PvP and Game play afther 18 hours review feedback

[ZomaCaius]

Hello,

I'd like to say that this game is amazing i had a ton of fun within the Closed beta, got my Warframe rank 30 and weapons Rank 30 and now a new warframe is being made.

PVP :

So, in my honest opinion. there Should not be PVP. now i know what you're thinking, probably not but i know for previous experiences what the case is.

I feel like this game is Great on it's own as a Pve Co-op Third person shooter, amazing style and grapics.

Please for the love of Cake do not include PvP i know this is a Gimmick that people really want and striving to do.

But the game will suffer heavly from it, here are some points :

1# I see that we are dashing trough the levels and shooting lighting, and it whould look awesome in PvP right , not really... it whould be a Gaint Cluster-!@#% if people whould all dash in it will be confusing as Hell. And with more warframes it will be more confusing to keep track of it. Because they all look alike from a distence, so are you facing a Loki or rino ? you will not find out , perhaps you do if your ether you've been smashed to death or Sliced to it.

2# in-balance ! People often*Always bloody Always) have a tendency to say that "This thing is imblanced !" "this skill is Bull@!#%" And for the sake of the community they will nerf this to Make the Pvp more enjoy-able. thus making the PvE more unpleasant, or not do-able

3# Warframes, i know that if they do implement PvP that there are going to be some warframes with PvP type skills like a Rouge ! That is not Really good in PvE , of course great example is the Rouge from World Of Warcraft, awesome in PvP crap at it in PvE.

I am just going to take an game of example here: Vindictus, awesome combat and PvE, they implemented a small pvp arena and a battle mode, you know what you Get Your own character being nerfed, for the sake of PvP users . why what ?

well people who do PvP and People who do PvE are a total diffrent side, no one Or perhaps always "that Guy" will say "I do !" Will like PvE as much as PVP it's ether one of them, Was this a total based PvP arena game like "Gunz" that is focused on pvp, then oke i understand. but Gunz added a little PvE thing, well that wasn't played at all... because people are there for the PvP not PvE, i suggest this game will Keep PvE focused that why we love it that's why we play it. It's fun to do, awesome grapic style that's why we like Warframe, because it's PvE is so awesome and unique, if they implemnt PvP the game will suffer from it. Forums being over-run with "This is imbalanced or this is not right" and the Main focus of the game which is PvE will suffer from that as a direct result.

I hope this wasn't much of cluster-F it self <this post> but i am trying to say

TL;RD version: PvP can be fun, but warframe should stay PvE focused

Regards Yuicne

Stealth - and gameplay

the gameplay is solid and fun to do, hell it's even Adictive, I Noticed that the Enviorments are just sepret pieces Stiched together, but you don't really notice that, the gameplay is so good, that i don't even noticed.

so Yea Final verdict for the gameplay it's Solid it's smooth and awesome

Just some Critque thou,

I wished the Sword was a wieldable Item and not a "Kinfe button" since the Warframes are wielders of knife and Gun, but i was using 90% of the time my Gun only the Sword if they came Close on which results in your sword being rank: 6 when your Gun is rank 30. Which is kinda annoying because i know the Sword can be good but it's just a Knife attack , you only use it when ether out of ammo or when an enemy is sprinting towards you.

So i feel there should be made a balance in that.

Stealth:

So i've noticed the game has this kind of Stealth Element at the begining which is really interesting I think They should really make a note of that and make it possible. It's actually exiting taking out Guards before they activate the alarm. but it's impossible there are so many People in one room, they should be roaming Gaurds. When the alarm is sound there should be some attack force incomming. I think this whould make some approaches possible and make it more exiting, and will take some planning, And thinking to continue

but that is just my opinion.

To many in-game cash:

It's a little imbalanced because you useally chose a set of 2 weapons i took "LEX and Snipetron" < oh btw the name SNIPETRON > is kinda.... ehh. but that's just me. but i Digress, Afther you have your weapon you don't want to but something of in-game cash i have around 230 K credits now (with out booster), and nothing to really spend it on i have bought some HP and shield stuff. the most in-come came from MODS

Mods

talking about mods, Mods are really cool and it's an awesome element. But i also have some Critique on it,

I think Weapon mods like for yours sword or gun Should be visable , and not in the Little blue orb, i mean if you have ice dmg on your weapon there should be That Cold Damp comming from your sword, the same with fire and lighting . so that you kinda like aawesome and deced out, when you have the things on your weapons .

Or perhaps a Legendary mod for each

Also the Warframe mods:

There should be more vority mods with each Warframe specifically for that warframe like:

Trinity: More energy since it's a support class, for the support there shoud be like

-More Energy

-Passive Regen

.

with these you feel like a real support because running in and trying to grab energy is really frustrating. also since others also need energy you're kinda like " I am the support but i am going to support you once i take the energy you need for your abilties" best is to stand back land some fire support and trow a shield once in a while.

Rhino: rhino is a beast a big stompy Warframe He should have specific Mods like

-More armour then normal

-Passive HP regen

-Legendary: Bounces of bullets and projectiles

with these mods you feel like a Giant armoured beast running in 10 enemies at once and just stomp them to Spelunkers ! Also the Armour and Hp regen will just make you a total boss, a tank an Actual Rhino !

You get my idea. I think it whould really Set that Warframe to you and make them Unique.

Levels and kinds of levels

So what is kinda of Buggeling the mind are the "raids, exterminate, and Capture etc etc "

In assasinations you know always know that one of the doors that is big Always locks before your very eyes and you need to run back for a Key-card, it gets really annoying , i had a mate and we where getting the Rhino stuff, i just had to stay behind until the door whould lock, and then i was closer to the key card. Get it and run back to him and do the boss. It really is just Stretching the Time, and it is not fun to do. Go back kill enemies , and return. with half ammo.

Aside from that, i noticed that new Env are in the prosses to be made ! so that's a really good thing they look awesome and the designer sure knows what awesomeness is .

Foundry:

the foundry is probably the most awesome thing in the game and the company really should exspand on this !

well that's kinda it it's awesome and it's just That good. it's just Damn good.

brings me to the Second Thing.

Traiding:

So afther 10 Years of Mmo every one who playes knows the one thing that is annoying. are Gold sellers.

So how do you avoid such a thing ? simple.

Traiding Should go like this

Market !

User one posts 100 Scrap for 20 RUBEDO.

Both users should have completed the Frist Assasination Mission to get :

A: the frist foundry weapon

B: gold sellers are lazy they won't do it.

no credit Traiding, Just don't do that. Alright.

So well that is my Review it's longer then the List of jōyō kanji.

Thank you for Reading !

And i hope My review perhaps will Reach the devs .

DISCLAIMER : So yea there is no filter, for grammar and such i tried to get mosed of the things, but some of it might not make sense :P

Edited January 6, 2013 by Yuicne

[[DE]Steve]

Great notes and thanks for taking the time to share! I agree on pretty much everything so umm yeah, we got work to do! Bear with as we address the credits and Warframe power imbalances, but we're on the same page.

[Ellysium]

I can't say anything other than i'm agreeing with all your points. Well spoken sir.

[-Wild_Hunt-]

Good job. You probably summed up a lot of the issues a lot of people are findng with the game. I also agree that this game would be ruined by a pvp, but maybe clan wars would be cool. Like instead of fighting eachother directly, the clans would do a mission and the best overall score (kills, credits gained, mods found, ect) would win. Idk if that would work out by I think it would add a new dynamic to the game.

[ZomaCaius]

Great notes and thanks for taking the time to share! I agree on pretty much everything so umm yeah, we got work to do! Bear with as we address the credits and Warframe power imbalances, but we're on the same page.

spiffing ! I hope i made some Diffrence for the future but, when i do closed beta i take this kind of stuff seriuosly because Feedback on a game in it's beta stage is Crusial .I love Warframe, and it's a Game i really want to see Bloom in something Really awesome. it has so much potential. You Guys Should consider this to be put on steam.

[ZomaCaius]

I can't say anything other than i'm agreeing with all your points. Well spoken sir.

thank you very much.

[ZomaCaius]

Good job. You probably summed up a lot of the issues a lot of people are findng with the game. I also agree that this game would be ruined by a pvp, but maybe clan wars would be cool. Like instead of fighting eachother directly, the clans would do a mission and the best overall score (kills, credits gained, mods found, ect) would win. Idk if that would work out by I think it would add a new dynamic to the game.

Hm, perhaps something like Planet control ? Attacking each others Facilties, still keeps the PvE but it implemts "PvP" with out Breaking it. A sound plan.

[-Wild_Hunt-]

Hm, perhaps something like Planet control ? Attacking each others Facilties, still keeps the PvE but it implemts "PvP" with out Breaking it. A sound plan.

Right? Doesn't it sound like something like this could work?

[ZomaCaius]

Right? Doesn't it sound like something like this could work?

I feel like it can perhaps. but i don't think that Now is the time to implement it perhaps later on.

[Molasses]

the way gear is upgraded, and the need to pay money to fully upgrade them would escalate this game to full pay-to-win status.

[ACRONYNJA]

PvP would be great if players could play as the other factions and direct forces to stop the Tenno incursions, directing the AI ala an RTS or even going into 3rd person view.

[ZomaCaius]

the way gear is upgraded, and the need to pay money to fully upgrade them would escalate this game to full pay-to-win status.

How the in the name of God is it pay to win ? Its PVE, pay to win is inrelevent, .. you pay to win what ? the game ? I'm sorry but do all of us an favor and Sod off.

[Mortarion]

Heh, what those crying for PvP don't realize is that PvP is excessively hard to balance. I would rather have the devs be developing new content and improving existing content. IF PvP is ever implemented, PvP Warframes must have their stats adjusted accordingly for PvP only. PvE stats should be kept seperate. That way those who wish to play PvE will not have their superior fun disturbed =)

[Matter]

Good Stuff man! I think what molasses is getting at is that Payment will have some advantage over players who do not pay. HOWEVER keep this in mind, as Yuicne said it is a PVE game. There is SOME competitive aspects of leader boards but very few should care about this. What the main point of this game is, is to create a good experienece for all players and the players who's willing to spend money TEND To have less time because of things like JOBs. Players who do not want to pay may or may not have more time in their hands and are able to grind a bit more, while also getting the full experience!

Keep it Classy guys! It's all just thoughts at the very moment!

[Matter]

Heh, what those crying for PvP don't realize is that PvP is excessively hard to balance. I would rather have the devs be developing new content and improving existing content. IF PvP is ever implemented, PvP Warframes must have their stats adjusted accordingly for PvP only. PvE stats should be kept seperate. That way those who wish to play PvE will not have their superior fun disturbed =)

Yeah exactly, have different PVP Weapon sets, Stats and that would add another texture to the game itself. Maybe even add a seperate story arch for PvP itself! PvP SHOULD not be overlooked in any game imo because it can be a very compelling element for a game to grow and gain more of an audience!

[Rolingachu]

Agree with all, except that im looking foward to gather a team and fight against other players. I love the PVE so far, but i would like to see some pvp.