The_Swaggest_Of_Penguins Posted October 30 Share Posted October 30 I don't know how far from possible this would even be but it seems like it would make a lot of sense The New War introduced playing as Corpus and Grineer and the Dax. I don't know what everyone else's problem is with conclave but even when there are other players the warframes are too fast and trying to fight another one feels spammy. I thought PVP would greatly benefit from slower more controlled gameplay with big moments. I propose a new PVP game mode that takes place like an invasion where two factions are fighting against each other and players take up arms as either grineer or corpus. Then, like battlefront when players do something good earn a bonus they get to play as their warframe for limited time to turn the tide of battle. make a Khal of Duty a thing! I want to play as clem. And another thing, There are so many vehicles in the game but the only one I consistently use is the Archwing on open world missions. In a faction based PVP there could be a real defining use for the other vehicles that are cool but almost never get used like the Dargywn or maybe let the corpus us the K-drive And like Star Wars battle front 2 you could totally go space battles you already have the crewships and ram sleds and the ship tile sets going into space and back. It could be cool just saying This already makes sense with the lore of the invasions anyway. and the players could get the invasion rewards for doing the PVP if they wanted too. Also give endo as a reward. They already have a customizable Khal in the drifter camp. He just sits there. Let him do the PVP. I have no Idea how to balance it or make it so the rewards mesh with the other systems in the game. Conclave mods were not a good idea. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pakaku Posted October 31 Share Posted October 31 (edited) Why not just play SWBF in that case, and leave Conclave alone as the sort of arena-style shooter it's always been. Either way, I don't think hobbling around as a Kahl mook would appeal to many PvE or PvP players. Most players probably prefer to stay speedy and mobile in whichever gamemode they prefer to play, so who is this going to appeal to Edited October 31 by Pakaku 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zakkhar Posted October 31 Share Posted October 31 WIll you finance the servers for each region along with the bandwidth? Or will you host all the matces on your PC (it may explode)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OniDax Posted October 31 Share Posted October 31 (edited) 3 hours ago, The_Swaggest_Of_Penguins said: I don't know how far from possible this would even be but it seems like it would make a lot of sense The New War introduced playing as Corpus and Grineer and the Dax. I don't know what everyone else's problem is with conclave but even when there are other players the warframes are too fast and trying to fight another one feels spammy. I thought PVP would greatly benefit from slower more controlled gameplay with big moments. I propose a new PVP game mode that takes place like an invasion where two factions are fighting against each other and players take up arms as either grineer or corpus. Then, like battlefront when players do something good earn a bonus they get to play as their warframe for limited time to turn the tide of battle. make a Khal of Duty a thing! I want to play as clem. And another thing, There are so many vehicles in the game but the only one I consistently use is the Archwing on open world missions. In a faction based PVP there could be a real defining use for the other vehicles that are cool but almost never get used like the Dargywn or maybe let the corpus us the K-drive And like Star Wars battle front 2 you could totally go space battles you already have the crewships and ram sleds and the ship tile sets going into space and back. It could be cool just saying This already makes sense with the lore of the invasions anyway. and the players could get the invasion rewards for doing the PVP if they wanted too. Also give endo as a reward. They already have a customizable Khal in the drifter camp. He just sits there. Let him do the PVP. I have no Idea how to balance it or make it so the rewards mesh with the other systems in the game. Conclave mods were not a good idea. You can't do that here. You can't suggest Warframe be like some other game. Only DE can choose to copy something from another game. Only when they do it can you suggest that. I don't think Warframe needs that for PvP. I just want a PvE Battlefront-style space mode with Railjack, Archwings, playable space fighters, and NPC space fighters and capital ships. Edited October 31 by OniDax 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PublikDomain Posted October 31 Share Posted October 31 3 hours ago, The_Swaggest_Of_Penguins said: I don't know how far from possible this would even be but it seems like it would make a lot of sense The New War introduced playing as Corpus and Grineer and the Dax. I don't know what everyone else's problem is with conclave but even when there are other players the warframes are too fast and trying to fight another one feels spammy. I thought PVP would greatly benefit from slower more controlled gameplay with big moments. I propose a new PVP game mode that takes place like an invasion where two factions are fighting against each other and players take up arms as either grineer or corpus. Then, like battlefront when players do something good earn a bonus they get to play as their warframe for limited time to turn the tide of battle. make a Khal of Duty a thing! I want to play as clem. And another thing, There are so many vehicles in the game but the only one I consistently use is the Archwing on open world missions. In a faction based PVP there could be a real defining use for the other vehicles that are cool but almost never get used like the Dargywn or maybe let the corpus us the K-drive And like Star Wars battle front 2 you could totally go space battles you already have the crewships and ram sleds and the ship tile sets going into space and back. It could be cool just saying This already makes sense with the lore of the invasions anyway. and the players could get the invasion rewards for doing the PVP if they wanted too. Also give endo as a reward. They already have a customizable Khal in the drifter camp. He just sits there. Let him do the PVP. I have no Idea how to balance it or make it so the rewards mesh with the other systems in the game. Conclave mods were not a good idea. You might be in luck, at least for some small parts of this. It's too soon to know the full scope yet but there is mention of a █████ ████ in the █████████ for ████, and DE's been more active with Conclave recently than they have been in a while. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Okami_Amaterasu Posted Tuesday at 12:05 AM Share Posted Tuesday at 12:05 AM Feel free to go play Star Wars Battlefront then. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KlimTit Posted Tuesday at 04:14 AM Share Posted Tuesday at 04:14 AM Man WF players hate PvP There's nothing wrong with PvP if done right, the OP is right, Warframes are too fast paced for good PvP. The slower pace of playing a inferior faction makes more sense for PvP, I personally never play the kahl missions because I find PvE at that pace boring, but I think PvP with those factions would be hell of a lot of fun if it was done good. 4v4 corpus vs grineer interception would be awesome. Or even a new hardpoint type gamemode. The point is, PvP definitely has a spot in Warframe but this current Conclave is too fast paced for PvP to feel good, its not played for a reason. Why not slow it down with a feature that's already in the game, I can only see slower paced PvP being more fun and played more than current Conclave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tachmag Posted Tuesday at 03:46 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 03:46 PM 11 hours ago, KlimTit said: Man WF players hate PvP There's nothing wrong with PvP if done right, the OP is right, Warframes are too fast paced for good PvP. The slower pace of playing a inferior faction makes more sense for PvP, I personally never play the kahl missions because I find PvE at that pace boring, but I think PvP with those factions would be hell of a lot of fun if it was done good. 4v4 corpus vs grineer interception would be awesome. Or even a new hardpoint type gamemode. The point is, PvP definitely has a spot in Warframe but this current Conclave is too fast paced for PvP to feel good, its not played for a reason. Why not slow it down with a feature that's already in the game, I can only see slower paced PvP being more fun and played more than current Conclave. Here's a timeline: DE replaces current Conclave with a new hype PvP mode suggested by people who don't know anything about PvP (think Corpus vs Grineer, Necramechs, K-Drive races, Operator, etc) New mode gets massive influx of players because its new content Hype dies down, new PvE content released Gamemode gets abandoned because the real reason people don't play conclave is because the overwhelming majority of the playerbase doesn't really care much for PvP Gamemode has even less concurrent players than current Conclave because unlike current Conclave, it offers nothing that other shooters don't offer better. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KlimTit Posted Tuesday at 03:57 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 03:57 PM 4 minutes ago, Tachmag said: New mode gets massive influx of players because its new content Hype dies down, new PvE content released already happens with any new content... please come up with real point as to why it would effect the game in a negative way. 6 minutes ago, Tachmag said: DE replaces current Conclave with a new hype PvP mode suggested by people who don't know anything about PvP (think Corpus vs Grineer, Necramechs, K-Drive races, Operator, etc) Uh so you know everything about pvp? even though you basically said you don't care for pvp? 6 minutes ago, Tachmag said: Gamemode gets abandoned because the real reason people don't play conclave is because the overwhelming majority of the playerbase doesn't really care much for PvP makes sense Options and variety is such a bad thing I guess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tachmag Posted Tuesday at 04:09 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 04:09 PM (edited) 12 minutes ago, KlimTit said: already happens with any new content... please come up with real point as to why it would effect the game in a negative way. the point I'm making is that this rework would be made not for the existing player base, but for people who don't really care about PvP in general. 12 minutes ago, KlimTit said: Uh so you know everything about pvp? Almost, yeah. 12 minutes ago, KlimTit said: even though you basically said you don't care for pvp? When did I ever state this? 12 minutes ago, KlimTit said: Options and variety is such a bad thing I guess If this is an extra mode as opposed to a replacement, neat, I guess, but if they are willing to care about PvP, I'd much rather have the time and effort be dedicated to improving the existing PvP that uses the game's core gameplay. Edited Tuesday at 04:10 PM by Tachmag 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KlimTit Posted Tuesday at 08:35 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 08:35 PM 4 hours ago, Tachmag said: If this is an extra mode as opposed to a replacement, neat, I guess, but if they are willing to care about PvP, I'd much rather have the time and effort be dedicated to improving the existing PvP that uses the game's core gameplay. It seems you don't know as much about pvp as you think if you think a gamemode designed for fast paced pve will work for pvp. Please give some ideas to how it could be improved to work for pvp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tachmag Posted Tuesday at 09:54 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 09:54 PM 1 hour ago, KlimTit said: It seems you don't know as much about pvp as you think if you think a gamemode designed for fast paced pve will work for pvp. Please give some ideas to how it could be improved to work for pvp It already works for PvP just fine. Warframe players just don't have enough mechanical skill to make use of the game's movement while aiming, understandably so since PvE quickly becomes braindead past the initial starchart missions. Conclave needs improvements in many areas, but core movement and shooting is the one thing it does right. Turning it into S#&$ty Battlefield isn't gonna make it any better. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-AncientWarrior- Posted Wednesday at 06:29 PM Share Posted Wednesday at 06:29 PM On 2024-10-31 at 3:30 PM, OniDax said: I just want a PvE Battlefront-style space mode with Railjack, Archwings, playable space fighters, and NPC space fighters and capital ships. Yes please .. this !! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OniDax Posted Thursday at 02:31 AM Share Posted Thursday at 02:31 AM (edited) On 2024-11-05 at 10:46 AM, Tachmag said: Here's a timeline: DE replaces current Conclave with a new hype PvP mode suggested by people who don't know anything about PvP (think Corpus vs Grineer, Necramechs, K-Drive races, Operator, etc) New mode gets massive influx of players because its new content Hype dies down, new PvE content released Gamemode gets abandoned because the real reason people don't play conclave is because the overwhelming majority of the playerbase doesn't really care much for PvP Gamemode has even less concurrent players than current Conclave because unlike current Conclave, it offers nothing that other shooters don't offer better. Everything else you said is right, but just one thing I want to note about your 5th point: If DE offered a PvP gamemode, with the Warframes, and what it offered was as good as other AAA shooters, people would play it. It might not be the same people who only care about collecting new items, but the people who like PvP would absolutely play it and DE would attract players from outside of Warframe who would play it because they like PvP. Let's start asking for DE to be as good as or better than other shooters, and just maybe, they'll improve the gameplay and will offer stuff that is better. Edited Thursday at 02:44 AM by OniDax Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tachmag Posted Thursday at 01:48 PM Share Posted Thursday at 01:48 PM (edited) 11 hours ago, OniDax said: Everything else you said is right, but just one thing I want to note about your 5th point: If DE offered a PvP gamemode, with the Warframes, and what it offered was as good as other AAA shooters, people would play it. It might not be the same people who only care about collecting new items, but the people who like PvP would absolutely play it and DE would attract players from outside of Warframe who would play it because they like PvP. Let's start asking for DE to be as good as or better than other shooters, and just maybe, they'll improve the gameplay and will offer stuff that is better. I agree with that: if DE just improved current Conclave, it would be quite solid, albeit for new PvP players rather than the PvE playerbase. After all, Warframe PvE can't even be called a shooter at this point. Of note however is that one point that would need to be improved to attract an external PvP population is making all Conclave gear obtainable by playing Conclave, something like conclave-locked versions of weapons in Teshin's shop. Players looking for PvP usually aren't looking to farm PvE for hours a day just to get a particular piece of gear. Edited Thursday at 01:50 PM by Tachmag 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OniDax Posted Thursday at 06:34 PM Share Posted Thursday at 06:34 PM 4 hours ago, Tachmag said: I agree with that: if DE just improved current Conclave, it would be quite solid, albeit for new PvP players rather than the PvE playerbase. After all, Warframe PvE can't even be called a shooter at this point. Of note however is that one point that would need to be improved to attract an external PvP population is making all Conclave gear obtainable by playing Conclave, something like conclave-locked versions of weapons in Teshin's shop. Players looking for PvP usually aren't looking to farm PvE for hours a day just to get a particular piece of gear. The other thing with PvP is that the mode has to have rewards, but the focus has to be the gameplay experience, not the rewards. That's the opposite of their approach to PvE and it's the opposite of a lot of players' approach to Warframe. Gameplay mechanics are king in PvP. The rewards exist to enhance the gameplay. The gameplay doesn't exist merely to facilitate getting rewards. That's where IPs like COD have succeeded over 20+ years. I wish the entire game would be approached that way, where rewards enhance the gameplay experience rather than the gameplay merely being a medium through which you get rewards. If Warframe had the former approach, a lot of systems in the game would've been improved by now, including Conclave. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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