I hate hearing about how amazing the community always is.

[MrDugan]

Maybe I just have a jackass magnet attached to my lander, but I am always encountering the absolute worst players.

I joined a group from recruit for Exploiter, since I need the toroids still and I keep putting it off.  The group is pretty mediocre in terms of them playing the objective, but it's still better than running it solo, and they are trying.  I said literally nothing the whole mission, other than asking how many times we were running it.  There was no bad behavior of any kind from anyone, and then the fight's over and I'm lead to believe from my previous question that we're running it again.  I was the one that spent my thermia to start the fight in the first place. 

Forced host migration because the host left squad after one, and just said screw everyone else, good luck with that host migration.  And it's warframe, and DE's garbage netcode, so it fails immediately, and I get sent back to my orbiter with no reward and a mission failed screen.  I spent my thermia, I did most of the work during the fight, and I got left out to dry with a big fat middle finger and I'm too angry to play.  People that do this kind of sour, sorry, toxic BS need consequences that I can't give them and it's absolutely maddening.

"Such a great community!"  Yet you'll get recommended constantly to just play solo because of how crappy everyone is in matches with strangers, and play solo I do.  Every time I don't run solo it's either a bunch of people that can't focus on the simplest of objectives, or it's people actively griefing the squad any way they can.  Running with this community is a massive disappointment the vast majority of the time.

And before anyone tells me to contact support, I should not have to contact support and then wait for god knows how long to correct an issue that some jackass caused for me.  And no, they didn't get added to my inventory despite the mission failed screen, I'm like 95% sure.  Because I am nearly positive I know how many I had before the mission and it's the same amount as after.  A waste of my time, effort and probably my thermia, all so someone else could be luggage and catch a free ride and then screw everyone else over.

And another preempt:  Save your empty platitudes.  "Must be you if you're always encountering bad people."  There.  I said the completely empty, meaningless thing that sounds good for you, despite holding no weight.  I'm not the one griefing people like this, or expecting to be hard carried while I watch netflix.

Edited November 29 by MrDugan

[Ace-Bounty-Hunter]

[MrDugan]

1 minute ago, Ace-Bounty-Hunter said:

No, I get cranky when this community screws me over on purpose.  Which it seems to try to do every time I go off solo.  I despise having my time stolen from me like this.

[(PSN)Unstar]

I use automated matchmaking for 99% of the missions I do, and almost every one of them goes smoothly.  That gives me the perception that overall the community is fine.

That said, I do sometimes have the type of experience you're having right here.  And you have my compassion, because it does suck to have your efforts and resources lost.

When that happens, often my gut instinct is to be mad at this jerk who seemingly didn't care about the impact their actions had on me.  But then I try to check myself.  Did this player really do this on purpose?  Or is it possible that they simply didn't know the potential impact of their actions?  And most of the time, I can't be sure.  Because these types of failed migrations happen so rarely nowadays (at least, in my experience) that I'm sure there are plenty of players that have never had the misfortune of learning that host migrations can result in loss.  And the more I play Warframe, the more likely it is that I'm going to be paired with such players, and sometimes that might result in a host migration because they wouldn't know to do otherwise.

When I think about it like that, my anger cools off a bit.  The legitimate possibility that this could just be the result of people who were doing their best means there might not actually be anyone to be mad at.  And something about that allows me to move on.

At least once after such a host migration has happened, I've sent a kindly-worded message to the person who left and caused the host migration.  I don't remember exactly what it said, but something like, "Hey, I just wanted to let you know that when you leave as the host, it causes a host migration for the other players, and sometimes that can lead to long load times or loss of rewards.  I figured you probably just didn't know so I wanted to share that information, so folks don't get mad at you down the line!"  And the person replied with something like, "Oh, sorry, I didn't know." and I was like, "It's cool, have a good one!"  And after that, there was literally nothing to be mad at.  They didn't know, they were gracious about it, and I had just made the Origin System a better place by spreading information that would help my fellow Tenno.

Maybe something similar would help you feel better the next time something like this happens?  Or alternatively, maybe you'll discover that they actually were the monster your gut told you they were.  But either way, you won't just have a feeling, you'll have data that gives you more certainty.

Hope your day gets better, Tenno. 

[(PSN)robotwars7]

pugs gonna pug, and every community has it's good and bad.

when people say the community here is amazing, I imagine it's usually in the context that you're more likely (not guaranteed) to run into someone who is genuinely helpful and/or will give you a positive experience, than running into someone who is negative.. in my experience I'd say it's 80/20 in favour of good apples, but that also means you remember the bad ones more. 

I'd say it's better than some other communities, but there's always areas for improvement.. just look at region chat (actually don't)..

[OniDax]

1 hour ago, MrDugan said:

 

A number of people treat this community like a cult, so they present everything about the game and its community as perfect and exceptional compared to the rest of the industry.

[damongautama]

We are all going to judge the community based on our own experience. It sounds like you have had enough bad experiences that calling it a good community makes no sense to you. I almost always run in public groups, and I have a bad experience at most 5% of the time. So from my experience, it is clearly a good community.

Of course, there will be local variation. I live in Korea, so I am mostly matched with Korean, Chinese, or Japanese players. Maybe that is a particularly good pool to match with. I also cannot assume communication is possible, since many (most?) of my squad mates comments come to me as "********".

[TennoPain]

Idk I have been here for a while (cough,cough) begining We have all kinds of players and thats what makes community stronger 

World will never be perfect as long as 2 different minds exist but regarding negative players Warframe has insignificant amount of them.

We all lift together and help each other its a CO-OP game so we all benefit if we have strong/better/equiped/expirienced players hance why people help each others.

You got 1 thing right out of milions examples i can give you you stuck on only bad ones. 

Albert Einstein had few words to say about that :  Out of 10 people remember 1 bad thing and ignore 9 good ones. 

Edited November 30 by TennoPain
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[CephalonOlphus]

3 minutes ago, OniDax said:

A number of people treat this community like a cult, so they present everything about the game and its community as perfect and exceptional compared to the rest of the industry.

I know this is your schtick, but having been a part of many game communities this is by far one of the best.

[OniDax]

10 minutes ago, CephalonOlphus said:

I know this is your schtick, but having been a part of many game communities this is by far one of the best.

I'm happy for you, but I've been in better communities where players don't try to silence any constructive criticism of the game, simply because it suggests that DE and Warframe aren't the best thing in the industry. Having been a part of many gaming communities, this has been by far the most anti-feedback community I've been a part of, particularly when it comes to suggesting improvements to core design elements and gameplay mechanics. This is a community that would rather pretend Warframe is the most popular game in the world, with the most perfect dev team in the world, with the best gameplay mechanics and features, instead of accepting and championing feedback that would actually help Warframe get to that level.

Much like a cult, this community is nice as long as people are singing the same tune and uplifting the company and its product. The moment someone says something that counters that sentiment, the tune of that changes, whether that's pointing out issues with how DE has designed certain parts of the game or if it's acknowledging that this community, like all gaming communities, has a minority of rude players. The narrative of "the Warframe community is the best ever" is just that: a subjective, exaggerated narrative. The Warframe community is mostly like any other community, except the fact that the loudest voices try to perpetuate the idea that Warframe is better than other games in most areas and that DE is a better studio that most others and shut down any comment that contradicts that. The Star Wars community acts in a similar manner.

[quxier]

1 hour ago, MrDugan said:

I joined a group from recruit for Exploiter, since I need the toroids still and I keep putting it off.  The group is pretty mediocre in terms of them playing the objective, but it's still better than running it solo, and they are trying.  I said literally nothing the whole mission, other than asking how many times we were running it.  There was no bad behavior of any kind from anyone, and then the fight's over and I'm lead to believe from my previous question that we're running it again.  I was the one that spent my thermia to start the fight in the first place. 

Forced host migration because the host left squad after one, and just said screw everyone else, good luck with that host migration.  And it's warframe, and DE's garbage netcode, so it fails immediately, and I get sent back to my orbiter with no reward and a mission failed screen.  I spent my thermia, I did most of the work during the fight, and I got left out to dry with a big fat middle finger and I'm too angry to play.  People that do this kind of sour, sorry, toxic BS need consequences that I can't give them and it's absolutely maddening.

Few question because your post is missing them:

1) do teammates or at least host said that they will continue?

2) Did the host waited for you to extract?

3) Did the host JUST turned off game (or disconnected)?

If it was 1+3 then stuff happens for everyone. It may be host it maybe just random event + DE's stuff.

If it was 2 and maybe 1 then it's ON YOU (your fault).

And if you have answered NO to 1) and yet you believed that they wanted to continue then... it's on you.

[ominumi]

Host Migration issues isn't on DE since missions are mainly peer to peer. 98% of host migration issues are on player's end.

[CephalonOlphus]

8 minutes ago, OniDax said:

I'm happy for you, but I've been in better communities where players don't try to silence any constructive criticism of the game, simply because it suggests that DE and Warframe aren't the best thing in the industry. Having been a part of many gaming communities, this has been by far the most anti-feedback community I've been a part of, particularly when it comes to suggesting improvements to core design elements and gameplay mechanics. This is a community that would rather pretend Warframe is the most popular game in the world, with the most perfect dev team in the world, with the best gameplay mechanics and features, instead of accepting and championing feedback that would actually help Warframe get to that level.

Much like a cult, this community is nice as long as people are singing the same tune and uplifting the company and its product. The moment someone says something that counters that sentiment, the tune of that changes, whether that's pointing out issues with how DE has designed certain parts of the game or if it's acknowledging that this community, like all gaming communities, has a minority of rude players. The narrative of "the Warframe community is the best ever" is just that: a subjective, exaggerated narrative. The Warframe community is mostly like any other community, except the fact that the loudest voices try to perpetuate the idea that Warframe is better than other games in most areas and that DE is a better studio that most others and shut down any comment that contradicts that. The Star Wars community acts in a similar manner.

Look, 90% of the players in this forum don't understand constructive criticism. The amount of terrible ideas and bad takes that come from general discussion alone should tell you that. Constructive criticism needs to be exactly that, CONSTRUCTIVE. What regularly happens is someone will make a post with an idea, but surround it with a bunch of vitriol and insult the devs or players, which isn't helpful at all.

There are many threads i've seen over the years with actual good criticisms that are well received. And there are threads where someone complains about players in public matchmaking and asks for it to be disabled unironically.

I certainly agree that some people can be pretty blindly zealous for their favourite devs, but pushing back against criticism doesn't just make those who do it a cult.

[OniDax]

3 minutes ago, CephalonOlphus said:

Look, 90% of the players in this forum don't understand constructive criticism. The amount of terrible ideas and bad takes that come from general discussion alone should tell you that. Constructive criticism needs to be exactly that, CONSTRUCTIVE. What regularly happens is someone will make a post with an idea, but surround it with a bunch of vitriol and insult the devs or players, which isn't helpful at all.

There are many threads i've seen over the years with actual good criticisms that are well received. And there are threads where someone complains about players in public matchmaking and asks for it to be disabled unironically.

I certainly agree that some people can be pretty blindly zealous for their favourite devs, but pushing back against criticism doesn't just make those who do it a cult.

And this community tries to silence the 10% who do understand constructive criticism.

[Voltage]

28 minutes ago, OniDax said:

I'm happy for you, but I've been in better communities where players don't try to silence any constructive criticism of the game, simply because it suggests that DE and Warframe aren't the best thing in the industry. Having been a part of many gaming communities, this has been by far the most anti-feedback community I've been a part of, particularly when it comes to suggesting improvements to core design elements and gameplay mechanics. This is a community that would rather pretend Warframe is the most popular game in the world, with the most perfect dev team in the world, with the best gameplay mechanics and features, instead of accepting and championing feedback that would actually help Warframe get to that level.

Much like a cult, this community is nice as long as people are singing the same tune and uplifting the company and its product. The moment someone says something that counters that sentiment, the tune of that changes, whether that's pointing out issues with how DE has designed certain parts of the game or if it's acknowledging that this community, like all gaming communities, has a minority of rude players. The narrative of "the Warframe community is the best ever" is just that: a subjective, exaggerated narrative. The Warframe community is mostly like any other community, except the fact that the loudest voices try to perpetuate the idea that Warframe is better than other games in most areas and that DE is a better studio that most others and shut down any comment that contradicts that. The Star Wars community acts in a similar manner.

I've been noticing this for years. It's also why I never touch the Warframe Reddit, because unlike here, that platform is designed to only cater to whatever the "tune" is of a specific community.

1 minute ago, OniDax said:

And this community tries to silence the 10% who do understand constructive criticism.

Yep.

[sly_squash]

If you think a host leaving their squad cuz the mission's progressing a little too slow is bad, wait until you meet the trading community...

Note:  This compilation is old.  I have hundreds more conversations just like this logged for a future compilation.
Community is... not good sorry.

Edited November 30 by sly_squash

[Lord_Drod]

2 hours ago, Voltage said:

I've been noticing this for years. 

Is this really true though?  In my short time on these forums I feel like you in particular have given the devs plenty of good feedback and get plenty of support from the community.  

Also, you're looking at the game differently from 90% of players who will never compare to your experience level.

[0_The_F00l]

Warframe community is not any better or worse than others , it's just people being people.

I am sorry you had a bad experience but that's not indicative of the community as  a whole.

If you are up the same time I am (and the ping isn't too bad) then I would be happy to be your +1 for getting the exploiter again.

[Shinoyami65]

3 hours ago, OniDax said:

A number of people treat this community like a cult, so they present everything about the game and its community as perfect and exceptional compared to the rest of the industry.

This seems to be a tendency in every game with a half-decent online community. The same thing happens in FF14 with people raving about how good the community is relative to other MMOs. Ultimately they're only 'good' relative to how terrible other gaming communities are, and there are still a lot of bad eggs out there.

[Quest]

at least he didnt name and shame

[GreyhawkTheAngry]

6 hours ago, OniDax said:

A number of people treat this community like a cult, so they present everything about the game and its community as perfect and exceptional compared to the rest of the industry.

Good grief, isn't this the truth. It's been getting genuinely eerie lately, and not just on this forum, but other platforms for Warframe discussions as well.

[RichardKam]

I stop believing in "good community" in this game ever since I tried pub tridolon once (1), five years ago.

[Dunkelheit]

This game is still played by normal people, not some alien race who is super friendly 100% of the time.

Trade chat is full of greedy people, like you expect from a trade chat.

In missions you can still encounter angry and depressed people who like to screw over their fellow tennos.

But... this is exceptionally rare in this game where as in games like League of Legends you will become flamed and harassed every.single.game. Which is a huge difference.

Try to ask questions in the appropriate channel and tell me you do not get help.
Try to find a group in the appropriate channel and 95% of the time, you will have a great and amazing group with players.

I play this game  for 11 years now and yeah, sometimes host migration screws you and you leave with no loot, we all had this happen, but it is super, super rare.

On the other hand, this game excels in finding fellow players to play with. Join a clan, join an alliance, join their Dicord and there is a nice chance you will play with some nice people that will help you all the time.

But instead helping yourself with tools at your service, you seem to have the expectation that a good community always does the right thing. That will never happen anywhere on this earth.

Now in your "report" you left out a lot of things:
1. Did the group answer that they want to go on playing? Did everyone do this? Or just one person? Because if one guy says "ok", you can't expect the whole group to hold up on HIS deal.
2. A lot of people don't know how host migration works and how it can impact other players in a bad case. Because we need to be honest here, host migration screwing you over is very, very rare. I can't even remember the last time it did anything to me. Most of the time it goes perfectly smooth.
3. Maybe they tried to leave the area and you did not notice and stayed? Yeah, a bit of communictation would be nice, but you have one minute to follow up and avoid host migrations alltogether.

It was a random event and is nowhere near the norm. Get over yourself. Life is hard sometimes, to all of us. Make sure that you are never a jackass, help other players, explain the basics of Warframe, because this is the only way to make the community better. People who are treated with kindness sometimes return it. A posting in the forums complaining about your fellow players does the opposite: it will NEVER make anything better.

vor 10 Minuten schrieb RichardKam:

I stop believing in "good community" in this game ever since I tried pub tridolon once (1), five years ago.

So you had one bad event (one of the sweatiest missions in the whole of Warframe) and stopped believing. But of course, you are a perfect human being your entire life and never did anyone wrong.

[Dunkelheit]

vor 6 Stunden schrieb OniDax:

And this community tries to silence the 10% who do understand constructive criticism.

Lets go: Show me 3 occurences where the community tried to silence constructive criticism, only 3. And if out of 20 responses one of them is trying to do just that, that is not the community silencing criticism. From your vibe it needs to be the whole thread just trashing OP.

The way you describe it, it must be easy to find.

But I can already tell you what we will find:
- There is not "constructive" in your examples, only criticism, probably bashing DE like they are cretins or lowlifes that scam their players, like most of the time in those "criticism" threads
- The idea will be to make something in the game extremely overpowered and the person who writes the idea has no clue about game balance or somebody is complaining about a nerf that is in the end good for the game

If there is one party in the forums which could be able, it is DE, because there is very rarely anything constructive in these forums.

[OniDax]

5 minutes ago, Dunkelheit said:

Lets go: Show me 3 occurences where the community tried to silence constructive criticism, only 3. And if out of 20 responses one of them is trying to do just that, that is not the community silencing criticism. From your vibe it needs to be the whole thread just trashing OP.

The way you describe it, it must be easy to find.

But I can already tell you what we will find:
- There is not "constructive" in your examples, only criticism, probably bashing DE like they are cretins or lowlifes that scam their players, like most of the time in those "criticism" threads
- The idea will be to make something in the game extremely overpowered and the person who writes the idea has no clue about game balance or somebody is complaining about a nerf that is in the end good for the game

If there is one party in the forums which could be able, it is DE, because there is very rarely anything constructive in these forums.

Not going to go through the actual constructive criticism for you. You're a good example here. You label all criticism as non-constructive, in order to disregard all criticism in an effort to silence it. You are a great example. Thank you.