On The Topic Of Valkyr Prime

[superbot34]

Certainly by now, most players get the picture that eventually, DE plans on making a prime version of every warframe in the game, as prime versions are "originals" and the ones we start out with are just versions crafted using spare parts. 

 

However, on the subject of Valkyr, how is it possible for her to become primed? First off, remember how Valkyr came to be: She used to be a fully functional Warframe that was eventually discovered by Alad V and dissected of all Prime parts (this is an important note) as stated in "The Profit" trailor. Remember that mag was simply a placeholder as they did not have enough time to use the Valkyr model, which means it could have turned out in two ways:

 

1. The Valkyr we see today would have been in the holding device, as she was already stripped and ready to be transported to the Void. ("I commit thee to the void" may also simply be a reference to the void itself, as the void is what turned the Tenno into what they are, and may not exactly mean sending the frame into the void again).

2. DE could have placed the "Original" Valkyr into the holding device, a version of her with primed parts and "more" to her (unlike most frames which primes are just slightly more in terms of visuals).

 

If you think priming Valkyr wouldn't work because she is a "new" frame, remember that she was simply stripped of prime parts, meaning the Primed version of her still exists. An important thing to note as well is the Lotus, Grineer, not even the Tenno discovered the Valkyr prime frame, so that is why there is no Prime>tenno version>Valkyr today, the tenno version of the prime simply dosn't exist. 

 

One of the more challenging aspects of a primed Valkyr actually goes deeper however, as a Primed version would have to be drastically different to be Lore-friendly. Remember, not only was Valkyr stripped down for parts, but she was also modified by Alad V with corpus technology, one of which is part of her hysteria power: Her holographic claws. Now there is a big problem, if you make a Primed Valkry, you need to remove this new addition to make it accurate with the lore. 

 

However, again, Lore could still be worked in to match even this new addition. Valkyr could have also had a rage power, as she could have been the weakest of the frames that had to fall through the torment of the Void transformation into Tenno, leaving her angry and scared. Plainly put, the Valkyr now could be very similar to the Primed version, simply with more physical armor and no corpus add-ons.

 

On the topic of the Corpus add-ons, what do they do? One theory i have is the corpus technology blended into her inatomy is a direct result of her being stripped of her orokin technology, the Corpus add-ons are cheaper replacements for the ones that originally were apart of Valkyr. Once again, lore can still fit in even though her current form is very new, her primed version would look drastically different but contain higher more advanced combat potentional, with the original and more powerful Oroking technology in place.

 

What do you think? Should Valkyr be primed like all the other frames assumingly will? Or should she stay as a "new" frame, never revealing the prime frame she used to be?

Edited March 15, 2014 by superbot34

[Brimir]

We're never going to see Valkyr Prime.

 

It is just not possible within the continuity.

 

What we could see, however, is Valkyr Vandal - Lotus' attempts at restoring/repairing Valkyr.

Edited March 15, 2014 by Brimir

[superbot34]

We're never going to see Valkyr Prime.

 

It is just not possible within the continuity.

 

What we could see, however, is Valkyr Vandal - Lotus' attempts at restoring/repairing Valkyr

Why not? are you saying Alad V found all of the original Valkyrs?

[OptimumBow0]

I think she should be primed, just take off the added Corpus parts, the collar, and restore her helmet to its former glory. Then make her energy claws be actual energy claws.

 

Or, what Brimir said.

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[-FrostByte-]

valkyr vandal sounds badass... inb4 tail =/= catframe confirmed

[Brimir]

Why not? are you saying Alad V found all of the original Valkyrs?

 

Valkyr.

There is just one Valkyr, technically. Within the lore. Just like there's just one Alad V.

 

Anywa...

 

The reason why she can't be Primed is because pre-torture Valkyr was not a Berserker; she was an entirely different Warframe. All of her current powers are a result of the damage to her psyche/body/Warframe.

 

So to create a Valkyr Prime with her Berserker powers makes no sense at all since they are Orokin-era Warframes.

[(PSN)The_Moustache]

I do wonder if there are concepts of Valkyr's original form and if we'll ever see them.

[UmamiSalami]

So basically, there will most likely not be a being named Valkyr Prime. At the most we'll get Valkyr Vandal since, like what Brimir stated (which is a lore fact), Valkyr was created by our beloved, Salad V.

[ZayTM]

The reason why she can't be Primed is because pre-torture Valkyr was not a Berserker; she was an entirely different Warframe. All of her current powers are a result of the damage to her psyche/body/Warframe.

 

So to create a Valkyr Prime with her Berserker powers makes no sense at all since they are Orokin-era Warframes.

 

This doesn't mean that a Valkyr Prime couldn't be made. It would just have to have an entirely different skillset. A large undertaking and a large feat, yes, but not impossible. It is most likely that DE would not go this route [making a Warframe prime-only, for instance], but it would be an excellent continuity nod and very cool if they did.

[Zarbain]

Why not? are you saying Alad V found all of the original Valkyrs?

Well there is the theory that there is only one of every frame but that frame is also everyone else

[Brimir]

This doesn't mean that a Valkyr Prime couldn't be made. It would just have to have an entirely different skillset. A large undertaking and a large feat, yes, but not impossible. It is most likely that DE would not go this route [making a Warframe prime-only, for instance], but it would be an excellent continuity nod and very cool if they did.

 

It means it is highly unlikely.

[HillsAndTheSea]

valkyr prime isnt that impossible, and DE has a framework of lore that rationalizes it quite well, although they should be careful with it

 

its entirely feasible that the orokin could have preformed experiments that parallel alad v's, since they clearly werent above using biochemical weapons, expiermenting on children, or doing any other clandestine activites in the name of winning a war.

 

valkyr being "tortured" per se, is not something unique to her, since all the orokin era tenno were subjects of experiments involving both the technocyte virus and the void, and as a result are victims just as much as the modern valkyr. the only major difference being who did the "torturing"

 

the warframes only amplify the tenno (and thier pain and power), so i imagine a scrappy young female brawler who was infected with a virus that causes bloodlust, being harshly thrown into an area of hopelessness and despair, could quite easily turn out to be the basis for valkyr prime

 

valkyr herself has alot of lore to go with her, and the only way to really make valkyr prime work, is for her to come with a comparable amount of lore, unlike most of the current warframes and their prime counterparts

[VKhaun]

We could get the non-torture Valkyr released, then a prime of that frame, but as others have stated a true Valkyr Prime is unlikely.

 

 

Frankly I think this is a good thing. It means there's a selection of frames that people don't have to worry about being overshadowed later and feeling like they wasted their Forma/Potato.

[APsinon]

valkyr =strip down ver of the prime ver? 

[Novocrane]

So to create a Valkyr Prime with her Berserker powers makes no sense at all since they are Orokin-era Warframes.

And thus Valkyr Prime would have new powers. DE are making generic powers and the entire point of powers as mod cards was so they could be added to, swapped out, and so on.

[Brimir]

valkyr prime isnt that impossible

 

Yes. Yes it is. As I've mentioned a couple of times by now: the original version (and thus the Prime) of Valkyr would be nothing like her.

 

But as I mentioned, they could just release a Valkyr Vandal which would essentially function as a Prime.

 

 

 

And thus Valkyr Prime would have new powers. DE are making generic powers and the entire point of powers as mod cards was so they could be added to, swapped out, and so on.

 

The Warframe-specific powers are not getting removed, and Valkyr Prime would still not have Valkyr's Warframe-specific powers according to the lore. It just wouldn't work.

Edited March 15, 2014 by Brimir

[superbot34]

Valkyr.

There is just one Valkyr, technically. Within the lore. Just like there's just one Alad V.

 

Anywa...

 

The reason why she can't be Primed is because pre-torture Valkyr was not a Berserker; she was an entirely different Warframe. All of her current powers are a result of the damage to her psyche/body/Warframe.

 

So to create a Valkyr Prime with her Berserker powers makes no sense at all since they are Orokin-era Warframes.

as i explained in the post, alad v removed prime components from her. If you are so technical about it and there is only one of every frame, how do you explain how the factions are killing tenno? you are overthinking this, and valkyr prime will happen eventually. 

[superbot34]

So basically, there will most likely not be a being named Valkyr Prime. At the most we'll get Valkyr Vandal since, like what Brimir stated (which is a lore fact), Valkyr was created by our beloved, Salad V.

incorrect, Valkyr was NOT created by Alad V. she was modified by him. The original prime Valkyr is out there somewhere still. 

[superbot34]

Yes. Yes it is. As I've mentioned a couple of times by now: the original version (and thus the Prime) of Valkyr would be nothing like her.

 

But as I mentioned, they could just release a Valkyr Vandal which would essentially function as a Prime.

 

 

 

 

The Warframe-specific powers are not getting removed, and Valkyr Prime would still not have Valkyr's Warframe-specific powers according to the lore. It just wouldn't work.

if you actually read my post, her powers are 100% lore friendly to be put in a prime version. 

[superbot34]

We could get the non-torture Valkyr released, then a prime of that frame, but as others have stated a true Valkyr Prime is unlikely.

 

 

Frankly I think this is a good thing. It means there's a selection of frames that people don't have to worry about being overshadowed later and feeling like they wasted their Forma/Potato.

you forget that alad V found a PRIMED VALKYR. as in the trailer, he specifically says "and the prime components will be diverted to the zanuka project". You can't have a tenno version of valkyr, that is against the lore.

[VKhaun]

you forget that alad V found a PRIMED VALKYR. as in the trailer, he specifically says "and the prime components will be diverted to the zanuka project". You can't have a tenno version of valkyr, that is against the lore.

 

You type this like it's an argument, but it doesn't change anything I said.

 

The result of what Alad V did will not be primed because it's his unique creation. The name for that is Valkyr. There was something he found. A prime and non-prime version of what he found could potentially be put into the game as something we can play one day.

Edited March 15, 2014 by VKhaun

[Ionus]

you forget that alad V found a PRIMED VALKYR. as in the trailer, he specifically says "and the prime components will be diverted to the zanuka project". You can't have a tenno version of valkyr, that is against the lore.

 

"All of the core components with be diverted to the Zanuka Program" is what Alad V said. Nothing about Primes was mentioned in the trailer.

 

Even so, this entire thread is possibly moot since DE has already said that any Warframes after Vauban are highly unlikely to get a prime version.

[Brimir]

"All of the core components with be diverted to the Zanuka Program" is what Alad V said. Nothing about Primes was mentioned in the trailer.

 

Caught lying like a boss.

 

Good show, sir!

[UmamiSalami]

Even if Salad said "All of the prime components will be diverted to the Zanuka Program." (which he didn't) the usage of prime there could be the main or core components. 

[superbot34]

You type this like it's an argument, but it doesn't change anything I said.

 

The result of what Alad V did will not be primed because it's his unique creation. The name for that is Valkyr. There was something he found. A prime and non-prime version of what he found could potentially be put into the game as something we can play one day.

How do you know the original was not named Valkyr? you don't.