Duviri frame farming and faster erly crafting

[Darlf]

well long story shot, duviri was move, what is ok, i think best time for duviri will be after secund dream, like i know people say no no, it after newa war so you have them OHHH in duviri, but it work both ways... so becuse duviri need now more time why not add even more frames for rotaton to grind ? and for some, even resorces they need, like bigest problem of caliban is not he is bad becuse he is just ok, but how anyoing it is to get him and resroces he need, why abaut change some part of his build so he no longer need all rare stuff of the universe and let farm him in duviri ? we may do it for other frames to, like we have titania and hildryn on loop soo we may add more quest frames or just anyoing to farm frames so players step into duviri and have somthing else to gridn that just khora and fortuna frames.

 

and rotation... well i think it may just made quest frames like titania ect, happend not that offten, meyby after more common frames show up 2 time, we alos my get gauss, to be fair right now any frame who have it prime it kinda just to lvl up and trow it ayway so just make it easy if someone not hurry up. 

 

 

alos whne come to new players... why not creating and give them crafting booster ?  your first  weapon will craft only 25% time secund 50% them 75% and them 100%... the same will be for frames but if you start crafting like rihno part first them all rihno part once will get that speed boost and them mein blueprint... or just making few days forget speed up who work only if you log to game this day or work for 2 days thme go off so it it cant be waste, so if we give like 10 days when evry few days it just get worst starting from like all crafting need just 20% time and end on 100% time it may give for players continuity of construction that other players have, alos entire system may start working in your first crafting who will be normal longer that 5h to be sure that new player will use that system. of crose someone who know will be able use it hard like grind and get all kinda stuff but to be fair for what ? erly players need a lot of time to lvl up one thing to max and most time literaly have just resorces for one frame or a weapon.  ah yes as well... what if Rihno boss or drop gal 50/50% chance ?, we alos may made boss who have soem frame on it have chance to just drop random resroces needed for that frame, or or, something much better, conver warframes and weapon ect ect boueprint into random resorces needed to build it, except some like shiny rocks alloys ect. a thing not needed for most of us but probady somethign that woud help new player.

[(NSW)MasterMewtwoIwantNeeko]

It's... a little hard to understand what you're trying to say, but I'll do my best to try.

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Duviri Paradox should be unlocked after Second Dream instead of New War. The Circuit should also have rare Warframes like Caliban in the reward pool.

You unlock it from completing the Uranus Junction though? Actually, you need to do Uranus before Neptune where Second Dream gets unlocked. In terms of story and gameplay progression, it's fine where it is. Duviri's for the most part irrelevant to much else, and follows an entirely different gameplay. For getting more Warframes from the Circuit, the cycle's probably fine though I've never really used it. The full Circuit reward cycle is like 4 months long though, it's already a huge wait if you intend on waiting for the reward selection instead of putting in the grind meanwhile. No need to add more things to make the wait even worse.

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Caliban's resource requirement to craft sucks. Have bosses drop resources needed for a given Warframe.

Well for Caliban, it's some mining, fishing, bounties for Narmer, and Veil Proxima to get the materials. The blueprints themselves are also gotten from Narmer bounties. Which, is a faction you don't see until after New War. If you're a new player your goal's probably to be grinding the prerequisite Necramech from the Entrati and you should already be used to that gameplay loop by the time you worry about the Sentient-made Warframe.

A Warframe like Rhino, unlocking materials from bosses (Jackal is Rhino's boss)... Rhino requires stuff like Alloy Plates, Ferrite, Polymer Bundles, and Rubedo. Jackal already has a chance to drop a region resource (like, near-guaranteed), which is Alloy Plates and Polymer Bundles from its home planet of Venus. Rhino's fairly low cost too, pretty sure, so the grind isn't even that bad.

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Give boosters to new players to lower their Foundry crafting time.

A player starts with like 2 slots for Warframes and I think close to 10 for weapons. The faster those Warframes get built, the faster you'll realize you have no space unless you pay to increase your inventory space. Would be a neat trick to make newbies sink a bunch of money in so they can speedrun their collection while all crafting's double speed during their first month though, not gonna lie. I support this suggestion.

[Darlf]

On 2024-09-01 at 10:58 AM, (NSW)MasterMewtwoIwantNeeko said:

A player starts with like 2 slots for Warframes and I think close to 10 for weapons. The faster those Warframes get built, the faster you'll realize you have no space unless you pay to increase your inventory space. Would be a neat trick to make newbies sink a bunch of money in so they can speedrun their collection while all crafting's double speed during their first month though, not gonna lie. I support this suggestion.

for that new player can pretty easy get one slot from nora

 

On 2024-09-01 at 10:58 AM, (NSW)MasterMewtwoIwantNeeko said:

Well for Caliban, it's some mining, fishing, bounties for Narmer, and Veil Proxima to get the materials. The blueprints themselves are also gotten from Narmer bounties. Which, is a faction you don't see until after New War. If you're a new player your goal's probably to be grinding the prerequisite Necramech from the Entrati and you should already be used to that gameplay loop by the time you worry about the Sentient-made Warframe.

caliban need literaly most ussleas resroce in a game, anomaly fragment, 

 

9 anomaly fragments -

one of few resorces that shoud be total delete from game becuse there is way to much one time trash who do nothing after you get that one or two items ( yes i know anomaly have mroe but it still trash ) and it anyoing to get, like sentients ships are just big and you most time just walk to find that 20 sentiens on ship that shoud have 200 of them.Well for 

20 Mortus Horn-

not very rare but still rare fish parts so you need kill mini boss or fish and have luck 

30 Breath of the Eidolon-

another rare resorces and not evryone farm eidalons

20 Tralok eyes-

another fish part that you may or may not find

30 Hexeon-

another rare stuf and why that nuber ? sure it easy to get just 30 but it look like they trow at caliban all rare resorces they can.

10 Neural Sensors-

i cant be made at this one it just so popular and you have a lot of it at this point but damm another rare resorce 

12 Silver potatos -

like others just oh i need two of thme for my blueprint and caliban go like i am chrome and potatos are my RAM and another rare recorce

100 Hespazm Alloy-

oh look another rare thing you need and who talke a lot of time to get 100 of it, that thign is literaly one of mein reason why peopel need so much time to build nerkomech

AND NOW ONLY 40 Narmer Isoplas-

40 of that thing is like why ? like caliban have literaly 0 common stuff on it and ok it woud be something if he was that crazy op warframe who is top metal 99% time or super crazy to master but become literaly god if play well like limbo... but he is avrage and 80% of his problem, be almost not played is his own build becuse no one want craft him. 

 

delete anomlay from game and evrything that use anomaly now use isoplast and you get it from anomaly ship 

 

trow away all fish parts and alloy and that hex from jupiter. now use some common stuff or liek chroma parts of warframes becuse is kinda like he is made from warframes so why not ? 

 

after his uptade he may be not avrage anymore and evryone get one of him but that thing fix nothing, evry new player still ignore him and his only hopes is that rework make him very very strong and not make his meins just leave him becuse so much changes, and then meyby if new players start see him almost evry game it may create loop whne people try get him anyway becuse evryone use caliban so it moust be worth it...    but probady after rework he go on top for a month and then go back to trash unstil we get prime caliban..  i still hope for tau forget not a prime :D 

[dwqrf]

il y a une heure, Darlf a dit :

but he is avrage and

Caliban was an extremely strong frame (was ; because since armor nerf, his armor strip is less valuable), but was generally hated because misundertood and hard to obtain. For some reasons, the hate-train was strong on him.

Still now, Caliban features really good tools ;

-Passive adaptative Damage Reduction for self, allies, and pets. Also affect Arcwhing.

-Multiplicative Debuff. (Spell 2)

-Damage Avoidance by summoning Conculyst that have a higher aggro than players, and also generate Shield and Overshield. (Spell 3)

-Defense Strip. (Spell 4)

All of that with a lot of Crowd Control.

If you manage to get passed his long animation and his high energy consumption, Caliban performs really well, even now after the Armor nerf. You just got to show him some love.

Note : His spell (1) is absolutely terrible. Helminth it away as soon as possible ! Nourish (Grendel's Helminth) solves his energy issue and can buff his Conculyst to do AoE Stagger+Viral when hit.

 

[Darlf]

On 2024-09-10 at 8:28 PM, dwqrf said:

Note : His spell (1) is absolutely terrible. Helminth it away as soon as possible ! Nourish (Grendel's Helminth) solves his energy issue and can buff his Conculyst to do AoE Stagger+Viral when hit.

we dont talk abaut that is forbidden...

 

caliban alywas have empty slot on his 1.

 

 

and i know i love him, and he is good but almost evry frame is good to he is avrage, alos his 4 i woud use it evne if it heal enemy only becuse how cool is look and full strip armor and shilds and not bad dmg who cna kill some steal enemy as well is nice too... but like i said he need total rewrok of blueprint ir he become not playable after nexst 2 yers whne most new players not be able get him for free like most player whne his rework finaly go public... 

[TomeWyrm]

On 2024-09-10 at 11:28 AM, dwqrf said:

-Passive adaptative Damage Reduction for self, allies, and pets. Also affect Arcwhing.

Doesn't stack with adaptation, and 50% is almost unnoticeable with how enemy damage works.

[Darlf]

On 2024-09-19 at 8:31 AM, TomeWyrm said:

Doesn't stack with adaptation, and 50% is almost unnoticeable with how enemy damage works.

but it stack for things normal adaptation not, alos adaptation and that thing stack to others reductions so you dont need lose mod slot for normal adaptation for some more % and use other reduction on top of that, 75% or how much adaptation can do is great but 50% is still a lot and on top of mirage -75% from her 1 or others reduction caliban can be almost imortal. you alos need remeber that endless steal path +1h is like 1% of games ? 3% if we take endless normal games +1h.   evry bit of reduction is great below enemy lvl 400 becuse most warframe would surival that one more or few hits if they have some hp/shilds.

 

Remeber evry frame have alywas one reduction on it, armor or/and shilds.

Armor can easy go up to 50% and shilds have 50% alywas, add for it another 50%, and meyby some one more reduction from other things and you go up to point where most enemy deal almost no damage  on normal and on standard 30 minuts endless steal, warframes still need few hits to destry shilds on that +1k from overshild.

 

and you dont evne need do much, you dont need make your frame tank to make it work,  pick some mods that turn used energy into shilds or some mod that add some hp or arrmro + whaat you need and done.  Most time that one more hit will save you.

 

and yes you cant just stay in one place becuse enemy attacks just melt you on steal but is not how it work evne overshild builds players can just stay in one place and need move, only imortal builds can do that on endles or combo of few frames... or hildryn XD

 

ah only place whne you almosy alywas end up havein 1k lvl enemy duviri can make calibna and his allys even more tanky dueo to just 1 perk that can give you yet another reduction. and all others perks that make you almost imposible to kill. 

 

is not greatest pasive but is very good pasive and better that half of them.

 

 

[TomeWyrm]

On 2024-10-03 at 6:10 AM, Darlf said:

but it stack for things normal adaptation not, alos adaptation and that thing stack to others reductions so you dont need lose mod slot for normal adaptation for some more % and use other reduction on top of that, 75% or how much adaptation can do is great but 50% is still a lot and on top of mirage -75% from her 1 or others reduction caliban can be almost imortal. you alos need remeber that endless steal path +1h is like 1% of games ? 3% if we take endless normal games +1h.   evry bit of reduction is great below enemy lvl 400 becuse most warframe would surival that one more or few hits if they have some hp/shilds.

 

Remeber evry frame have alywas one reduction on it, armor or/and shilds.

Armor can easy go up to 50% and shilds have 50% alywas, add for it another 50%, and meyby some one more reduction from other things and you go up to point where most enemy deal almost no damage  on normal and on standard 30 minuts endless steal, warframes still need few hits to destry shilds on that +1k from overshild.

 

and you dont evne need do much, you dont need make your frame tank to make it work,  pick some mods that turn used energy into shilds or some mod that add some hp or arrmro + whaat you need and done.  Most time that one more hit will save you.

 

and yes you cant just stay in one place becuse enemy attacks just melt you on steal but is not how it work evne overshild builds players can just stay in one place and need move, only imortal builds can do that on endles or combo of few frames... or hildryn XD

 

ah only place whne you almosy alywas end up havein 1k lvl enemy duviri can make calibna and his allys even more tanky dueo to just 1 perk that can give you yet another reduction. and all others perks that make you almost imposible to kill. 

 

is not greatest pasive but is very good pasive and better that half of them.

 

 

That's just actively wrong on so many levels.

It's Adaptation with a lower cap. It does everything Adaptation does and nothing adaptation doesn't.

Adaptation can do 90%... that's a TENFOLD increase in effective hitpoints. Caliban's only a 2x.

I never said anything about endless. Steel path also does exactly 0 to damage. The only thing that matters is level. And we have these new modes that are normal path called "Archimedea" and "Netracells" with level 400+ enemies.

2x EHP is literally unnoticeable for survival. Trust me. Go try it out in the Sim. Use Caliban and then another frame with no DR at all and the same health/armor/shield values. Then bring one with 90% DR. You'll notice the difference with the 90%.

Damage Reductions ALWAYS stack from different sources. Eclipse, Shatter Shield, Adaptation, Preserving Shell, Immolation, Splinter Storm, Null Star, Blessing. All stack. Go test it.

First, armor only applies to health, most of our damage is to shields. If you're taking health damage regularly on most frames, you're going to get downed. You did correctly identify that Tenno Shield has innate 50% DR though.

Second. Overguard doesn't get DR, and Overshields is something you don't normally get if you're not Harrow, Protea, or Hildryn.

Most of the time "one more hit" will just mean you take the next bullet of the dozens that are being fired at you every second to die. Again, go test in the Simulacrum. The difference is minuscule.

Duviri doesn't get high level enemies and rarely has frames in it. What you're thinking of is Circuit. Which is far from the only place you'll routinely see level 1k+ enemies. Cascade, disruption, endless fissures, all scale up to level 1k reasonably quickly. Also relying on getting any one perk out of a list of over 50 is just utter silliness. Just ask people how fun Koumei's 2 is to use when you want one specific decree. And no most of them don't make you "almost impossible to kill", most decrees increase your damage output. That doesn't do anything for your defense at all, so if you can't kill things, that's still an absolute problem.

Is it a useless passive? No. Is it ever worth thinking about? Also no.

[Darlf]

13 hours ago, TomeWyrm said:

Duviri doesn't get high level enemies and rarely has frames in it. What you're thinking of is Circuit. Which is far from the only place you'll routinely see level 1k+ enemies.

but only place whne you see them often. and from 

 

when come to his pasive do things adaptation dont, well it dose or it dose in past, im not sure what it was there was two things where adaptation just dont work but his pasive yes. and why is not worth thinking ? if that is not worth them there are abaut 4 frames that pasive is worth and probady only becuse it part of they skill combo. 

 

pasive skills are not crazy op but they are importand part of your frame and thinking abaut them in build is alywas something good. 

my caliban have 2 mein builds, one of thme use umbra mods and part of it is pasive that make him a litle bit more tanky

[Darlf]

13 hours ago, TomeWyrm said:

"Archimedea" and "Netracells" with level 400+ enemies.

yes there are enemy that are stronger but they still not scal like for endless, alos for some reason i feel like 90% damage of that fractio ncome from mele not range attaacks, and for archimedea chalalnge come from changes in game. where netracells are things i do almost only as caliban and trinity for some reason and it alywas work and alywas i can get few shots.