Still waiting Tennogen for Voruna

[KrunGS0]

Voruna Miyabi skin when ?

Voruna Erneix skin when ?

Ember get 2 skin in a row but some other warframe didn't get any...

[Xycelium]

I was confused on what you meant by that second skin, but now I realize it's reference to the Kuvael Drahkaanis Skin by Erneix.

Anyway, that one was recently updated not too long ago, and I'm pretty sure it wasn't reviewed yet while the Ember Technopyre skin was.

Also just to note, Ember Heirloom is separate from TennoGen so that isn't really a factor into what gets accepted.

Edited November 27 by Xycelium

[KrunGS0]

I didn't talk about Ember Heirloom like its a tennogen, its just to said that Ember get too much attention recently, especialy when you see all that warframe who didn't get tennogen accepted yet (Yareli, Voruna etc...).

[Xycelium]

1 hour ago, KrunGS0 said:

I didn't talk about Ember Heirloom like its a tennogen, its just to said that Ember get too much attention recently, especialy when you see all that warframe who didn't get tennogen accepted yet (Yareli, Voruna etc...).

Neither did I, as I making it clear that a Deluxe or Heirloom coming out wouldn't effect a TennoGen skin's acceptance. To me, it just doesn't make sense to point out other Warframes getting items at all, since it shifts the view of TennoGen as a community collaboration into a character popularity contest; which isn't what it is.

Also, there was a Yareli Helmet accepted: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2843402811

[Joezone619]

There is probably not that many voruna tennogen because of her hounds, you can take off the shoulders but not the hips, and they make her very difficult to fashion frame and design.

[KrunGS0]

Cool we get a awsome helmet, maybe the rusalka skin will be good too, maybe and again

On 2024-12-05 at 1:42 AM, Xycelium said:

Neither did I, as I making it clear that a Deluxe or Heirloom coming out wouldn't effect a TennoGen skin's acceptance. To me, it just doesn't make sense to point out other Warframes getting items at all, since it shifts the view of TennoGen as a community collaboration into a character popularity contest; which isn't what it is.

Also, there was a Yareli Helmet accepted: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2843402811

I don't care if it affects the acceptance of a Tennogen skin (I never said that by the way, Ember had skins one after the other, and it's bad faith to say they didn't want to play on popularity. Saryn, Excalibur, WISP I can find plenty of examples of Warframes that have had too many skins due to their popularity, unlike others).

 

On 2024-12-05 at 3:29 AM, Joezone619 said:

There is probably not that many voruna tennogen because of her hounds, you can take off the shoulders but not the hips, and they make her very difficult to fashion frame and design.

3 Voruna tennogen is already in the workshop (maybe more), i think its already a good number.

Edited December 7 by KrunGS0

[Xycelium]

3 hours ago, KrunGS0 said:

3 Voruna tennogen is already in the workshop (maybe more), i think its already a good number.

To be clear, Joe was stating one of the reasons for why aren't the number of Voruka skins are higher, is specifically in regards to the workshop.

3 hours ago, KrunGS0 said:

Cool we get a awsome helmet, maybe the rusalka skin will be good too

just note that the Rusalka helmet needs to be updated as it was given feedback back when it was released; https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2595524715&searchtext=rusalka

4 hours ago, KrunGS0 said:

I don't care if it affects the acceptance of a Tennogen skin

Okay. I agree.

4 hours ago, KrunGS0 said:

(I never said that by the way, Ember had skins one after the other, and it's bad faith to say they didn't want to play on popularity. Saryn, Excalibur, WISP I can find plenty of examples of Warframes that have had too many skins due to their popularity, unlike others).

Once again. Items are determined for eligibility by themselves. Other items do not affect them besides one that exist in the game compared to them, nor does an individual frame's success. Those factors only determine the rate in which those Warframes may have had skins made for them.

[KrunGS0]

21 hours ago, Xycelium said:

Once again. Items are determined for eligibility by themselves. Other items do not affect them besides one that exist in the game compared to them, nor does an individual frame's success. Those factors only determine the rate in which those Warframes may have had skins made for them.

And ? that didn't change the fact, ember get 2 skin one after one, and some other warframe, with tennogen in the workshop, didn't get any attention or item accept (not like some warframe), and again bad faith, especialy when we talking about wisp. You just need to look at all your comments; you focus on Yareli on points where yes, I’m wrong, but for Voruna, you dodge everything I say and go off-topic. At no point do you acknowledge that, despite the 3 Tennogen skins appearing for Voruna, none of them were "accepted"(keyword).

 

21 hours ago, Xycelium said:

To be clear, Joe was stating one of the reasons for why aren't the number of Voruka skins are higher, is specifically in regards to the workshop.

Ok guys stay focus, i don't care if  one warframe get 348 tennogen in the workshop, Ember get one skin made by DE + one skin accepted in the workshop, and some other warframe didn't get anything accepted in 1 or 2 years, that all.

Edited December 7 by KrunGS0

[Xycelium]

2 hours ago, KrunGS0 said:

Ok guys stay focus, i don't care if  one warframe get 348 tennogen in the workshop, Ember get one skin made by DE + one skin accepted in the workshop

And frankly, I don't care either if Ember got two skins before, as there's nothing about them that determines or affects other items from being accepted. That's why I'm saying this, it's to make it clear that once again, those items *do not* affect others acceptance. Right? Right.

2 hours ago, KrunGS0 said:

And ? that didn't change the fact, ember get 2 skin one after one, and some other warframe, with tennogen in the workshop, didn't get any attention or item accept (not like some warframe)

My guy, this is just something that happens. You should never expect anything from the Workshop to be accepted in the game, either in the exact state it was presented in or otherwise. Also, to claim that these items have no attention is not true because are still rating them highly and frequently appear on the Most Popular first page, and get direct feedback from the developers. In fact, the Ember skin you keep on complaining about, was submitted January 3rd and was only accepted almost 9 months later on the 2nd of October; these things take time and to blame DE for releasing the Ember Heirloom so they could influence their own decision towards also accepting an Ember skin... just doesn't make sense. Please, I would recommend greatly to not focus on this because this is creating a narrative within your worldview about how TennoGen works, that is fundamentally flawed from how it truly works. That is what I'm getting at, I'm really trying hard to drive you away from that point because it doesn't coincide with the system in place.

2 hours ago, KrunGS0 said:

again bad faith, especialy when we talking about wisp.

I already explained this.

7 hours ago, Xycelium said:

12 hours ago, KrunGS0 said:

(I never said that by the way, Ember had skins one after the other, and it's bad faith to say they didn't want to play on popularity. Saryn, Excalibur, WISP I can find plenty of examples of Warframes that have had too many skins due to their popularity, unlike others).

Once again. Items are determined for eligibility by themselves. Other items do not affect them besides one that exist in the game compared to them, nor does an individual frame's success. Those factors only determine the rate in which those Warframes may have had skins made for them.

It's not bad faith when I directly addressed how those factors do not influence the skins from getting accepted. You really think DE just said to Master Noob, the creator of that skin "Wow, this looks nice. Not because of it fitting the art style of the game or executing the shapes of the character well, but because we have an Heirloom skin for her on the way. It's accepted"? Because that would be terrible. That would basically make TennoGen artists in a constant juggle between making content for characters who are getting attention by DE in which they wouldn't even have time to capitalize in some cases because of how much time this stuff takes. You also gotta remember, there are technically less active artists before when it first started compared to now. Hell, some TG artists now work for DE (shout outs to artwarren and Arsenal) and some artists like Faven (Graxx series pioneer) and Hitsu San being caught up in their own projects. It happens. Time happens. And the best way to spend your time is not to blame, rather to contribute.

Not saying you need to make a Voruna skin, but making this thread was fine to ask questions, but immediately focusing it on another Warframe is not the way.

I'm not going to argue with the rest of your post since I understand your frustration, but please don't take it out on me and understand I am not here to dictate how you should think, rather to help you learn how these systems work.

[KrunGS0]

il y a 30 minutes, Xycelium a dit :

My guy, this is just something that happens. You should never expect anything from the Workshop to be accepted in the game, either in the exact state it was presented in or otherwise. Also, to claim that these items have no attention is not true because are still rating them highly and frequently appear on the Most Popular first page, and get direct feedback from the developers. In fact, the Ember skin you keep on complaining about, was submitted January 3rd and was only accepted almost 9 months later on the 2nd of October; these things take time and to blame DE for releasing the Ember Heirloom so they could influence their own decision towards also accepting an Ember skin... just doesn't make sense. Please, I would recommend greatly to not focus on this because this is creating a narrative within your worldview about how TennoGen works, that is fundamentally flawed from how it truly works. That is what I'm getting at, I'm really trying hard to drive you away from that point because it doesn't coincide with the system in place.

1: How does it change anything that 2 skins were accepted into the game? The fact is, 2 skins were accepted into the game.

2: The lack of attention from the developers who are doing nothing for these Warframes. I'm not talking about the popularity of the skins from the community's point of view; if that were the case, better things would have happened and much faster, 9 months later, same Voruna skin have more that 1 years in the workshop.

And stop saying that "these things take time and to blame DE for releasing the Ember Heirloom so they could influence their own decision towards also accepting an Ember skin... just doesn't make sense." DE are the first too put the camera right in the warframe fkin ass ok ! what you want to tell me its false ? they didn't do that on purpose ? lol, we get literaly a years of wisp skin.

 

il y a 30 minutes, Xycelium a dit :

It's not bad faith when I directly addressed how those factors do not influence the skins from getting accepted. You really think DE just said to Master Noob, the creator of that skin "Wow, this looks nice. Not because of it fitting the art style of the game or executing the shapes of the character well, but because we have an Heirloom skin for her on the way. It's accepted"? Because that would be terrible. That would basically make TennoGen artists in a constant juggle between making content for characters who are getting attention by DE in which they wouldn't even have time to capitalize in some cases because of how much time this stuff takes. You also gotta remember, there are technically less active artists before when it first started compared to now. Hell, some TG artists now work for DE (shout outs to artwarren and Arsenal) and some artists like Faven (Graxx series pioneer) and Hitsu San being caught up in their own projects. It happens. Time happens. And the best way to spend your time is not to blame, rather to contribute.

Not saying you need to make a Voruna skin, but making this thread was fine to ask questions, but immediately focusing it on another Warframe is not the way.

I'm not going to argue with the rest of your post since I understand your frustration, but please don't take it out on me and understand I am not here to dictate how you should think, rather to help you learn how these systems work.

What... the #*!%, They accepted 2 ember skin i   dont   give   a    #*!% if one official skin of DE influence one skin from tennogen, TWO SKIN WAS RIGHT HERE ACCEPTED FOR THE SAME WARFRAME, and AGAIN BD FAITH, because WISP, wisp get hella tennogen skin, wisp get deluxe skin, WISP GET A DEX SKIN !!!! its about what happen, and what happen is that TWO SKIN WAS ACCEPTED.

 

 

il y a 30 minutes, Xycelium a dit :

I'm not going to argue with the rest of your post since I understand your frustration, but please don't take it out on me and understand I am not here to dictate how you should think, rather to help you learn how these systems work.

I already KNOW THAT, TWO skin for Ember was accepted, that ALL.

 

"And frankly, I don't care either if Ember" so gtfo of my thread then i dont care about your explain, Ember get two skin, some warframe nothing.

Edited December 7 by KrunGS0

[Circle_of_Psi]

Dude the Graxx/Kuva Skin is DOPE!

13 hours ago, KrunGS0 said:

 So leave my thread then, I dont care about your explanation, Ember got two skins, while some warframes got nothing.

Not sure if English is your first language but hey I went ahead and fixed it. (Tho I spell like a 5 year old, so I don't blame you xD)

13 hours ago, Xycelium said:

I'm not going to argue with the rest of your post since I understand your frustration, but please don't take it out on me and understand I am not here to dictate how you should think, rather to help you learn how these systems work.

As for you Xyceilum, KrunGS0 has a very valid point and it's porb due to the way they are typing but allow me to try explain it here:

They are frustrated due to the fact that Ember not only had a Deluxe Skin (Outside of Tenngen), she also got a Tennogen skin itself, not too long after the deluxe was released, since as of right now she has 5 Skins that are Tennogen based and 2 Deluxe Skins that where handed by DE. While Wisp on the other hand has about 8 Tennogen skins (9 if you count the chest peice MADE for Wisp). As well as a a Deluxe Skin, the Baro Skin and Dax, this makes 12 skins for Wisp alone. Btw, Excal has 21 skins in total (a mix of Tennogen and DE Skins)

So KrunGS0 here is rightfully  frustrated that Voruna has only 1 skin, No Tennogen, No Deluxe Skins, only the Voidshell Skin that she came out with, cuz DE had a obsession with Voidskins.

You trying to help them learn how these systems work while completely glossing over the point they are trying to make really does make you seem like a real ignorant dude and arrogant person given you are trying to make them understand something they DO NOT want to know.

[KrunGS0]

il y a une heure, Circle_of_Psi a dit :

Not sure if English is your first language but hey I went ahead and fixed it. (Tho I spell like a 5 year old, so I don't blame you xD)

As for you Xyceilum, KrunGS0 has a very vaild point and it's porb due to the way they are typing but allow me to try explain it here:

They are frustrated due to the fact that Ember not only had a Deluxe Skin (Outside of Tenngen), she also got a Tennogen skin itself, not too long after the deluxe was released, since as of right now she has 5 Skins that are Tennogen based and 2 Deluxe Skins that where handed by DE. While Wisp on the other hand has about 8 Tennogen skins (9 if you count the chest peice MADE for Wisp). As well as a a Deluxe Skin, the Baro Skin and Dax, this makes 12 skins for Wisp alone. Btw, Excal has 21 skins in total (a mix of Tennogen and DE Skins)

So KrunGS0 here is rightfully  frustrated that Voruna has only 1 skin, No Tennogen, No Deluxe Skins, only the Voidshell Skin that she came out with, cuz DE had a obsession with Voidskins.

You trying to help them learn how these systems work while completely glossing over the point they are trying to make really does make you seem like a real ignorant dude and arrogant person given you are trying to make them understand something they DO NOT want to know.

Yes you right, english is not my first language, so my fault here.

I get down on my knees in front of you, thank you to explain my point, better than i will never do.

[Xycelium]

On 2024-12-07 at 8:47 AM, KrunGS0 said:

1: How does it change anything that 2 skins were accepted into the game? The fact is, 2 skins were accepted into the game.

Well, yes because the methods of TennoGen being created is very different in relation to how Deluxes are; one is community made and the other is made directly from the developers. In conventional terms, 1 item got accepted into the game and 1 item was added in the game. Keep in mind this, because I really do want to move the discussion away from the Heirloom Collections (and frankly Ember as well but I do have something I want to mention later).

On 2024-12-07 at 8:47 AM, KrunGS0 said:

2: The lack of attention from the developers who are doing nothing for these Warframes. I'm not talking about the popularity of the skins from the community's point of view; if that were the case, better things would have happened and much faster, 9 months later, same Voruna skin have more that 1 years in the workshop.

But they do give attention to these Warframes and their respective skins on the Workshop, its just not public for everyone to see as it's direct feedback being exchanged between the developers and the artists. I understand your frustration, but considering how one of the skins you mentioned was in fact recently updated shows that both the artist and DE are still working on getting it accepted into the game. These things do take time. In fact, Ember only got her 4th TennoGen skin 7 years after her previous ones; showcasing that just because a Warframe may be unfortunate enough to have 3 Deluxes developed for them, that won't be a reflection towards how they are treated in TennoGen.

On 2024-12-07 at 8:47 AM, KrunGS0 said:

What... the #*!%, They accepted 2 ember skin i   dont   give   a    #*!% if one official skin of DE influence one skin from tennogen, TWO SKIN WAS RIGHT HERE ACCEPTED FOR THE SAME WARFRAME, and AGAIN BD FAITH, because WISP, wisp get hella tennogen skin, wisp get deluxe skin, WISP GET A DEX SKIN !!!! its about what happen, and what happen is that TWO SKIN WAS ACCEPTED.

On 2024-12-07 at 8:47 AM, KrunGS0 said:

I already KNOW THAT, TWO skin for Ember was accepted, that ALL.

I don't see the point in bring up something only to then get extremely aggressive at me explaining their details and differences. I'm sorry because I was not intending for this.

23 hours ago, Circle_of_Psi said:

As for you Xyceilum, KrunGS0 has a very valid point and it's porb due to the way they are typing but allow me to try explain it here:

They are frustrated due to the fact that Ember not only had a Deluxe Skin (Outside of Tenngen), she also got a Tennogen skin itself, not too long after the deluxe was released, since as of right now she has 5 Skins that are Tennogen based and 2 Deluxe Skins that where handed by DE. While Wisp on the other hand has about 8 Tennogen skins (9 if you count the chest peice MADE for Wisp). As well as a a Deluxe Skin, the Baro Skin and Dax, this makes 12 skins for Wisp alone. Btw, Excal has 21 skins in total (a mix of Tennogen and DE Skins)

Small correction, Ember has 4 TennoGen skins and 3 Deluxes. And another, Wisp has 7 TennoGen skins and 1 TennoGen helmet; and frankly a Chest Armor being added that was paired with another TennoGen does NOT count as a skin. Unless you did mean Items in total, then that's fine, but again the Chest Piece itself is not exclusive for Wisp so I can't really give that leverage. Especially considering that would mean certain Warframes like Lavos and Sevagoth would technically have 3 or 2 items respectively due to Syandanas with their design being accepted as well (despite again, them being usable by any). And once again, just to put into perspective of TennoGen, Excalibur has 3 helmets and 10 skins from it.

The thing is, the reason why I am not necessarily considering or putting into factor DE-made items, is simply that it distracts from how TennoGen works.

1. Item gets submitted into the Workshop by the Artist(s)
2. After around 1-2 months, the item is reviewed and then given two options; either give small feedback for specific adjustments for acceptance OR deny the item while still giving feedback in regards to expected changes towards that reflect DE's guidelines for TennoGen (which can be found here btw: https://www.warframe.com/steamworkshop/content-creator-art-style-guide)
3. For the first outcome, the next time DE does a large or significant update for Warframe, they will add those TennoGen items
4. For the second outcome, the artist will have to work on the item and resubmit for the next chance at its acceptance.

Now considering all of this, I really don't think its fair to assume that Deluxe skins have any influence over these items being accepted. The only one that I could ever see truly used for this argument is the Limbo Limina skin due to it being apart of a specific faction available for TennoGen (that being Sentient), but then again that's not a direct effect either. To put it simply, it would not make sense for DE to accept skins on the basis of their own items existing, rather than using them as references towards whether or not they match certain aesthetics / designs. Because I cannot imagine a piece of feedback going "Eh, not as good as our Deluxe skin" to be valid criticism nor does "Wow, this is just as good as our Deluxe skin" to be constructive in anyway.

That's what I'm getting at here. Deluxes and another in-house items may influence an artist's decision to work on a skin or even its style, but that's really it.

23 hours ago, Circle_of_Psi said:

So KrunGS0 here is rightfully  frustrated that Voruna has only 1 skin, No Tennogen, No Deluxe Skins, only the Voidshell Skin that she came out with, cuz DE had a obsession with Voidskins.

I completely understand this, and I know about this already. However, this frustration should not be put out towards me and frankly not towards TennoGen nor DE because as I said before; constructive feedback and/or suggestions help way much more than pointing the blame onto aspects of the game that do not affect this system. As I said before, these things take time and frankly I can't even tell you how long it will take for a TennoGen item to be made for any Warframe. 

23 hours ago, Circle_of_Psi said:

You trying to help them learn how these systems work while completely glossing over the point they are trying to make really does make you seem like a real ignorant dude and arrogant person given you are trying to make them understand something they DO NOT want to know.

But not knowing how these systems work does factor into their frustration. That's what I tried to deter from even in my first post here.

And trust me when I say this, but I do understand their point. It's extremely simple too. However, constantly bringing up other Warframes and how many Deluxes exist just distracts from the actual Warframe being discussed here, being Voruna. I could not imagine making a thread about how I want another Atlas skin, with the OP having nothing but loathing and contempt for other more fortunate Warframes. To me, that doesn't ring as someone wanting skins, rather just complaining about them.

I get it, frustration does inspire at much as it can distract but I would want someone to be at least informed with their emotions in mind to get a better perspective on how all of this works, so that in the future, more constructive ideas can stem from it instead. Once again, I'm truly sorry. My intention was only to help.