rampant cheating in conclave

[BLAZING-IT]

first lets get one thing straight I'm not pushing this I'm against this I have been here for 10 years I'm only making all of you aware of this issue ok. if you think there is no cheating in warframe conclave you are wrong

check this link this is a huge problem conclave needs some love because this game mode is being overrun with modders 

please up the security and add prestige via blue Kuva. This is making sick and scared that my information could be threatened.

please fix. this is person is making money off you for free are you Gunna let this person do that to you DE he or she has been up for a year and making money off of you.

if you don't fix this up this cheating might get into other parts of the game, and I want to keep my wallet safe.

PS ill leave a link to my channel have a look channel name is the same as me I'm a legit player wins and lose there is an old saying.

be better do better when your feet mess up you get up, I do not do illegitimate.

 

 

 

 

Edited April 21 by Paranoia-Agent
I wanted to get my point across.

[taiiat]

the single clear solution for protecting competitive Video Games (Anybrain), presumably isn't worth the cost for the limited scope of usefulness for Warframe. and so why it isn't already present in Warframe.

vs a game that's focused on Competitive PvP play where it would be applicable to the entire Business Model of the game.

[BLAZING-IT]

did you look at the link.

 

[Tyreaus]

6 minutes ago, Paranoia-Agent said:

did you look at the link.

 

They're still right: it's not likely worth the cost.

For one, PvE is the core of Warframe. Balance and fairness aren't that important compared to a competitive shooter.

For two, Warframe is much more centred around gear than skill. Being able to hit heads all day won't exactly help your unmodded Mk-1 Braton work in the Steel Path.

Lastly, Warframe is a horde shooter game with a pretty hefty AoE meta. AoE weapons are, oftentimes, best used when not aiming at a particular target. Rather, you want to hit a particular area to hit as many targets in a group as possible. Something like an aimbot can end up being detrimental.

So this kind of cheating is pretty much entirely isolated to Conclave.

Also, you might want to remove that video. That's looking pretty close to advertising for the cheat system. Better to give that as little attention as possible. Besides, showing that sort of thing is a good way to paint a target on your back for the forum mods.

[BLAZING-IT]

ok

 

[taiiat]

12 minutes ago, Tyreaus said:

They're still right: it's not likely worth the cost.

i can see a slight amount of use for Anybrain in the rest of the game, to combat against AFKbotting and such - but i'm not sure that is applicable enough to be worth it, and then Conclave benefitting by extension.
like i said, i presume since it isn't already in the game that they haven't considered it worth it. it's the one clear solution to anything cheating, if one was going to do something, though.

[Tyreaus]

3 minutes ago, taiiat said:

i can see a slight amount of use for Anybrain in the rest of the game, to combat against AFKbotting and such - but i'm not sure that is applicable enough to be worth it, and then Conclave benefitting by extension.

Something to consider, also, is the trade-off for accessibility. They could ban scripts that enable automation, but chances are, doing that would also catch scripts used for RSI prevention. DE has, just about, explicitly said that's why they don't ban scripting across the board. It's not a thick line between scripting Wukong walking in circles and scripting a bullet jump macro to a single keybind.

[BLAZING-IT]

18 minutes ago, Tyreaus said:

Something to consider, also, is the trade-off for accessibility. They could ban scripts that enable automation, but chances are, doing that would also catch scripts used for RSI prevention. DE has, just about, explicitly said that's why they don't ban scripting across the board. It's not a thick line between scripting Wukong walking in circles and scripting a bullet jump macro to a single keybind.

I see

[BLAZING-IT]

54 minutes ago, Tyreaus said:

They're still right: it's not likely worth the cost.

For one, PvE is the core of Warframe. Balance and fairness aren't that important compared to a competitive shooter.

For two, Warframe is much more centred around gear than skill. Being able to hit heads all day won't exactly help your unmodded Mk-1 Braton work in the Steel Path.

Lastly, Warframe is a horde shooter game with a pretty hefty AoE meta. AoE weapons are, oftentimes, best used when not aiming at a particular target. Rather, you want to hit a particular area to hit as many targets in a group as possible. Something like an aimbot can end up being detrimental.

So this kind of cheating is pretty much entirely isolated to Conclave.

Also, you might want to remove that video. That's looking pretty close to advertising for the cheat system. Better to give that as little attention as possible. Besides, showing that sort of thing is a good way to paint a target on your back for the forum mods.

hey since you said all this stuff ill show you my builds real quick. you said unranked braton we have mods and the core for this game play is centered around impact and punch through not slash like it is in pve

[taiiat]

3 hours ago, Tyreaus said:

Something to consider, also, is the trade-off for accessibility. They could ban scripts that enable automation, but chances are, doing that would also catch scripts used for RSI prevention. DE has, just about, explicitly said that's why they don't ban scripting across the board. It's not a thick line between scripting Wukong walking in circles and scripting a bullet jump macro to a single keybind.

Deep Learning Scripts are supposed to be over 99% accurate - can't say whether it would be in this type of game, but.

[Tyreaus]

6 minutes ago, taiiat said:

Deep Learning Scripts are supposed to be over 99% accurate - can't say whether it would be in this type of game, but.

Oh, DLS. Yeah, even if it would work, going that far for a little bit of AFK automation in a game that's only about 3 steps removed from automation on a good day seems way overkill lol. Might be good for Conclave but that's not exactly the main selling point.

3 hours ago, Paranoia-Agent said:

hey since you said all this stuff ill show you my builds real quick. you said unranked braton we have mods and the core for this game play is centered around impact and punch through not slash like it is in pve

Colour my curiosity piqued.

[taiiat]

4 minutes ago, Tyreaus said:

Oh, DLS. Yeah, even if it would work, going that far for a little bit of AFK automation in a game that's only about 3 steps removed from automation on a good day seems way overkill lol. Might be good for Conclave but that's not exactly the main selling point.

i don't expect it to not work - though the Particle spam and such might affect the results? who knows.
(that's what Anybrain is, btw)

if you were going to purchase a License to any middleware it may as well be the only one that actually does a good job, right. i do have some concerns about the ethically complicated avenue that it offers to profile People, because i don't think it's ethical to 'ban People for life' with modeling. if they aren't Cheating right now, then they aren't doing anything wrong. i don't care if they Cheated last Week or last Year, if they aren't now it doesn't matter. no Profiles are needed to achieve the goal.

[Loxyen]

Yea every once in a while some silly hacker appears, but usually they get identified, reported and S#&$ on real quick by the regulars due to lack of gameplay knowledge etc.

You can easily identify dmg hacks via the EE.log since the dmg numbers are altered.

As for aim hacks stuff like a Volt shield might become your new best friend. Its quite apparent someone is locked on to you if every bullet hits or even are headshots that consistently.

 

There has been some false hackusations brewing up recently by newer players meeting old regulars, but there is still a clear difference in performance between someone who is using hacks and someone who is experienced in the game mode.

[Tyreaus]

14 hours ago, Loxyen said:

There has been some false hackusations brewing up recently by newer players meeting old regulars, but there is still a clear difference in performance between someone who is using hacks and someone who is experienced in the game mode.

This is why I've pushed for things like kill cams and easy access to weapons for mirroring (checking if a weapon behaves how it's supposed to e.g. Mios). Taking a gander at OP's video showcasing the cheating-in-progress, I've run into players I'm pretty sure aren't cheating, but who can hit me at that same rate with that same Braton. I'm experienced enough to recognize names, at least, so I can give them the benefit of the doubt in those cases. A new player doesn't have that. But one look at a kill cam, like that video, and you don't need to be a Conclave wizard to see something's awful sus—or looks natural.

[(XBOX)GameGhost123]

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[MaxTunnerX]

I think that if anti cheat "is not worth it" for this "little content", then I suggest remove the conclave. However, Im pretty sure the cheats used in conclave can just as well be used in the main game so its definitely worth it. The devs already dont like players getting stuff too easily and keep adding obstacles, so Im pretty sure they will want to get anti cheat so players cant cheat their way to the top even in the solo/coop mode.

Edited August 16 by MaxTunnerX

[(XBOX)GameGhost123]

There has only been 1 cheater in like the past year and we've reported him to de before and they haven't done anything about it. BLAZING IT or Paranoia Agent he used to be called has been creating false hackusations as we call it when someone falsely accuses another of cheating for quite some time now. Alot of us in the conclave community saw him stream lately where he calls out players who aren't cheating and are just playing normally and he says they're all cheating just because he's not able to compete with them. Whenever a cheater does come to conclave the top pc players can instantly recognize who they are and can actually still beat them using stuff like volt shield.  It happens extremely rarely but we get alot of people like blazing it who falsely accuse people just because they dominate lobbies and he can't. Even if DE did add an anti cheat system it'd just prove that he was wrong and he'd have no more excuses to give for why people are beating him in conclave.  

[Nanika]

conclave isn't real.
you've been in a coma for five years
they're going to pull the plug next week, you need to wake up

[(XBOX)GameGhost123]

14 hours ago, Nanika said:

conclave isn't real.
you've been in a coma for five years
they're going to pull the plug next week, you need to wake up

If they do remove it which is a possibility I'm just glad I got to play it while I could. 

[Okami_Amaterasu]

Hi. I'm one of the people you accused for cheating. I have hundreds of videos to prove otherwise if you'd like me to link them. :)