn exclusive. I am convinced it is Hildryn exclusive. Pretty sure no other warframe has 2 different shield gates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(NSW)warfare3376 Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 Hilydryn is also possibly the worst warframe to abuse the shield gate mechanic with, if hildryn ever runs out of shields then she is unable to do anything. Its not like with other warframes where you can just cast an ability and regain all your shields back and the invincibility that comes with it as hildryn doesnt have energy, she drains her shields to cast her abilities, no shields no way to replenish it. 4 minutes ago, Frendh said: I am convinced it is Hildryn exclusive. Pretty sure no other warframe has 2 different shield gates. Her second shield gate isnt the same as the regular shield gate, when hildryn has overshields her health pool can not be damaged directly and has to go through the overshieilds 1st, additionally any excess damage that would break her overshields in 1 hit is negated but theres no extra invulnerability after that like normal shield gateing and her normal shield gate is 3 seconds long instead of the 1.3 seconds every other frame gets but again theres no way for her to regain her shields back if she has no shields left to begin with unless you just casted pillage as her shields broke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frendh Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 Just now, (NSW)warfare3376 said: 'Her second shield gate isnt the same as the regular shield gate, Is that not what different means? 11 minutes ago, Frendh said: I am convinced it is Hildryn exclusive. Pretty sure no other warframe has 2 different shield gates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(NSW)warfare3376 Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 1 minute ago, Frendh said: Is that not what different means? That was not an attack on you was just explaining how hildryns shield gating works Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)willitical Posted October 5, 2022 Author Share Posted October 5, 2022 3 hours ago, Pakaku said: Survival isn't really what counts in Steel Path, it's more about being able to return the damage you might be taking. I can definitely say Hildryn isn't a damage frame, at least on her own without softening things up for gun/melee killing Hildryn really can't deal with toxin unless you keep your overshields up, so if you need a meme build or something to handle it, then take it. There isn't really any harm in not dying, your squadmates are only going to notice if you do die. As for AoE, why they nerfed it is irrelevant to why they may or may not patch out survival meme builds or exploits. (And for the record, one invincibility exploit involving Hildryn and the Energy Regen aura has already been patched) Thank you for actually making my stance relavent, if they already patched something that could make hildryn immortal, then it's very likely that sheild gate in general would also get nerfed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)willitical Posted October 5, 2022 Author Share Posted October 5, 2022 47 minutes ago, (NSW)warfare3376 said: Nidus passive is literally called undying and as the name suggests you cant die when you have more then 15 mutagen stacks which is very easy to maintain, also sevagoths passive that lets him revive himself which inaros also has a similar weaker version as well as every other frame with unairus last grasp waybound. Yes but you actually have to work to keep that up, it takes skill and a good build, in order to stay alive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(NSW)warfare3376 Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 7 minutes ago, (PSN)willitical said: Yes but you actually have to work to keep that up, it takes skill and a good build, in order to stay alive. Have you ever used nidus? And lets just forget about passives for a second, revenant completely unmodded has at minimum 6 seconds of invincibility with one 50 energy cost mesmer skin that can be recasted at any time and he has regular shield gating on top of that. Yet you think hildyns passive is broken op cuz it makes her invincible with no effort at all? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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