Virtus_Dei_Est Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 welp, another step to nova supremacy. just give nova some godly armor and erase all other warframes, make it quick and painless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unrealman1 Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 I agree with the health values being. . .off. I am okay with the concept of the nerf though. 2c time: Snowglobe regenerates health. Snowglobe has multiple plates which make it a sphere, each with their own health. Snowglobe instead needs x amount of damage instances to die, not hp. Snowglobe has some form of Damage Reduction to its hp. (Starts as 100% dr, but reduces as it takes more hits, down to 0 hp or 0% dr.) Snowglobe has more health. Using powers in Snowglobe regenerates hp, or has some synergy. No duration. (Not listed in the changes, but it is implied) Or any combination of the above. Just 2c. +1 but i think it need some cap of the absorbed hits too..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freaknastii Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 Hmm, 3500 Seems extremely low, like 1 shot by a high lvl minion low. Warframes can at least avoid most of the damage with moving, but since Snowglobe is a big target that all the enemies will probably be shooting at, it sounds like it's useless now. This is just speculation from my part though, will have to try it out myself, but I think the golden age of Frost is over. Agreed 3500 is way to low when your talking about trying to go past wave 20 on a Pluto defense you may aswell pack Frost up and put him in your Hall of fame the war frames that have came out after Vauban are doing more damage than the older frames with more useful utilities thus making anything that came out before Vauban Obsolete . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zarlockk Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 You still have to actually get out there near the mobs to actually blind them, because last I checked, RB has a fairly small AoE radius. Even if you buff with with mobs, it is......not impressive at all. You'd have to go balls-to-the-wall for Duration + Range Mods to even try to make an RB build, and when you do? You might cover 1 of the 4 corners of a Void Defense Room with that, and to do THAT you'd have to directly put yourself in Harm's Way as Excalibur (whose only Self-Defense involves invincibility frames during Slash Dash which also uses Energy). It has 25meters aoe base Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freaknastii Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 Hmm, 3500 Seems extremely low, like 1 shot by a high lvl minion low. Warframes can at least avoid most of the damage with moving, but since Snowglobe is a big target that all the enemies will probably be shooting at, it sounds like it's useless now. This is just speculation from my part though, will have to try it out myself, but I think the golden age of Frost is over. Agreed 3500 is way to low when your talking about trying to go past wave 20 on a Pluto defense you may aswell pack Frost up and put him in your Hall of fame the war frames that have came out after Vauban are doing more damage than the older frames with more useful utilities thus making anything that came out before Vauban Obsolete . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterSX Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 1. Is snowglobe still duration based? If so, then massive problem there imo. 2. HP seems really low, especially for how large the globe can be, and how many enemies can shoot it. Suggestion for that: Allow power duration, strength and size to increase the HP of the globe, otherwise you're penalized for making the globe bigger to cover more area, and have it as a direction conversion 1:1 (most corrupted mods have a downside that would offset this anyways, i.e. overextended would give a net gain of 30% HP because it also reduces power strength.) 3. Bit of a tangent, but what can we expect for trinity's blessing, as that's immortality too? +1 my friend... I think exactly the same way ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xoxcloudxox Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 DO NOT RUIN MY FROST OR ILL QUIT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HellishWind Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 (edited) 3500 isnt alot if fusion moas shoot it also this smells like nerf instead off buff? Edited February 5, 2014 by HellishWind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xylia Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 It has 25meters aoe base Which is still not all that great IMO. It'd take quite a few mod capacity to buff that up (plus Duration) to where it'd be effective to use for that purpose. And at least Loki has Invisibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7.T. Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 Not sure what to think here. Frost is my favorite sooo I'm glad to see the Avalanche buff but with Globe... I don't know. I'll try it first but one thing is for sure: If more than two are stacked, visibility is basically nil. My two cents. (worth $37 in change. kidding) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lstalri Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 https://forums.warframe.com/index.php?/topic/172673-frost-252014/page-12#entry2025141 basically sums up how UP it would be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xylia Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 I think another person in this thread had the right idea: Damage Reduction, with same duration. Perhaps 20/40/60/80% damage reduction of all attacks made from outside the Snowglobe. That way, it'd still be nice and useful for Defense, but yet wouldn't be an auto-win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gravefire Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 (edited) So now snowglobe has health. So now spaming snowglobe is acceptable. I say you need to get back to the drawing board cause this isn't acceptable to any frost player. Edited February 5, 2014 by Gravefire Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xoxcloudxox Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 Why would you do this DE.. The globe has 3500 hp. This is nothing. Snow globe was frosts ONLY useful skill, and my main frame i play, please revert it and stick it back to a timer much like trinity's blessing. 3500 hp will not last a second in the high gameplay. Why nerf Frost when other frames can just use damage to kill everything, Frost was one of the most useful frames ingame and it didn't make him invulnerable only stopping enemy fire, and even grineer napalms can penetrate the globe, shockwave Moa's can still hit through the globe, im pretty sure concentrated fire from a corpus tech would obliterate 3500hp & a bombard rocket would take it out in one hit. I do not approve of this nerf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sebastianx Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 Quiting Warframe. Cya guys when Frost get his globe back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gravefire Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 Agreed. Thanks DE for nerfing my class that just need a little tweek. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime_Kelevera Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 And now Frost is worthless... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
War_Admiral_Adama Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 FOCUS + MAXED BLIND RAGE dude, thats like almost 10k HP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyperion5182 Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 Quiting Warframe. Cya guys when Frost get his globe back. Good luck finding a game that isnt garbage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jinsaotomex4 Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 Quiting Warframe. Cya guys when Frost get his globe back. You're free! Never look back! Run for the hills and never return! Enjoy the greener pastures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xethier Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 FOCUS + MAXED BLIND RAGE dude, thats like almost 10k HP so instead of 6 seconds, you've got 18, yay... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mak_Gohae Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 ??? Why would they speed up casting on Avalanche? Doesnt everything get Frozen? That means that casting speed doesnt matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpl_Facehugger Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 FOCUS + MAXED BLIND RAGE dude, thats like almost 10k HP So in an effort to combat the dependence on snowglobe, Frosts now have to focus even more on snowglobe to compete? :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xoxcloudxox Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 FOCUS + MAXED BLIND RAGE dude, thats like almost 10k HP Thats still nothing absolutely nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archistopheles Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 First off, there are plenty of other threads. All you're going to accomplish is making the mods turn all these into a Megathread. Secondly, balance requires more than just buffing. If the end result is 4 useful abilities rather than 1 dominating ability, it's a win in my book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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