Tsoe Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 (edited) hey now you can spam snow glob with a reason yeah you know who yu are using agro with : loki, using blind with exkal,decoy with saryin,shadow of the dead and terrify, fear, playing as a team using volt shield too and new strategie maybe? Edited February 5, 2014 by Tsoe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScorpDK Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 Freeze wasn't mentioned :( Why? It should become an AoE freeze blast instead of being a single-target direct-hit weapon that is hard to use at a distance. Currently it is never in my loadout simply because it isn't worth the mod slot. I can probably deal with the HP limit (tho, gotta test it out in game before giving my judgment, obviously) IF he slowing field inside is actually the same size as the globe... As for the other two skills, I can't really judge since I never really used them due to how low their damage output used to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xylia Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 Why use Frost after patch when you can just use Nyx and accomplish the same goals with much better results? Oh don't say that, they'll nerf Chaos too. Then you'll have no way of surviving high level crap at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General_Krull Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 inb4 napalms ruk it GEe I wonder how it snow globe 2.0 works with napalms! High damage and it stays where it hits! Gotta up the ante! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poksar Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 ah ok then, so no frost,im gonna use oberon instead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-JT-AR1S Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 Frost RIP :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaskadar Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 (edited) Source, please? Last I checked, T3D was still 15 waves. It's going to be 'endless' today, multiple sources, livestream #21 included. Edited February 5, 2014 by Vaskadar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seanjuju Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 I seriously hope that all the peoples complaining right now like this change on frost is gonna annihilate their life are not the same peoples who are constantly asking for more difficulty in warframe. You need to be sure of what you want guys. From my point of view, trinity's blessing or frost snowglobe are/where not things that makes the game more difficult. Now you're gonna stop earlier in defence and survival mission, because things are too hard. So what ? Is that not what you where asking for ? I'm not even sure those missions were designed to go that far actually, no wonder why more than half of the warframes become useless after a certain lvl. Y'all need to calm down. Being rude will not help you being heard by DE, and it sure won't make you sleep better tonight (do you even sleep ?). This has nothing to do with the difficulty of the game. I don't care about snowglobe. I care that an ice frame only has one utility ability. If you take away his one-hit wonder. He has low damage and one situational utility ability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpl_Facehugger Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 Source, please? Last I checked, T3D was still 15 waves. I *think* in one of the livestreams they talked about making void defense cash out every five waves like normal defense. Livestream 20 or 21? I remember seeing that somewhere, so I don't think it's just him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgewesker97 Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 Looks like Frost will be useless now for really high level missions, trinity it is! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragewalker Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 Frost. The King of Defense. The one frame that can always be relied on to protect his teammates! ... Snow Globe has a health bar. "Sorry guys, bombards just destroy it in one shot. Even if I maximize the health of it, higher levels simply aren't viable any more. I think I should rather just play Rhino or something."^ My Prediction. We have enough offensive frames, please don't nerf the defense of one of the few defensive frames. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poke007 Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 (edited) Funny how no one in the thread mentioned anything about Excalibur with Radial Blind when it is pretty good for Defense missions too. XD Edited February 5, 2014 by Poke007 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AuroraSonicBoom Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 Looking at this i am afraid Nyx Loki and Trinity will get nerfs as well. As an avid Nyx player, I think that Chaos should work less well on higher enemy and take power strength into consideration. Trinity, yeah now that we have timers, players will be able to chain blessing much more efficiently. Dont know about a nerf, but at least we need to keep an eye on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anzuul Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 I completely disagree with these changes. Giving a tank frame DMG buffs but survivability nerfs is beyond ridiculous to me. Completely defies the purpose of the frame as it was originally released. Other frames can do the AOE dmg part better (and the single dmg for that matter) so there is no reason to use those abilities if you are the tank except for very random situations that hardly appear and most people didn't run power str on Frost and are now required 2 to make the shield half decent. Because even with the power str buff the shield would die in a few shots in + lvl 30 content. I really don't see the point of these changes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lunamaniac Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 At this point maybe Frost just needs a whole new skill. Finite static hp that isn't ridiculously op at early levels will never be viable in higher tier missions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drazhar14 Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 So, lets compare this to Sanctuary. It has 250 HP and takes like 3 shots on high levels to be destroyed. If we compare that to Snow Globe's 3500 HP, it will take 42 shots to be destroyed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xylia Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 I *think* in one of the livestreams they talked about making void defense cash out every five waves like normal defense. Livestream 20 or 21? I remember seeing that somewhere, so I don't think it's just him. Meh. Well, at least its something. I hated 30+ min Void 3 Defenses anyways. Hopefully they won't pad the 'reward' rolls with a ton of useless junk like other Defenses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpl_Facehugger Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 Funny how no one in the thread mentioned anything about Excalibur with Radial Blind when it is pretty good for Defense missions too. XD Who cares about blind when for just 25 more energy you get chaos from Excal's sister? :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xylia Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 So, lets compare this to Sanctuary. It has 250 HP and takes like 3 shots on high levels to be destroyed. If we compare that to Snow Globe's 3500 HP, it will take 42 shots to be destroyed! 42 shots = 2 seconds in Void 3 because yanno, there's 50 mobs in a room. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seanjuju Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 Frost. The King of Defense. The one frame that can always be relied on to protect his teammates! ... Snow Globe has a health bar. "Sorry guys, bombards just destroy it in one shot. Even if I maximize the health of it, higher levels simply aren't viable any more. I think I should rather just play Rhino or something." ^ My Prediction. We have enough offensive frames, please don't nerf the defense of one of the few defensive frames. Utility DE, its an ice frame. Give him more utility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jinsaotomex4 Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 Funny how no one in the thread mentioned anything about Excalibur with Radial Blind when it is pretty good for Defense missions too. XD Why bring Excalibur when there's Loki? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poke007 Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 Who cares about blind when for just 25 more energy you get chaos from Excal's sister? :p Because there is still a chance of them targeting a teammate or worst the pod if they are next to it. :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OriKlein Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 I see you, Scott, Rebecca! NSA via Facebook bots (2 of them) watch you back? I guess? O.o Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBugII Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 Avalache needs to be looked at. The damage isn't very impressive. I like that it can stun enemies, but the stun is immediately gone the moment the ability finishes casting and leaves Frost open to punishment. If the freeze applied to them extends after casting for a couple of seconds, it would be a much more viable ability. As is, I find myself using Ice Wave over Avalache because it casts quicker and does more damage for the energy spent. Ice Wave also slows enemies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xylia Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 Because there is still a chance of them targeting a teammate or worst the pod if they are next to it. :p You still have to actually get out there near the mobs to actually blind them, because last I checked, RB has a fairly small AoE radius. Even if you buff with with mobs, it is......not impressive at all. You'd have to go balls-to-the-wall for Duration + Range Mods to even try to make an RB build, and when you do? You might cover 1 of the 4 corners of a Void Defense Room with that, and to do THAT you'd have to directly put yourself in Harm's Way as Excalibur (whose only Self-Defense involves invincibility frames during Slash Dash which also uses Energy). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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