aa3123 Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 Sounds op. Hayden needs a nerf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arlayn Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 If Hayden did come back it be a lot like Kingdom hearts 2 Final Mix where Sora fights Terra's armor http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fuTfeVYYb2g . If anything of Hayden were to appear in this game it be his ghost given life by the void, and a solid form from a poor soul he possessed that mutated into his suit with his abilities... either wildly trying to kill us because our beliefs clash, or trying to warn us as a ghost, or give us his blessing to use his name... or his Tekna... Or maybe like Terra's armor just going to try and kill us because of some bizarre reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaokasalis Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 (edited) No he should not. Its true that it was confirmed in livestream 10 that Hayden Tenno was the first Tenno but it does not fit with the lore anymore. Hayden got his abillities from the technocyte where as we the Tenno got it from exposure to the void. Dark Sector was a game that had its moment with some fun gameplay because of the glaive but the plot itself was horrible due to DE having to satisfy the publishers and needed to cut the game. I really do hope the Dark Sector lore has been retconned from Warframe. Edited December 23, 2013 by Septin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnmann Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 I'm just saying how the ancients changed their appearance over 10-100 years, so the appearance of Hayden, who is one of the oldest infested, may be "Laphantis" which is know to be the oldest infested and looks the most F'ed up. Laphantis's hair isn't fabulous enough to be Hayden. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arlayn Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 False info in the wiki, what a surprise. could also watch live stream... Could also read Excalibur's lore... could also read Glaive Lore... Could also read Stalker's lore and set the entire storyline of Warframe side by side with Dark Sector and due to the betrayal of Hayden by the US being so identical to the Orokin it sounds like history is repeating itself... Connection? So strong your brain would explode... How do I know? How about playing both Warframe, and Dark Sector. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LovecraftJF Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 could also watch live stream... Could also read Excalibur's lore... could also read Glaive Lore... Could also read Stalker's lore and set the entire storyline of Warframe side by side with Dark Sector and due to the betrayal of Hayden by the US being so identical to the Orokin it sounds like history is repeating itself... Connection? So strong your brain would explode... How do I know? How about playing both Warframe, and Dark Sector. I have played both. DE has retconned their earlier blurb from the livestream. Excalibur's lore does not support a connection to Dark Sector. Glaive's lore is an easter egg at best referencing DE's earlier work, it hardly proves a connection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arlayn Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 (edited) I have played both. DE has retconned their earlier blurb from the livestream. Excalibur's lore does not support a connection to Dark Sector. Glaive's lore is an easter egg at best referencing DE's earlier work, it hardly proves a connection. it does by repeating history... Although there is nothing directly point towards it. It was obvious from the start Mezner was waiting for Hayden, and built that suit just for him. The infection made him a monster, and came to be... and a suit was built for him Just as wearers of Excalibur came to be, as monsters... and a suit was built for them. Eventually leading to betrayal... Hayden killed the American Agency that betrayed him, and the Tenno wiped out the Orokin for similar reasons.... Agency wanted to control the infected, and use it as a weapon Orokin wanted to control infested, and use it as a weapon Both Empires wanted a bio-weapon of immense destruction... Both were stopped by the Tenno. History is simply repeating itself...,but... a new Arc is beginning. The tale of what happened to Hayden after the fall of the Agency was never told, and a tale that is now being shown to us, and written out clearly... The path Hayden took would have been similar to the Tenno that now bare his legendary name. Hayden would have eventually teamed up with the mysterious organization that left Lotus symbols everywhere and may have been secretly guiding him through the man who was helping Hayden all along. Then went to go battle the rest of the agency, and possibly secret organizations world wide stopping evil warlords, emperors, kings, despots, and demagogues... Just as Tenno do now... Just as Hayden did before the events of Dark Sector... and more or less did after... -Source Comicbook Dark Sector Zero Edited December 23, 2013 by Arlayn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LovecraftJF Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 I wish I had some of whatever it is you're on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arlayn Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 I wish I had some of whatever it is you're on. Have you read my Lotus Project Conspiracy parts 1 through 5? Quite the series of theories if I do say so myself... you will definitely be wondering what I was on after that lol... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VoidWraith Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 It can be possible.... assuming Hayden was kept frozen or in cyro-sleep, w/e you call it.... I didn't play Dark Sector, so I wouldn't really know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arlayn Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 (edited) It can be possible.... assuming Hayden was kept frozen or in cyro-sleep, w/e you call it.... I didn't play Dark Sector, so I wouldn't really know. he wouldn't be in cryosleep he disappeared afterwards walking into the sunset at the end of the game. If anything he would have started his own campaign against evil organizations as he did working for the Agency before the events of Dark Sector, and the mission he went on last before Dark Sector that put him into retirement... which also must have lead to a series of unexplained faith that Mezner kept bringing up about Hayden saying that they were holding him back the whole time... as if he had the ability to become what he was all along... or could have been similar to Deus Ex Human revolution where Adam was born/made with the ability to adapt easily with cybernetics, and so Hayden may have been born, or made since the events of Dark Sector started around 2000, and the infection began 20 years earlier. It is possible Hayden may have been born previously before the events of that event that started the infection in a lab to be more adaptable to the infection similar way Nadia was, but that is only theory. As Mezner kept hinting as this greatness Hayden was being held back from, and events that occurred before Dark Sector... There is more to the story of Dark Sector the game lets on about. Edited December 23, 2013 by Arlayn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brasten Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 I find it really strange that DE would bring the Dark Sector (the game) story and characters into Warframe (the Dark Sector they didn't get to make). I could see elements of that Sci-Fi Dark Sector that was pitched being part of Warframe. Anything and everything Lore wise that DE speaks in the live stream is as solid as quicksand. Even Lore in-game isn't the most assured thing at this point, but its likely more valid than live stream babble. IF Hayden still is the first Tenno in the Warframe continuity that doesn't mean it is the Dark Sector (the game) or even Dark Sector (the pitch) Hayden. It could very well be a Warframe version of Hayden. The first Excalibur, one of the survivors of a trip into the Void. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arlayn Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 I find it really strange that DE would bring the Dark Sector (the game) story and characters into Warframe (the Dark Sector they didn't get to make). I could see elements of that Sci-Fi Dark Sector that was pitched being part of Warframe. Anything and everything Lore wise that DE speaks in the live stream is as solid as quicksand. Even Lore in-game isn't the most assured thing at this point, but its likely more valid than live stream babble. IF Hayden still is the first Tenno in the Warframe continuity that doesn't mean it is the Dark Sector (the game) or even Dark Sector (the pitch) Hayden. It could very well be a Warframe version of Hayden. The first Excalibur, one of the survivors of a trip into the Void. the sci-fi could have, but the lack of glaive made it obvious they made the 2000 Dark Sector the lore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leriel Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 inb4 Hayden in a cryopod. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arlayn Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 inb4 Hayden in a cryopod. the events happened in Dark Sector around 2008. It is 2013 going into 2014, and we still don't have cryopods... Hayden was like in his late 20s, or early 30s. The technology doesn't even exist yet... and dumping a body in ice only works if you freeze them for a short period of time... not 3000 years later... they would die from that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MagpieOAO Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 Saying whether Hayden would survive cryosleep or could be cryo-preserved in a world full of cyborg space marines, magical warp space ninjas and mutant spore biological weapons seems to be a pretty moot point. They could easily write in a reason as to how he survived to this day, but the question is "why"? Sure he has some distant link, a nod to the current events, but he's hardly relevant at the point in which this is all taking place unless they wrote one in. Ultimately the lore is not set in stone and there's hardly any reason for him to be linked to the present in any signifigant way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jelan Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 Please let DarkSector die already, it was a bad game with an even worse storyline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NalkorRN Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 3 plat that Hayden is the Stalker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VoidGhost Posted December 23, 2013 Author Share Posted December 23, 2013 Why do so many people insist on bringing Hayden and/or Hayden related things into warframe? Hayden is the begining and as in all thing the start of a path Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VoidGhost Posted December 23, 2013 Author Share Posted December 23, 2013 Please let DarkSector die already, it was a bad game with an even worse storyline. DARK Sector was Unique.NONE was able to recover bioarmament so efficiently except Digital Extremes and Guyver production team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OverlyManMan Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 Hayden is the Stalker, He wouldn't have aged, Look at the Ancient Distrupters. No telling how old they are, just that they are ancient. The suit is what maintains the Tenno, after-all we have no idea of the affects a frame can do to the body, just that it somehow enhances the mutation in the human, thus the reasoning to build it around the individual. Hayden wants to bring peace and balance to the universe, much like the Neo-Tenno, except they suffer memory loss. So Hayden is trying to keep the universal balance of power on his own. He's the variable between Tenno,Grineer and Corpus. He is the ONLY one as far as we know, as is Hayden. Since Hayden Tenno is THE badass ideal soldier, he has the natural ability to adapt and survive. Being the first Tenno, his powers were unclear and unparalleled. Being the cleaner in his position in the CIA, it wouldn't be unlike him to clean up messes (Tenno). Since he's part of the Orokin as well, being a lesser guardian doesn't make him weaker, Just a different rank or form of Tenno. Perhaps assigned to perform a different function, can be the difference between a Spetznatz and a Navy Seal, not much. This also does away with the stigma that Stalker never was Tenno. There is no way stalker would have its abilities without a warframe to increase and control it all. Or since he is ,"Not" Tenno, simply because before him there was no such thing, We are Hayden Tenno not the other way around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brasten Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 (edited) the sci-fi could have, but the lack of glaive made it obvious they made the 2000 Dark Sector the lore. No. Its a nod to a past game that a portion of the player base liked. Its an easter egg and little more. Given current Lore in the Excalibur and the new Glavie Prime entry it comes off as goofy. "Dating back to the time of the first Tenno, the GLAIVE is a uniquely deadly weapon. This multi-bladed disk is not only effective for melee combat it can also be thrown like a boomerang to cut down enemies at a distance." "The Glaive Prime is a deadly and beautiful weapon from the Orokin era. The blades are as effective in close quarters as they are when thrown at distant enemies." At the time the Glavie was launched DE babbled on the live stream (again see value of Lore in live stream worth near 0) that it was not just the first Tenno plural but the FIRST Tenno. Which was babble to be Hayden. Now we have the Excalibur in-game lore page (in-game lore > stream babble) which makes that the FIRST Tenno. It basically invalidates using Dark Sector (the game) and partly Dark Sector (the pitch) as the bases. Unless there were Grineer during the Orokin Era.... IF one insists that Hayden is the FIRST Tenno, this means he is the first Excalibur, he preferred a Glavie (maybe Prime) over a Skana, and is in no way related to the other two Haydens. Edited December 23, 2013 by Brasten Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VoidGhost Posted December 23, 2013 Author Share Posted December 23, 2013 No. Its a nod to a past game that a portion of the player base liked. Its an easter egg and little more. Given current Lore in the Excalibur and the new Glavie Prime entry it comes off as goofy. "Dating back to the time of the first Tenno, the GLAIVE is a uniquely deadly weapon. This multi-bladed disk is not only effective for melee combat it can also be thrown like a boomerang to cut down enemies at a distance." "The Glaive Prime is a deadly and beautiful weapon from the Orokin era. The blades are as effective in close quarters as they are when thrown at distant enemies." At the time the Glavie was launched DE babbled on the live stream (again see value of Lore in live stream worth near 0) that it was not just the first Tenno plural but the FIRST Tenno. Which was babble to be Hayden. Now we have the Excalibur in-game lore page (in-game lore > stream babble) which makes that the FIRST Tenno. It basically invalidates using Dark Sector (the game) and party Dark Sector (the pitch) as the bases. Unless there were Grineer during the Orokin Era.... IF one insists that Hayden is the FIRST Tenno, this means he is the first Excalibur, he preferred a Glavie (maybe Prime) over a Skana, and is in no way related to the other two Haydens. So do you think Hayden furthermore the related Technocyte infection worth to be a WARFRAME BASE LORE ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VoidGhost Posted December 23, 2013 Author Share Posted December 23, 2013 So do you think Hayden furthermore the related Technocyte infection worth to be a WARFRAME BASE LORE ? Also do not neglect that every game like WARFRAME needs a hero of Mythical proportions what if Hasyden's time;ine makes him Mythical Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arlayn Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 Please let DarkSector die already, it was a bad game with an even worse storyline. it was a great game. With replay ability... a rare trait among games, and the storyline is like a conspiracy tale... so much fun to make theories as to what really was going on, and how it relates to warframe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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