how are people completing rank 10 steel path in less then 4 hours?

[jibbahjabbah]

4 hours ago, CosmicHermitCrab said:

This reminds me of the typical debates of materialism versus idealism, but for some modern reason, dualism is such an unpopular claim; also the very debate is an understatement of the complexity of gaining knowledge and some folks even commit False Dichotomy fallacy in regarding such debate. Even in regards to finding scientific evidence in regards to Quantum Mechanics, some scientists have argued that merely observing the w/e phenomenon can alter the experiment aka event itself, sometimes. However, they also argued it's impossible to prove either conclusion because of the way we naturally observe our very surroundings, which is the similar logic that common agnostics usually argue in regard to the existence of God/s.
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I'll give a more logical example of what I sorta mean:

1. There's a black box, which cannot be observed (not visible) from the outside of the said box. 

2. Person (A) inserts a blue cat into this black box.

3. Person (B), who is inside of the box somehow but not outside of the box, then sees a red cat.

4. Person (A) then opens the black box and pulls out a purple cat!

5. Person (A) argues the blue cat turns purple after entering and leaving the said box. However, Person (B) argues that the cat actually turns red inside the said box.

6. They are both correct, depending on the given context and perspective of observation required.
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Here's another example, but more of a metaphor:

1. Person (A) claims an aspect painting is beautiful and well-designed, but looks from afar and straight (centered) at it.

2. Person (B) claims the same painting is ugly and confusing, but looks from an acute angle and a few inches away from it.

3. Perspective matters in understanding one's environment, and thus also in regard to knowledge in general. 

I'm not an educated person so I don't really understand some the verbiage you use and as a consequence am failing to understand the point you are making or your expectations for telling me these things. I don't have enough interest in them to justify you putting in the effort to simplify it all to the point a layman such as myself can understand because I, unlike DE, respect your time ;). Because of the effort you put in to what you have said, I also don't feel right about ignoring what you've said so I'm just going to share some of the thoughts I had while reading through it and you can make of it what you will. 

"There are known knowns, known unknowns, and unknown unknowns."

A desperate need to occupy my mind with something that wasn't what it wanted to occupy itself with had me clicking a couple hour long video that was trying to explain quantum mechanics. By the time I was done watching it I had no better understanding of it. If someone were to ask me what quantum mechanics was, I would literally have nothing I could say to them. But while watching I was getting the feeling that it was an unknown unknown getting upgraded to known unknown. It still being an unknown is what was significant to me but didn't seem all too significant to him. 

If I'm to take the "logical" example at face value, in that every statement is true, then it's clear there are some variables missing from our understanding that would allow us to understand why the cat keeps changing colors and until we have those variables any conclusions drawn from it is just science fiction. Which can be interesting, but is completely detached from reality. 

Perspective is how we understand something. Seeing that thing from a different perspective is how we better our understanding of it. I believe that there are literally an infinite amount of different perspectives for any given thing meaning that there is no possibility of us completely understanding anything since we will always be limited by things like time, experience, and technology. 

 

Edited June 7 by jibbahjabbah

[Cerikus]

16 hours ago, VladYvhv said:

The phrase "check your privilege" comes to mind here.

So I shouldn't be in a better position because I've been playing the game for longer? OP asked how are people doing it in less than 4 hours and I answered.

Like... it's a videogame. By playing it you aquire items that allow you to play it better and play harder content. What's privileged about me putting thousands of hours into the game, which resulted in me being able to play it well? Nobody gave it to me on a silver plater.

20 hours ago, jibbahjabbah said:

You're talking about Duviri only here? All due respect, I've got my doubts.

Mostly. I had a lot of loadouts and items before, but after last years Tennocon I dedicated a lot of time, becuase I suspected having a lot of great builds will come in handy in Duviri.

20 hours ago, jibbahjabbah said:

People who struggle to distinguish the subjective from the objective tend to think this. They fail to realize there is only one truth and an infinite different perspectives of that one truth. Good and bad are opinions, not truths. They are imaginary things, not real. Thinking something is good or bad can not be something that is right or wrong.

We can probably agree that there is some objective general truth and different perspectives on it, what I am talking about is something being true.

"DE doesn't/does respect players time." are both obviously subjective. And we can discuss this topic. I feel like they do, because the rate of aquisition of rewards compared to my effort feels good. And I feel rewarded with great gameplay, because I've put effort into making builds.

And belive me, when I don't feel like it, I am here ranting. (First iteration of Liches comes to mind. I was here and I was very, very angry.)

Also in the post you quoted I was talking specifically about more things being true at the same time. For example: I like Circuit and I hate bounties, I like Railjack and I don't like Liches. When update's good, I give positive feedback. When update's bad, I rant.

I can find a thing you dislike great without being a "blind fanboy".

 

Edited June 7 by Cerikus

[VladYvhv]

2 hours ago, Cerikus said:

So I shouldn't be in a better position because I've been playing the game for longer? OP asked how are people doing it in less than 4 hours and I answered.

Like... it's a videogame. By playing it you aquire items that allow you to play it better and play harder content. What's privileged about me putting thousands of hours into the game, which resulted in me being able to play it well? Nobody gave it to me on a silver plater.

It's more that you shouldn't belittle people who aren't in as good a position. That's the point of the phrase.

[Cerikus]

59 minutes ago, VladYvhv said:

It's more that you shouldn't belittle people who aren't in as good a position. That's the point of the phrase.

And when did I do that? Listing fact and/or info is not belittleing, even if you don't like what you've learned.

[iPathos]

On 2023-06-05 at 5:27 AM, Cerikus said:

Honest answer: It's a skill issue and a lack of equipment.

To run circuit efficiently, you must do a lot more than 4 rounds, because the points are awarded like this: 

Round 1 - 100
Round 2 - 110
Round 3 - 125
Round 4 - 145
Round 5 and onwards - 170

I am a player who likes to collect things and build things and create builds. I have around 40 loadouts that containt 40 different warframes, 40 different primaries, secondaries and melees. Therefore I have ZERO issues picking gear in Teshin's cave. Anytime I go in I find items that are great enough to get me through a lot of rounds and I can finish tier 10 in like 3-4 hours.

Since warframe is basically a pokemon game - gotta catch 'em all, I am baffled that people decide to dig themselves into a pit by using a "main" warframe and "metah" weapons. 
Basically...

If you don't have enough decent gear in your inventory, you have failed at one of the main principles of this game.

And because DE designed SP Circuit perfectly, you are still able to play it and even reach tier 10, but you are punished by it taking much longer. Being able to do it fast is a reward for having the stuff to do it fast.

ALSO...

8 hours is insane? Have we been playing the same game for the past 7 years?

Good to see I'm not the only one thinking this way. Circuit was the reason I decided to go through every single one of the weapons and frames I own so that all of them have at least one suitable config for circuit.

Unfortunately exalted weapons still seem a little inconsistent if you're not using config a (supposed to use weapon config b if you select Warframe config b etc) but other than that I find that the circuit both rewards investment overall and is nowhere near too much of a time commitment.

All these people complaining about it being "too much" of a time commitment are attempting to justify one-day fatigue on weekly content. If you're attempting to do it in one go, remember that the circuit scales very similarly to disruption in terms of enemy levels. It's usually more efficient to do between 5-20 rounds before resetting, depending which decrees your squad gets to augment their loadout, as well as the loadouts themselves.

[jibbahjabbah]

6 hours ago, Cerikus said:

I can find a thing you dislike great without being a "blind fanboy".

This is true, and irrelevant. Consider the question "Does DE respect the player's time". It's asking about DE's perspective, not yours or mine.

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I feel like they do, because the rate of aquisition of rewards compared to my effort feels good.

You should watch a couple of videos on the history of microtransactions and/or the manipulative tactics mobile games use to turn children into spoiled addicts who have violent temper tantrums whenever denied their parents' credit card. DE pretty much uses those tactics to a t.

The sign of a great con-man is the smile on their marks face as they walk away with all their money. Look at you, out here, grinning ear to ear, pushing their narrative harder than they are.

"No guys, really! This company, which pulls in 100's of millions in revenue from this game alone, owned by the chinese mega-corp hell-bent on dominating every global market it can get it's greedy little tendrils into, they have your best interests at heart when making development choices for this game!"

Bro, like, really? You actually for serious right now? Noo, can't be. You're much too good for all that.

Edited June 7 by jibbahjabbah

[Cerikus]

2 minutes ago, jibbahjabbah said:

This is true, and irrelevant. Consider the question "Does DE respect the player's time". It's asking about DE perspective, not yours.

What? Well if that is the case, you have no position to comment on it. My opinion "DE respects player's time" has then the same value as yours "DE doesn't respect player's time", that is: none. Either it's something we can discuss from our perspective or not. You can't have it both ways. 

If it's the first possibility, then it's heavily subjective, because I am the only person that know the value of my time, therefore I am the only one that can say, if I feel like my time has been respected. Then there may be consensus based on a vote or discussion.

Also I absolutelly don't care about all that stuff you spewed out. Why should I care how much money they make or who owns who. I live in a free country with a free market. Warframe is a product. I can either participate if I feel like the thing is worth my time or money or walk away.

I don't care about timegates or reasonably created grinds, because I am not an addict that has to finish the new update NOW. I don't care if I can finish it or not. I play for fun.

One example and then I'ď like to end this discussion:
Grinds I hated and/or criticised that were (based on general consensus) disrespectful: Plains of Eidolon 1.0, Liches 1.0, Scarlet spear, Everything about Railjack 1.0 and many more. I guess you don't remember or you weren't here, otherwise you would have different opinion.

[jibbahjabbah]

2 minutes ago, Cerikus said:

Also I absolutelly don't care about.. anything other than what makes me happy

 

I know *sigh* I know.

Well, about time for some chicken tendies and nap, eh bud?

[Cerikus]

8 minutes ago, jibbahjabbah said:

Well, about time for some chicken tendies and nap, eh bud?

Great idea 🐔 😴

Also have a nice day, evening or night!

[iPathos]

57 minutes ago, Cerikus said:

I don't care about timegates or reasonably created grinds, because I am not an addict that has to finish the new update NOW. I don't care if I can finish it or not. I play for fun.

I wish this wasn't such a rare position to come across nowadays.

Everyone complains that "DE doesn't respect our time" when things like the relic refinement system (as much as relic loot pools are still dilute) exist and there's more than a minor incentive for them to create content that we cannot blast through in an afternoon while also not feeling like it's pointless grinding.

That's another thing that Warframe's diversity can actually show its strengths through; there is already so much to do in the game in its entirety that one of the caveats of that very same system is being spoiled for choice.

Different systems reward different actions with different rewards, with enough crossover that a large part of the game includes your time already invested as a boost to the content.

Now, back to the circuit. Of the last 7 week's rotations, I believe two of them have taken me more than 2-4 hours tops, that's with doing at least 2/3 of those runs in public squads. Yeah, I had some players bring a nearly fully loaner loadout - I also got some really inefficient options for many of them. There's a few key points here though:

• Understanding the mission reward structure (remembering to run at least 4-5 rounds for maximum progress)
• Preparing ahead of time (making sure your gear that you do own is appropriately set up - also choosing a suitable focus school)
• Making intelligent decisions based on the options you do get (changing to a different frame because it will synergize better with squadmate choices)
• And last among these, understanding that the circuit is a weekly-resetting activity (I fully understand wanting to try the incarnon weapons immediately, but at least you have a range of times to be able to obtain the rewards then you can deal with them at your own pace).

I however do think that the decision to keep such a pittance in credits as part of the recurring reward pool is a joke. The amount of time investment required for post-10 ranks should never have been considered "adequately rewarded" by 5,000 credits. The Endo I can understand some being annoyed about, however this is a more suitable quantity than say 200.

If I were to change those two additions, it would be entirely removing them from the Steel Path post-10 reward pool and boosting the credit reward to at a bare minimum 25k with maybe 50-100% more Endo, or otherwise hyperboosting the Steel Path versions to at least 100k credits and 5000 Endo. That should at least help assuage some concerns about time investment.

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[Cerikus]

2 minutes ago, iPathos said:

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Nice post. I agree. Yeah and I totally agree with the credits. I didn't run into this issue, because I didn't yet farmed past tier 10 once. But I saw it and thought it was a mistake.

Oh and I really agree with making intelligent decisions based on the options. I think most people just want to do the big number, but fail to realize that they can support. Whenever I see other players have highDPS frames, I will take harrow, wisp, citrine or trinity and only buff/support.

[(XBOX)sinamanthediva]

3 hours ago, jibbahjabbah said:

This is true, and irrelevant. Consider the question "Does DE respect the player's time". It's asking about DE's perspective, not yours or mine.

How would anyone respond with the correct answer who wasn't DE directly?  @Cerikus nor I or anyone else who is not of DE could not give a proper answer to this question you have asked so not sure why you have the authority to speak for them as YOU are NOT DE. 

3 hours ago, Cerikus said:

Great idea 🐔 😴

Also have a nice day, evening or night!

Always the gentleman, it is good to see your Elite objective self  around these parts as you have been missed!  It always amuses me when I have to read a thesis paper about Quantum mechanics used to makes someones point seem to be valid and true.  How dare you actually prepare yourself for the Circuit by having many different Warframes and weapons optimized!  When did the term Elite become derogatory anyways as your are qualified to be an Elite because you have played the game for 7+ years and rightfully have earned the title by putting in the effort to obtain the inventory/collection of Warframes, weapons, and Mods to make viable options usable in the SP Circuit.  I was initially put off by the SP Circuit as I don't like being forced to choose between a bow primary or subpar secondary because someone at DE thought it would be challenging and fun.  But after a few SP Circuits,  I realized that with a little preparation, it wasn't really that big of deal because I was still able to complete several rounds at a minimum and could extract if it became to much of a chore.  I don't ever feel the need to speed-run through missions so I'm not sure why people have to compare notes with regards to how quickly they can do SP Circuit because the variables are so different for everyone involved because of the variety of choices for each player.  I'm not sure if the SP qualifies for "end-game" distinction but it clearly is geared towards those that have put in some effort to obtain a large inventory and prepared them for use.   I have come to appreciate the fact that I am part of the "Elite" as I have acquired a lot of crap over the years and now can finally take advantage of it.  If anything it has made me appreciate the lessor used Warframes that have been in Moth balls for far too long.  I now actually like the SP Circuit as it does empower players to take risks and use their skills and knowledge obtained about Warframes and weapons even when the options are non-meta.   Do we as players have to like every option given? No and if it's too much work than exit after a few rounds and roll the dice again with a new Circuit. 

I am NOT pleased with the multitude of bugs that we all have encountered and do fault DE for not having a more robust Testing regime before they release updates.    Maybe the giant mega-company that now owns DE is pressuring them to produce certain benchmarks of profit or whatever at the expense of the validating their product for release.  Although this has occurred on many updates  that were before the mega-company entrance so it seems it's a DE inefficiency with Quality control more than anything.

Anyways, I am pleased to see you back in the Forums and look forward to more conversations! 🙂

 

2 hours ago, iPathos said:

I wish this wasn't such a rare position to come across nowadays.

I know I am annoying and obnoxious at times, but I do agree with you on this occasion and am glad you are bringing attention to it.  It's one of the few missions gives those that properly prepare a slight edge over players that don't want too or haven't been playing for any length of time.  If people want to call me Elite for being prepared than I'll gladly accept the term and enjoy the fruits of my efforts. 

I am also in agreement with the pittance of some of the awards mentioned, credits and endo are trash at this stage of the game and should NEVER be considered as a "reward" period, full stop!  No one is farming SP Circuit for credits and endo and find it obscene that DE thinks its an acceptable prize.  I think Pathos Clamps should be awarded as a circuit reward option as what better to connect with Duviri than to offer a valuable Duviri currency.  It would also break the tedium of having to experience "the experience" to such a degree it could replace water-boarding as the  goto method for homeland security. 

Have a pleasant tomorrow! (both of you! 🙂)

[jibbahjabbah]

2 hours ago, (XBOX)sinamanthediva said:

How would anyone respond with the correct answer who wasn't DE directly? 

1. Learn to differentiate between an individual and a group.

An individual is a collection of every experience they have ever experienced from the moment their brains became developed enough to start absorbing information coming from the experiences they are having. Each and every experience slightly altering their perception of each and every experience that is yet to come. This is what makes you such a special little snowflake, completely different from any other. Yet, ironically, not all that special considering you're just the same as everybody else. This is why anyone who thinks they can say how anyone should feel or will react to any given situation is just being dumb. It's a thing you literally can't do because you haven't had every single experience that person has so you are incapable of comprehending what it is like to be them and experience anything. You people can't even explain it for yourselves. One, sometimes two questions. That's all I ever need to cut whatever through whatever nonsense you people end up concocting. It's the same thing every time. You get defensive because I'm questioning you on a thing you feel like you should know. You don't actually understand this thing you feel you should know so your mind panics, starts grasping at any and every logical argument it can come up with trying to convince me they actually do know what they're talkin about. It doesn't take much to start poking holes in that kind of logic, especially when you understand what logic is and the purpose it serves, but that's a topic for another day. 

A group is a collection of individuals united under a common goal. Since all the individuals that make up a group are such unique and precious snowflakes with all sorts of needs and desires, the simpler the goal the less conflict there will be and thusly the easier it is to unite people under it. Money, for example, a thing everybody needs and/or desires. Easy to unite people under it. It being the representation of, just about, everything else a person could need or desire, it tends to be a thing someone will make the most concessions/comprises for. 

2. Recognize DE is a group. As a group, its goals are simple and therefore comprehendible. 

3. Consider the actions of the group, consider the results of those actions, and then consider the results they continue to make.

4. Realize you are too dumb to figure stuff out on your own so confer with fellow peers with absolute confidence knowing that they are as equally as dumb as you and just simply have different experiences which allows them to understand things differently than you. 

5. After comparing notes, go with the common denominator as that will be the closest you can get to what the reality of the situation is. 

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have a nice day, evening or night!

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Always the gentleman, it is good to see your Elite objective self  around these parts as you have been missed!

also:

Have a pleasant tomorrow!

Take it to pornhub would ya.. or at least use a NSFW spoiler.. good lord.

Edited June 8 by jibbahjabbah

[(XBOX)sinamanthediva]

9 minutes ago, jibbahjabbah said:

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Take it to pornhub would ya.. or at least use a NSFW spoiler.. good lord.

Thanks for opening your textbook and quoting it for me but it only succeeded in making you look even more desperate in your feeble attempts to look cool and popular.  You can TRY and convince yourself that you are making something resembling a point with your meanderings, but maybe just double up on your meds and call it a night. 

You clearly are not up with current times as PornHub is so last season, FansOnly would be more today and relevant.  A for effort though!  

Not sure how you can interpret "Have a pleasant tomorrow" as a possible title of a Linda Lovelace movie but I'm sure there will be something in your textbooks you can quote to show everyone how educated you are!

I would normally say Have a pleasant tomorrow but the idea of you thinking I was hitting on you makes me noxious.

Peace Out

[jibbahjabbah]

29 minutes ago, (XBOX)sinamanthediva said:

Thanks for opening your textbook and quoting it for me but it only succeeded in making you look even more desperate in your feeble attempts to look cool and popular.  You can TRY and convince yourself that you are making something resembling a point with your meanderings, but maybe just double up on your meds and call it a night. 

You clearly are not up with current times as PornHub is so last season, FansOnly would be more today and relevant.  A for effort though!  

Not sure how you can interpret "Have a pleasant tomorrow" as a possible title of a Linda Lovelace movie but I'm sure there will be something in your textbooks you can quote to show everyone how educated you are!

I would normally say Have a pleasant tomorrow but the idea of you thinking I was hitting on you makes me noxious.

Peace Out

Swing and a miss. Can't win em all I guess. 

[Qriist]

1 hour ago, (XBOX)sinamanthediva said:

I would normally say Have a pleasant tomorrow but the idea of you thinking I was hitting on you makes me noxious.

Spoiler

Okay AOC.

[(XBOX)sinamanthediva]

1 hour ago, Qriist said:

Okay AOC.

That actually would be amusing.... if I were female. 

[Cerikus]

11 hours ago, (XBOX)sinamanthediva said:

Always the gentleman, it is good to see your Elite objective self  around these parts as you have been missed!

Hii ^^ It's nice to see you too! The enjoyment of circuit is entirely based on player's mindset. If you go in and you want that one meta frame and weapon you've been using for hundreds of hours to be there, you will be only disappointed. If you go in and you are looking forward to being surprised and making it work, you will have fun.

I suspect it's not the company at all. I think it's combination of crossplay parity and trying to release more and better things. There always were bugs. Poeple already forgot what state first openworld was at or how Railjack "just worked". The current bugs are "mild annoyances" at best in comparison. The game is almost too large and every new update has to be balanced and bugfixed with combination of 53 characters and who knows how many mods, augments, systems, helminth, etc. It's hell. And on top of that. Since New war, we didn't really get any bad update. Maybe Veilbreaker, but the update and changes to the game were a great improvement, even if most people didn't enjoy Khal mission itself.

[CosmicHermitCrab]

15 hours ago, (XBOX)sinamanthediva said:

16 hours ago, Qriist said:

Okay AOC.

That actually would be amusing.... if I were female. 

Whelp, this thread seems to be a dumpster fire now, so I'll add onto it...

Every man likes a strong woman... 😆



AOC, my beautiful adulthood sweetie...oof
 

Forever without AOC, I will never be with you... 😭

Edited June 8 by CosmicHermitCrab

[(XBOX)sinamanthediva]

 

4 hours ago, CosmicHermitCrab said:

Whelp, this thread seems to be a dumpster fire now, so I'll add onto it...

Every man likes a strong woman... 😆

Yes so bring some marshmallows!

Not every man likes women. 

_{( For clarification: I like women, but not every man desires women. )}

[(XBOX)sinamanthediva]

12 hours ago, Cerikus said:

Hii ^^ It's nice to see you too! The enjoyment of circuit is entirely based on player's mindset. If you go in and you want that one meta frame and weapon you've been using for hundreds of hours to be there, you will be only disappointed. If you go in and you are looking forward to being surprised and making it work, you will have fun.

I suspect it's not the company at all. I think it's combination of crossplay parity and trying to release more and better things. There always were bugs. Poeple already forgot what state first openworld was at or how Railjack "just worked". The current bugs are "mild annoyances" at best in comparison. The game is almost too large and every new update has to be balanced and bugfixed with combination of 53 characters and who knows how many mods, augments, systems, helminth, etc. It's hell. And on top of that. Since New war, we didn't really get any bad update. Maybe Veilbreaker, but the update and changes to the game were a great improvement, even if most people didn't enjoy Khal mission itself.

I like the Circuit because I don't have to sit and watch a Meta Frame board wipe while I contribute nothing except a fresh coat of nail polish on my toes!  It was an attempt by DE to deter the Meta and encourage teamwork to progress in the circuit.  At least I would like to think that's the reason for SP but I'm sure it wasn't such an inspirational motive.  Regardless of why they made it, I like playing outside the box with Warframes that would have sat languishing in moth balls, because I think generally we all play our usual goto Warframes that we have set up to breeze through the Starchart missions.  At a bare minimum it encourages players to play a Warframe outside their comfort zone and some players don't like or want to play in such a manner.  I totally understand why some players do not like the randomness of the Circuit but I think it's a good concept that yes, could use a bit more tweaking to make it better, but the basic concept should remain as it's only one mission type amongst so much variety!

I totally get the complexity of the game and understand there will be bugs, but it is becoming more apparent that they are NOT testing enough before release of recent updates.  The Hate Incarnon Stagger Debacle is one that I can think of that is borderline gross negligence with Quality Control.  I think the problem is because of the Cert Process of consoles they can't fix things in a timely manner even if they know about the bug.  That is why they NEED to be extra diligent in the QC Dept BEFORE releasing updates.  It doesn't bode well for a company trying to attract New Players when those New Players can't play the game properly!   It has to be a higher priority than what it is now. 

I love all things Warframe and truly want it to flourish because a lot of us have invested MANY years in the game and watched it expand into the monster it is today!  I only criticize DE to make them better and sometimes they listen but mostly not, and that's life but they need to focus on making the game stable and playable to continue being successful. But as they continue to push out new content it becomes harder and harder for them to fix the backlog of problems that players have been complaining about for YEARS! 

Anyway, sorry to ramble but it's been a hot minute since your return to the Forums and am glad to see your opinionated self! 🙂  Stay and watch the drama unfold!

Have a pleasant tomorrow!

P.S.
Does anyone like the Kahl missions? I certainly don't! They were not fun the first 20 times and don't get any better with age or repetition!

[Cerikus]

36 minutes ago, (XBOX)sinamanthediva said:

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Yeah, I agree with everything. The thing I always remind myself with bugs is that the amount of "testing" players do is incomparable to the amount a studio can do.

Today's peak was 56k players. In an hour they do 56k of "playtesting". To match that DE would have to have an army... Let's say they employ 100 people to playtest everyday for 8 hours. That's 70 days of nonstop playtesting. And we generate all that in an hour.

Yeah the Hate incarnon situation is unfortunate, but I am almost sure it isn't a bug. They said it was, but it's not. Someone wanted it to be this way and it was easier to just claim it's a bug and "fix it". I would bet money on that. Big problem is the host migration issue. 

Btw... I still like Kahl missions. I told you I will like them even months later.

[CosmicHermitCrab]

2 hours ago, (XBOX)sinamanthediva said:

Yes so bring some marshmallows!

Not every man likes women. 

_{( For clarification: I like women, but not every man desires women. )}

True...bring the dirty sticks then. 🔥



@Cerikus I just want to say your general objective points I agree with, but some of your minor subjective points I don't, but I don't care to discuss them because they are both subjective and minor...But yeah, there's a list of reasons why I rather play Warframe than Destiny 2 and most other current F2P MMOs, and you pointed some of them out.

Edited June 9 by CosmicHermitCrab

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2小时前 , Cerikus 说:

Yeah, I agree with everything. The thing I always remind myself with bugs is that the amount of "testing" players do is incomparable to the amount a studio can do.

Today's peak was 56k players. In an hour they do 56k of "playtesting". To match that DE would have to have an army... Let's say they employ 100 people to playtest everyday for 8 hours. That's 70 days of nonstop playtesting. And we generate all that in an hour.

Yeah the Hate incarnon situation is unfortunate, but I am almost sure it isn't a bug. They said it was, but it's not. Someone wanted it to be this way and it was easier to just claim it's a bug and "fix it". I would bet money on that. Big problem is the host migration issue. 

Btw... I still like Kahl missions. I told you I will like them even months later.

Problem is these BUGs is totally not complex interaction. Tester/Developer just needs play it once time, and they actually should at least do it once. No matter is implement check itself or a QA test. They either don't run once or don't care publish bugs for players. Don't be blindly support DE :o