Why is 5k credits on the steelpath circuit reward table?

[Cookie_Monsta_]

I unlocked the incarnon weapons this week and thought hey, lets farm arcanes but I've completed it twice now and got 5k credits each time?
I'm trying to work out why this would be a reward for steelpath let alone steelpath circuit?

Totally understand why this would be a reward on normal circuit with new players starting out but steelpath circuit is for higher level players.
I can farm 5k credits on a low level mission in no time at all, just wondering why this is offered as a reward?

It's a little bit of a kick in the teeth as a reward for completing steelpath circuit more a reason not to continue after unlocking the incarnon weapons.

[Cookie_Monsta_]

I have 1.2m endo and 3m credits, I've had endo and credits a few times and like you say it just makes me stop playing.
After 2 runs tomight with 5k credits for each run I just logged out, I'll relog tomorrow for the incarnon refresh as playing past round 10 just seems a waste of time.

Edited June 4 by Cookie_Monsta_
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[0_The_F00l]

I haven't bothered going above rank 10 , but i will agree that the credit and endo is a pretty poor reward for a curated game mode.

[Lord_Drod]

dang, you are way loaded on endo, but hurting for credits pretty bad.  Although 5k is not going to help much, and yes I agree with you.  One of the biggest complaints for the circuit.

[Exxion]

5k credit reward on the tier 11+ Steel Path Circuit is completely baffling. I cannot imagine why they included it unless it was specifically to dilute the reward pool, which itself is a bad idea.

For reference, you get an automatic, guaranteed reward of nearly 35k from completing the absolute easiest and fastest Railjack mission in the game.

[Mr.SpookSpook]

Because DE enjoys unnecessarily pissing players off...

[ant99999]

I mean it's not like most of those arcanes are useful either. But credits and endo is on a whole other level. Took me one look at the rewards pool to never bother going over 10.

[Blackstrength]

I really like the Circuit. When playing with friends I'd even play it if there were no more rewards to earn.

Yet this credit cache makes me feel like the goal is to make people frustrated, and every time I got it, I stopped playing Duviri for the day.

What a way to shoot yourself in the foot :/

(There should be similar amount to Sorties for credits and endo at the very least)

Edited June 5 by Blackstrength

[LadyAnime]

The credits after the amount of TIME it took to get said credits made me want to never do circuit again. Having it happen TWICE in a row PLUS other people in the party getting the same thing? We all stopped playing for the night :/ 

[CosmicHermitCrab]

They should replace the credit and endo rewards after T10 with 2-5 steel essence and 5-10 patho clamps respectfully, IMO...That would be more balanced, imo.

Edited June 6 by CosmicHermitCrab

[Mithie]

Yeah this is pretty unforgivable. 

But let's do a thought experiment for a second - how much credits WOULD be a fair rotation reward for grinding out like, 5 rounds of duviri to make you at least go "Oh well, at least I got some credits out of it."

500k at least, right?

Would you grind out another duviri cycle for 500k space bucks?

Edited June 6 by Mithie

[Aasha]

I get the credit and endo reward more than any arcane. At this point I'm convinced they're just the filler reward - with highest drop rate - that's just there to keep us from getting our arcanes maxed too fast.

sometimes I'll polish of an extra tier if I'm near the edge of the bar after everyone in my squad got their 10. But it feels fifty-fifty that I'll get credits. I don't go out of my way to bother for extra anymore.

Edited June 6 by Aasha

[Aasha]

56 minutes ago, Mithie said:

Yeah this is pretty unforgivable. 

But let's do a thought experiment for a second - how much credits WOULD be a fair rotation reward for grinding out like, 5 rounds of duviri to make you at least go "Oh well, at least I got some credits out of it."

500k at least, right?

Would you grind out another duviri cycle for 500k space bucks?

Personally I don't think I'd seek out the credits through the circuit.

If I'm in dire need of credits I'd seek it out from something a bit more certain like the index. I'd never go somewhere specifically for credits that might not even drop any after 40 minutes to an hour of playing.

If I'm good on credits then getting credits feels like a wasted reward. But even if I didn't need it I probably wouldn't feel annoyed as quickly if they were giving me 1 mil rewards. Eventually even that would start annoying me though. They're never the reason people go to the circuit.

[Exxion]

1 hour ago, Mithie said:

Yeah this is pretty unforgivable. 

But let's do a thought experiment for a second - how much credits WOULD be a fair rotation reward for grinding out like, 5 rounds of duviri to make you at least go "Oh well, at least I got some credits out of it."

500k at least, right?

Would you grind out another duviri cycle for 500k space bucks?

If it were a million, it would at least not feel insulting, but it would still be better to just drop the credit and Endo rewards entirely. If they really feel that they need to dilute the arcane pool with some kind of resource caches, make them Pathos Clamps or Steel Essence or something.

[Wolfwaffe]

Because filler.

[CosmicHermitCrab]

According to the bottom statement of this referenced picture: 
Direct Reference of Above Image: 

The additional rewards are for those who continue to play Circuit because they find it "engaging," but isn't designed to be the main incentive to continue in this game mode, after finishing the main weekly reward track of SP Circuit. This is obviously a bit subjective, but 1k of endo or 10k of credits is more of a before-Steel Path reward category to me, imo.

Also, here's my thread regarding the drop rates for the associated credits and endo rewards, which aren't public yet probably:

 

Edited June 6 by CosmicHermitCrab

[Cookie_Monsta_]

On 2023-06-04 at 11:41 PM, Lord_Drod said:

dang, you are way loaded on endo, but hurting for credits pretty bad.  Although 5k is not going to help much, and yes I agree with you.  One of the biggest complaints for the circuit.

I have no use for credits at legendary 3, I have 3,400,000 credits and getting another 5000 for each run past 10 is a bit lame to say the least.

I have 1,100,000 kuva and 1,200,000 endo so the only thing I want from the Circuit are arcanes or Duviri resources.

EDIT: wasn't 3,400,000, my mistake, was 347,400,000 credits :)

Edited June 6 by Cookie_Monsta_

[Lord_Drod]

8 minutes ago, Cookie_Monsta_ said:

I have no use for credits at legendary 3, I have 3,400,000 credits and getting another 5000 for each run past 10 is a bit lame to say the least.

I have 1,100,000 kuva and 1,200,000 endo so the only thing I want from the Circuit are arcanes or Duviri resources.

3m credits? Everything you build takes credits.  Do you never buy from baro? I have like 98m also lr3 and similar kuva.  You're doubling my endo tho, but I have every mod maxed so I can relate.

[Frendh]

Having bad rewards mixed in is nothing new. We see this is many many other mission types.

[Blackstrength]

Le 06/06/2023 à 08:56, CosmicHermitCrab a dit :

The additional rewards are for those who continue to play Circuit because they find it "engaging," but isn't designed to be the main incentive to continue in this game mode, after finishing the main weekly reward track of SP Circuit. This is obviously a bit subjective, but 1k of endo or 10k of credits is more of a before-Steel Path reward category to me, imo.

Warframe is a Looter/Shooter. Even if someone finds the Circuit engaging as "Shooter" gameplay design, there needs to be similarly engaging "Looter" design. Otherwise the game mode is incomplete, people will stop playing it and those like me who came back for it will leave once again.

[sly_squash]

If I were you I'd just grab my daily arcane from main duviri each day and call it good.  At 10-20 clamps per arcane, at worst you'll have to do 2x runs at 20min each to get the clamps  (which is about how long you'll have to spend in circuit anyway) and the reward is guaranteed to be there each day (no trash credit/endo drops to worry about).

Plus you get more rare mats to build the incarnons with (marrow isn't as big a problem as, say, yao shrub) as well as opportunities to grab time-limited stuff from the vendor like captura scenes.

My plan is to keep bringing in one arcane per day this way until some of them start getting close to maxed and then buy up the rest for like 10-20p each R0.

[RLanzinger]

 Circuit extra reward :

• Normal : 1500 Credits / 250 Endo
• SP : one of the Five arcane / 5000 Credits / 1000 Endo

Extra credits or extra endo is basically around 4 times the Normal game reward, SP is usually +100% resources rewards so having 4 times the amount of credits is pretty generous for an endless type of mission in comparison or the normal table reward.

In comparison sorties are 50k credits or 4000 Endo per DAY.

Why credits or endo on such mission ? It's just another BASIC resources with the only advantage that it is more useful for everything unlike "Orokin cells" for examples. I have thousands of them even if i never farm, credits are at least usefull for any foundry or any Market (baro or Peer-to-peer).

 

[Voltage]

On 2023-06-04 at 7:27 PM, Exxion said:

5k credit reward on the tier 11+ Steel Path Circuit is completely baffling. I cannot imagine why they included it unless it was specifically to dilute the reward pool, which itself is a bad idea.

For reference, you get an automatic, guaranteed reward of nearly 35k from completing the absolute easiest and fastest Railjack mission in the game.

They could just do what they did with Trials and Eidolons where the pool dilution is done through weighted chance on Arcane rarity. They have years of precedence to work with and just settle for some of the worst decisions like this.

They better not do this same thing with the new "post-Orowyrm" portal objectives.

Edited June 10 by Voltage

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26 minutes ago, RLanzinger said:

Extra credits or extra endo is basically around 4 times the Normal game reward, SP is usually +100% resources rewards so having 4 times the amount of credits is pretty generous for an endless type of mission in comparison or the normal table reward.

In comparison sorties are 50k credits or 4000 Endo per day

What you're failing to realize in your comparison to sorties and other endless game modes is that in Circuit past tier 11+ you need to grind A LOT of rounds before you get a reward. It's not a single round like endless or even 3 missions like sorties, it's a lot and even more so if you get unlucky with pubs or rolls and need to keep restarting runs. I wouldn't mind 5k credits as much if I got a reward cache every single round, but the amount of grinding you need for a single reward tier is just stingy AF. DE dropped the ball really hard on this one and it blows my mind they thought 5k credits was an acceptable reward for 40-60 min of Steel path ganeplay.

[(XBOX)TehChubbyDugan]

People either will or already have (haven't checked yet.) defend the credits by saying "other games would just give you nothing.  So this is something instead of nothing."  But that's not a good defense.  It banks on the idea that getting nothing, or the equivalent of nothing is acceptable.  That it's okay to not be rewarded for your time.  The fact that people keep defending things like this is why the Mortuus Shoulder armor is still a drop in the Granum Void.  After you get one, it literally is a reward of nothing for a C rotation, because they get auto-deleted and you can't even sell them.  Completing a task and getting zero reward is not acceptable, and the longer people defend it, the worse the game will get.  

Every single rotation should reward pathos clamps, including the ones before you finish all tiers.  Every single SP rotation should also reward SE.  That way you are always getting an actual reward, and the 5k credits doesn't really matter, even though it should still be something different like endo or kuva or at least a higher amount of credits.