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PSA: Incompletable ‘Man the Guns’ Break Narmer Challenge


[DE]Danielle
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Hello fellow Kahl enthusiasts! 

This week’s ‘Man the Guns’ Break Narmer challenge (Take out 10 enemies with the drop ship) is currently unable to be completed due to a bug that causes the enemy ships to take no damage. 

We are unable to hotfix at this time as we gear up for our next update - Echoes of Veilbreaker. As such, the challenge will remain active until the next refresh occurs (Sunday, Oct 23rd @ 8 PM ET). 

In light of this, we are preparing a script for Echoes of Veilbreaker that will provide the 15 Stock reward. Eligibility is still being determined and will be shared here once we have updates*. A fix for the challenge will also go live with the update. 

Thank you, Tenno! 
 

Edit: For clarification, eligibility will not be Man the Guns specific, as that challenge is not able to be completed. The goal is to have it be for those who completed the Prison Break mission this week, we just have to cross Ts and dot Is before we're able to lock that in for you guys. 

Edit: Hello again, Tenno! With the news of Echoes of Veilbreaker coming November 2nd (announced on Devstream #165), here to share what you can expect on login. Upon login you will receive an inbox message with 15 Stock if you completed the Prison Break mission (and were affected by the Man the Guns challenge bug during your second rotation of the Prison Break mission) anytime between October 16th to November 2nd. Thank you! 
 

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I have also heard this challenge would be insanely hard to complete even if it wasn't bugged due to the uncontrollable motion of the ship. 

The cumulative objective progress would help alleviate this issue even once fixed. What is the timeframe towards adding cumulative objective progress and is there any additional QOL features/updates you can tell us about regarding the break narmer missions?

Thank you

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4 minutes ago, [DE]Danielle said:

n light of this, we are preparing a script for Echoes of Veilbreaker that will provide the 15 Stock reward. Eligibility is still being determined and will be shared here once we have updates. A fix for the challenge will also go live with the update. 

eligibility should be whomever finished the mission.
As for a fix for the challenge will go live with the update - what does this mean for players who have not yet completed the mission (therefore perhaps not be eligible when the script runs?  FOr examply my son can't play until this friday - if the script runs before then, but the challenge is not fixed or replaced, is he just  scrwed out of 15stock?

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1 minute ago, (XBOX)Tucker D Dawg said:

eligibility should be whomever finished the mission.
As for a fix for the challenge will go live with the update - what does this mean for players who have not yet completed the mission (therefore perhaps not be eligible when the script runs?  FOr examply my son can't play until this friday - if the script runs before then, but the challenge is not fixed or replaced, is he just  scrwed out of 15stock?

Reset is Sunday so your son is good to go. 

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1 minute ago, EdinaMonsoon said:

surely just mission completion would be enough? please don't tell me i have to go and try and kill at least 5...

Eligibility is determined on the data we have available, but that is indeed the goal (Prison Break mission completed). We just can't commit to that at the moment as we need to do a bit more research into account specifics. Wanted to get the PSA out ASAP so that people didn't spend time attempting to finish an incompletable challenge :) 

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Just now, (PSN)nerex33 said:

Reset is Sunday so your son is good to go. 

I know that is when it resets - but it wasn't clear from her message what is being done. 

"a script will be run" implies to me a backend awarding of stock - to grant it to people that are eligible at the time the script is run.  if that runs BEFORE reset, he wouldn't be in the list.

and "A fix for the challenge will also go live with the update. " read to me like the fix would be release with the "Echoes of Veilbreaker. " update - which unless THAT is before reset, would still be an issue.

See my confusion?

 

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10 minutes ago, [DE]Danielle said:

In light of this, we are preparing a script for Echoes of Veilbreaker that will provide the 15 Stock reward. Eligibility is still being determined and will be shared here once we have updates.

What if you just make it an exterminate alert on the zariman?
Yes, people that didn't do the quest yet or didn't reach "Prison Break Round 2" would still get it, but it's just 15 stock and nothing that would give people too much of an advantage over others.

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2 minutes ago, (XBOX)Tucker D Dawg said:

I know that is when it resets - but it wasn't clear from her message what is being done. 

"a script will be run" implies to me a backend awarding of stock - to grant it to people that are eligible at the time the script is run.  if that runs BEFORE reset, he wouldn't be in the list.

and "A fix for the challenge will also go live with the update. " read to me like the fix would be release with the "Echoes of Veilbreaker. " update - which unless THAT is before reset, would still be an issue.

See my confusion?

 

The update will not be happening before the reset this Sunday :) So no concerns on that front! 

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2 minutes ago, [DE]Danielle said:

Eligibility is determined on the data we have available, but that is indeed the goal (Prison Break mission completed). We just can't commit to that at the moment as we need to do a bit more research into account specifics. Wanted to get the PSA out ASAP so that people didn't spend time attempting to finish an incompletable challenge :) 

ah i see, thank you for clarifying!

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1 minute ago, (XBOX)Tucker D Dawg said:

I know that is when it resets - but it wasn't clear from her message what is being done. 

"a script will be run" implies to me a backend awarding of stock - to grant it to people that are eligible at the time the script is run.  if that runs BEFORE reset, he wouldn't be in the list.

and "A fix for the challenge will also go live with the update. " read to me like the fix would be release with the "Echoes of Veilbreaker. " update - which unless THAT is before reset, would still be an issue.

See my confusion?

 

It read clear to me that nothing is being done with it for the week, leaving it as is so I believe it's safe to assume the script isn't until after this week, especially if completing the mission will be the requirement, then they'll let everyone get a chance this week to complete it. 

 

Also, if I was in the same boat, I'd just log in and do the mission for him if he's cool with that. Theoretically speaking. 

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Would we even be talking about this problem if Archon Shards weren't in the reward pool for Kahl Missions? 🤔 I personally wouldn't do Kahl Missions at all if there were no Shards and I refuse to do it more than once a week. Between these Kahl missions on a fundamental level being unenjoyable for me (bugs aside) and the consistent weekly disappointment of not getting Tauforged I kind of want to quit this game that I love. :(

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17 minutes ago, [DE]Danielle said:

We are unable to hotfix at this time as we gear up for our next update

Is this of a similar nature to the Felarx evolution 3 bug? Where it's code and can only come out with the next cert update? So none of these bugs are important enough to turn off crossplay testing to be deployed to PC?

Is this what we are dealing with? Is this what the future is going to be like?

 

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Just now, WaywardSoul said:

Would we even be talking about this problem if Archon Shards weren't in the reward pool for Kahl Missions?

Nope.  If they didn't tie up the things I want with these awful missions and FOMO, then I would probably be in-game right now.  But I still wouldn't be in the Kahl missions.  I wouldn't touch them again if they didn't have shards tied to them.

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