Why are the guns so bad in this game?? Its a shooter.

[Nach0man]

As a new player I still have yet to find a gun that actually feels like a weapon. Particularly compared to how good the melee in this game is by comparison.

14 mastery ranks and I can take literally any level 1 melee weapon into a steel path and do fine.

A level 1 gun will not be able to kill things in a level 30 mission.

 

This game is a shooter is it not? I swear thats what it says on the store page, not hack and slash... at what point do guns start competing with melee in this game, or do they ever? I literally do not even carry a secondary on my frames as they are so incredibly bad.

[GG320]

You just have seemingly never stumbled upon the more busted ones. That or you aren't building them properly. Guns have been competing with, if not outperforming melees by a good margin for a while now. Go kill a Lich/Sister or grind some Zariman rep, they give good guns.

[Tiltskillet]

Melee is definitely simpler to use effectively.  Other than that, I wouldn't say melee is superior. 

I'd suspect like GG320 said, it's a matter of what weapons you've tried or build issues.  What the melee, primary, and secondary that's worked best for you so far?

[BroDutt]

5 hours ago, Nach0man said:

As a new player I still have yet to find a gun that actually feels like a weapon. Particularly compared to how good the melee in this game is by comparison.

14 mastery ranks and I can take literally any level 1 melee weapon into a steel path and do fine.

A level 1 gun will not be able to kill things in a level 30 mission.

 

This game is a shooter is it not? I swear thats what it says on the store page, not hack and slash... at what point do guns start competing with melee in this game, or do they ever? I literally do not even carry a secondary on my frames as they are so incredibly bad.

Either you haven't got a galvanized mod or didn't max those mods, there's also steel path arcanes like Primary mercilles, etc.

Those are the one that made guns surpassed melee until DE release melee arcane and galvanized melee mod.

Edited November 29 by BroDutt

[kadlis12]

In the beginning, melee feels significantly stronger because you do not need to aim - or generally think at all. You even get some bonus capacity from the stance so that you can fit in more "power" easily. However, it has a downside - you need to get close and it is really hard to actually aim, which makes some enemies needlessly difficult to deal with.

Once the Tenno is fully developed, a lot of ranged weapons suffer from the single-target curse. While melees get even more splash, single-target rifles do not. That might feel underwhelming when dealing with masses of mobs... but then again, there is a variety of weapons with multiple designs in the game. Just try more, some might suit your needs.

So, in general, I would say it is a question of expectation. If you expect a single target weapon to clean a room, it takes time. But if you ask a nuke to deal a precise strikes, you are out of luck as well. Just use the weapons for purposes they are designed to do.

[quxier]

I'm confused. Are we talking about level ~130 & steel path? Then it's not NEW PLAYER thing.

Are we talking about literal normal path 30 level? Check your weapon. Maybe you picked wrong config (e.g. no mod). Vermisplicer is one-shooting in Oxomoco/Void. Bronco (level 0, hornet strike + viral mods) doing "fine" on Oxocomoco. Or maybe you have Dragon key equipped (e.g -damage)

[Zakkhar]

1 hour ago, quxier said:

I'm confused. Are we talking about level ~130 & steel path? Then it's not NEW PLAYER thing.

It sadly is. Many recent changes make people streamline through the game in order to reach the mythic end game as fast as possible. Losing all the fun in the process.

[quxier]

32 minutes ago, Zakkhar said:

It sadly is. Many recent changes make people streamline through the game in order to reach the mythic end game as fast as possible. Losing all the fun in the process.

You still have to beat whole starchart so it's not "new new player". Sure it's easier but nowhere near that level where you expect to pick gun and it would work with random mods.

[Zakkhar]

20 hours ago, quxier said:

Sure it's easier but nowhere near that level where you expect to pick gun and it would work with random mods.

There is an autoinstall option. Do not have to tell you how bad it is, but works for most of the base startchart (especially if you are taxid/carried everywhere and sadly people are).

Edited December 1 by Zakkhar