(XBOX)Hellsteeth30 Posted September 7, 2023 Share Posted September 7, 2023 Just a quicky, Natural Talent yes or no? A lot of builds seem to suggest yes, but she gets i-frames on her casts now of course. I'm not completely up on game mechanics yet, so not sure if it'd do more harm than good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pakaku Posted September 7, 2023 Share Posted September 7, 2023 Even if it wasn't about i-frames, her abilities cast fast enough for me to not bother. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zakkhar Posted September 7, 2023 Share Posted September 7, 2023 4 has pretty long cast. Cast speed also increases the area of effect of that ability due to charging mechanics. Range, minimum and maximum charge sizes, and the number of projectiles are not affected by mods. Targeting expansion and cast animation are affected by casting speed mods from Natural Talent and Speed Drift. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R4bbit0le Posted September 7, 2023 Share Posted September 7, 2023 In my opinion, only if you are doing a build with breach surge subsumed, otherwise maybe not. You have to think if a faster 4 cast is worth the mod slot. If you feel that ability is too slow I would recommend you try its augment Blending Talons first. Briefly, this makes the ability a quick explosion around Garuda when you tap, while retaining its normal channel if you choose to hold, scales with range and helps build combo counter. Up to you but casting speed will never do "more harm than good", if a faster 4 cast is comfy to you, please go with it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NinjaZeku Posted September 8, 2023 Share Posted September 8, 2023 11 hours ago, Zakkhar said: 4 has pretty long cast. Cast speed also increases the area of effect of that ability due to charging mechanics. Range, minimum and maximum charge sizes, and the number of projectiles are not affected by mods. Targeting expansion and cast animation are affected by casting speed mods from Natural Talent and Speed Drift. The way you phrased that makes it sound as if the AoE at max charge is increased, yet the very thing you quoted says Mods don't affect the AoE, you simply reach max charge faster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zakkhar Posted September 8, 2023 Share Posted September 8, 2023 3 minutes ago, NinjaZeku said: The way you phrased that makes it sound as if the AoE at max charge is increased, Because it is. The range doesnt change but the radius increases. My wording: " increases the area of effect of that ability due to charging mechanics" is correct. 5 minutes ago, NinjaZeku said: yet the very thing you quoted says Mods don't affect the AoE, you simply reach max charge faster. A lot faster. 25° (min charge size) 1s w/o NT, 0.66s with NT 95° (max charge size) 3,5s w/e NT, 2,33 with NT Here is a link to some guy old TC topic on reddit regarding this ability: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)Hellsteeth30 Posted September 8, 2023 Author Share Posted September 8, 2023 So NT affects charge times too, interesting, I shall have to mess around with it in simulacrum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewarette Posted September 8, 2023 Share Posted September 8, 2023 I've put one (or is it 2 ?) casting speed Archon Shard on her and... that's great actually. On her 4 obviously to reach the max range more quickly, but even the faster casts of 1-2 helps for surviving if you need. Less noticeable, shorter downtime when you cast her 3 helps not dying as well (even if it's sub-second range) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GPrime96 Posted September 10, 2023 Share Posted September 10, 2023 On 2023-09-07 at 4:04 PM, (XBOX)Hellsteeth30 said: Just a quicky, Natural Talent yes or no? A lot of builds seem to suggest yes, but she gets i-frames on her casts now of course. I'm not completely up on game mechanics yet, so not sure if it'd do more harm than good. I would give it a yes, Natural Talent is a great alternative to the yellow shards for Casting Speed. She’s one of the slowest frames in the game without Natural Talent so in higher level scenarios, that slowness would get you killed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traumtulpe Posted September 10, 2023 Share Posted September 10, 2023 On 2023-09-07 at 11:04 PM, (XBOX)Hellsteeth30 said: Just a quicky, Natural Talent yes or no? No, because that's what archon shards are for. If you don't have archon shards, then yes. Casting speed is the single most valuable stat you can put onto Garuda. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)Hellsteeth30 Posted September 10, 2023 Author Share Posted September 10, 2023 1 hour ago, Traumtulpe said: No, because that's what archon shards are for. If you don't have archon shards, then yes. Casting speed is the single most valuable stat you can put onto Garuda. Archons will laugh at me currently, so Natural Talent it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NinjaZeku Posted September 10, 2023 Share Posted September 10, 2023 1 hour ago, (XBOX)Hellsteeth30 said: Archons will laugh at me currently, so Natural Talent it is. You can buy Archon Shards from Chipper. Also, bring a (tanky) support Frame to Archon Hunts and you should make it through them easily enough with a decent Squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)Hellsteeth30 Posted September 10, 2023 Author Share Posted September 10, 2023 2 minutes ago, NinjaZeku said: You can buy Archon Shards from Chipper. Also, bring a (tanky) support Frame to Archon Hunts and you should make it through them easily enough with a decent Squad. Yeah, not doing those missions. New War was quite enough 'not Warframe' for me. Guess I could tweak Revenant, have his Mesmer aug. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GPrime96 Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 On 2023-09-10 at 6:26 AM, (XBOX)Hellsteeth30 said: Yeah, not doing those missions. New War was quite enough 'not Warframe' for me. Guess I could tweak Revenant, have his Mesmer aug. Revenant can just stand in front of the Archon and take it so good choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewarette Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 On 2023-09-10 at 1:26 PM, (XBOX)Hellsteeth30 said: Yeah, not doing those missions. New War was quite enough 'not Warframe' for me. Guess I could tweak Revenant, have his Mesmer aug. Max efficiency/duration Nyx with Assimilation augment is pretty much invulnerable at all times too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Just a quicky, Natural Talent yes or no?
A lot of builds seem to suggest yes, but she gets i-frames on her casts now of course.
I'm not completely up on game mechanics yet, so not sure if it'd do more harm than good.
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