Mod Pricing

[(PSN)torch327]

what are some of the going rates for both unranked and maxed mods on PC?

i play on the ps4 and the pricing seems to be extremely high for maxed mods,especially R10's.they range anywhere from 500-1000p

[Ephee]

I see most unranked mods on the pc go for between 5-15p, depending on what they are. NM mods like Hammershot and Corrupted Mods are on the upper end and I've seen them discussed for 20-25p. Maxed mods...they differ a lot. R10s go from between 300-500p (more often around 350 though...). Serration seems to sit around 200-300. 

 

There's this site called wftrading.com but it seems to be really off most of the time. I wish there was some way to really track asked and selling prices for stuff (maybe like steam's market graph for each item) in addition to the need for a true auctionhouse/marketplace. This current system is clunky and there are giant divides between what sellers want and what buyers will pay (looking at you new prime stuff). 

Edited March 15, 2014 by Ephee

[Omega224]

I don't often see mods going for more than 300 plat on maxed out R10 mods sounds like Ps4 has a lot of price gouging

[(PSN)xPaizenx]

On PS4, your lucky to get r10 Serration for less than 400p. 

[SevenLetterKWord]

I don't often see mods going for more than 300 plat on maxed out R10 mods sounds like Ps4 has a lot of price gouging

No.

Look.

 

A rare takes 2x as much to rank as an uncommon.

An uncommon takes 2x as much to rank as common.

Each rank takes 2x as much to rank as the previous rank.

Thus, a rank 10 is 2 rank 9s which are 4 rank 8s which are 8 rank 7s which are 16 rank 6s which are 32 rank 5s which are 64 rank 4s which are 128 rank 3s which are 256 rank 2s which are 512 rank 1s which are 1024 unranked mods.

If that rank 10 mod is rare, it's worth 2048 unranked uncommons, or 4096 unranked commons.

 

You need to understand the exponential costs of ranking high-cap mods.

How long will it be until this becomes common knowledge?

Edited March 15, 2014 by Knaimhe

[(PSN)torch327]

i kind of thought the pricing on pc would be alot lower.i prefer pc gaming but cant get my girlfriend into it so console it is.i know the pc players dread the thought of cross play but i would love to see it.ps4 tradingcould really benefit from it and it would be nice to be able to play this game with intelligent people rather than what i currently see on ps4.

before someone comments on missind puntuation and such due to my intelligence comment,i'm typing this on a smartphone

[(PSN)torch327]

No.

Look.

 

A rare takes 2x as much to rank as an uncommon.

An uncommon takes 2x as much to rank as common.

Each rank takes 2x as much to rank as the previous rank.

Thus, a rank 10 is 2 rank 9s which are 4 rank 8s which are 8 rank 7s which are 16 rank 6s which are 32 rank 5s which are 64 rank 4s which are 128 rank 3s which are 256 rank 2s which are 512 rank 1s which are 1024 unranked mods.

If that rank 10 mod is rare, it's worth 2048 unranked uncommons, or 4096 unranked commons.

 

You need to understand the exponential costs of ranking high-cap mods.

How long will it be until this becomes common knowledge?

what costs?you mean a game that is free to download and free to play?the only cost here is the time it takes to get the xredits and mods needed to upgrade.said items are obtained just by playing.i totally undrstand wanting something in return for the effort,but lets be serious here,anything over 300p is just flat out greed.personally i dont think anything should be over 150p.tbe pricing i am seeing for mods is $25-50,that is nothing more than greed.especially when the same peoe selling this high priced mods will say that the prices for frames in the marketplace are to high.tbat really blows my mind

[NukaKV]

what costs?you mean a game that is free to download and free to play?the only cost here is the time it takes to get the xredits and mods needed to upgrade.said items are obtained just by playing.i totally undrstand wanting something in return for the effort,but lets be serious here,anything over 300p is just flat out greed.personally i dont think anything should be over 150p.tbe pricing i am seeing for mods is $25-50,that is nothing more than greed.especially when the same peoe selling this high priced mods will say that the prices for frames in the marketplace are to high.tbat really blows my mind

Max a Redirection and you'll understand.

I can assure you it's not greed.

[Ephee]

what costs?you mean a game that is free to download and free to play?the only cost here is the time it takes to get the xredits and mods needed to upgrade.said items are obtained just by playing.i totally undrstand wanting something in return for the effort,but lets be serious here,anything over 300p is just flat out greed.personally i dont think anything should be over 150p.tbe pricing i am seeing for mods is $25-50,that is nothing more than greed.especially when the same peoe selling this high priced mods will say that the prices for frames in the marketplace are to high.tbat really blows my mind

I think that anything over 350p is too much, for anything. The people asking 1000p especially on mods are going way over (but are they actually even getting it?). But I think for mods such as serration and heavy caliber, 200-350 is fair, because that is a crap ton of time put into them, 1-2 million credits, and 1000-2000 cores. For a lot of people, time is money. Some people have a lot of time, some people don't. It takes a different kind of dedication to max those mods.  

Edited March 15, 2014 by Ephee

[NukaKV]

http://youtu.be/vOWb8s8j_lU

Here's someone maxing just the last rank for Serration. Remember, auto-fusing is a fairly new feature so most people were forced to max mods like this.

[Thrymm]

No.

Look.

 

A rare takes 2x as much to rank as an uncommon.

An uncommon takes 2x as much to rank as common.

Each rank takes 2x as much to rank as the previous rank.

Thus, a rank 10 is 2 rank 9s which are 4 rank 8s which are 8 rank 7s which are 16 rank 6s which are 32 rank 5s which are 64 rank 4s which are 128 rank 3s which are 256 rank 2s which are 512 rank 1s which are 1024 unranked mods.

If that rank 10 mod is rare, it's worth 2048 unranked uncommons, or 4096 unranked commons.

 

You need to understand the exponential costs of ranking high-cap mods.

How long will it be until this becomes common knowledge?

You're absolutely right about how it works.

 

Translating it into platinum, which translates it into dollars, tosses the whole concept right out the window.  It means people are already paying 15-20 bucks for a maxed rank serration.  If we where to use the logic that an unranked Serration was worth even 1 plat, it just doesn't make a maxed one worth 1024 Because it simply doesn't make it worth fifty dollars(250ish dollars if you get 5 plat for the unranked, which obviously isn't going to happen) , which is essentially what it would be if pricing fell directly based upon that formula.

 

That makes these items worth whatever people are willing to pay, which is a combination of supply and demand.

 

The above formula does show why prices don't go much lower, though.  Supply disappears without a price that supports it, and especially when you're talking about a maxed Serration or Redirection, it's not worth a players time to create one for market for much less, and I don't blame the sellers---I'm not sure I'll ever be willing to bother maxing another Serration even for a few hundred plat.

[NukaKV]

http://youtu.be/gKzoOMIkKqM

Actually here's a better video just to get the point across.

Edited March 15, 2014 by NukaKV

[(PSN)torch327]

Max a Redirection and you'll understand.

I can assure you it's not greed.

i have a max redirection and vilaity for both frame and sentinel,blind rage,steel fiber,R9 serration and heavy barrel for both weapon and sentinel.yes it is greed.once a persons desired mods are complete collected mods and fusion cores have no purpose.so there are 2 choices.sell for credits or upgrade mods and sell for a little platinum.what has happened with game markets is the have all become infected with a dope dealer mentallity,why?because alot of conse gamers are just that or kids who can't get mommy to spend $200 a month so they can buy all their frames and weapons instead of grinding for them.oh and dont forget about the adults who would rather devote more time to making more platinum than they should upgrading and selling mods than they would be willing to do earning a living

[SevenLetterKWord]

Translating it into platinum, which translates it into dollars, tosses the whole concept right out the window.  It means people are already paying 15-20 bucks for a maxed rank serration.  If we where to use the logic that an unranked Serration was worth even 1 plat, it just doesn't make a maxed one worth 1024 Because it simply doesn't make it worth fifty dollars(250ish dollars if you get 5 plat for the unranked, which obviously isn't going to happen) , which is essentially what it would be if pricing fell directly based upon that formula.

Nope.

You make two logical errors:

 

First of all, it looks like you're using the base transaction price for platinum. 75 plat for $4.49, was it?

That's 6 cents per plat, which means 250p-350p, which is around what I'd expect for a maxed serration, is worth $15-$21.

Of course, this is bullS#&$.

 

Almost nobody buys plat at the base transaction price.

Any purchase above the minimum $4.49 tier rewards additional plat.

You're practically guaranteed a platinum discount as a daily reward at least once a week.

Buying platinum at the worst possible rate is about as sensible as buying a game on Steam off-sale.

Few people do that, any only if they really desire the game. On the other hand, if someone really desires plat, they'll buy larger bundles or special offers, which all come at much better rates than 6 cents per plat.

 

People need to recognize this, and stop using the base transaction price.

I pretty much assume that anyone who does so is just bullS#&$ting in an attempt to promote their personal agendas.

 

Secondly, while a single Serration might be worth 1 plat, 1024 Serrations are not worth 1024 plat (even if you could trade them all at once, without paying tax).

Every mod can be interpreted to have two generic (plat) values: rarity value and rank value.

(There's also desirability value, which dictates the difference between Heavy Caliber and Critical Delay, but I won't be addressing that here.)

 

For example, a maxed Primed Chamber has an immense rarity value, and a mediocre rank value.

On the other hand, a maxed Blind Rage has immense rank value and mediocre rarity value.

An unranked Primed Chamber will retail for about as much as a maxed one. It's not difficult to max, but it's incredibly difficult to acquire.

Meanwhile, an unranked Blind Rage is not going for anywhere as much as a maxed one.

 

So, a single Serration, in the eyes of someone who doesn't have Serration yet, might be worth 3-5p. Possibly more, depending on desperation and supply.

They want a Serration. They need a Serration. Rifles are crap without Serration.

However, if you tried to sell that person three Serrations, I doubt they'd pay 9-15p.

 

This is for two reasons:

Firstly, those two extra Serrations provide minimal ranking power if fused with the original Serration. They'd get you the first 1.5 ranks, I believe.

As I explained earlier, that's worth almost nothing (1/512, less than 0.2%) towards a maxed Serration.

They could easily use fusion cores or trash mods to achieve that, instead of paying an extra 6-10p.

 

Secondly, the elevated value of Serration is unique to their circumstances (desperation, momentary lack of supply), so it's unlikely that they'd be able to resell the two other Serrations for profit.

 

To them, that single Serration has rarity value.

However, once they've got one Serration, the other two lose their rarity value and are left only with negligible rank value.

 

Let's extrapolate that to 1024 Serrations.

If your buyer is lacking a Serration, they'll value one Serration out of 1024 at some appreciable plat value.

Once they've got that first Serration, though, the other 1023 instantly lose the majority of their appeal.

 

what costs?you mean a game that is free to download and free to play?the only cost here is the time it takes to get the xredits and mods needed to upgrade.said items are obtained just by playing.i totally undrstand wanting something in return for the effort,but lets be serious here,anything over 300p is just flat out greed.personally i dont think anything should be over 150p.tbe pricing i am seeing for mods is $25-50,that is nothing more than greed.especially when the same peoe selling this high priced mods will say that the prices for frames in the marketplace are to high.tbat really blows my mind

Sorry, how does this game being free-to-play have anything to do with the price of mods?

Diablo III isn't free-to-play. Does that change anything about the prices of commodities in its market?

Mods represent time investments, which are largely independent of any potential "entry free" to the game.

 

Anyways, it appears you're also using the base transaction price for plat in your logic, which automatically makes your argument flawed.

Edited March 15, 2014 by Knaimhe

[(PSN)torch327]

Nope.

You make two logical errors:

 

First of all, it looks like you're using the base transaction price for platinum. 75 plat for $4.49, was it?

That's 6 cents per plat, which means 250p-350p, which is around what I'd expect for a maxed serration, is worth $15-$21.

Of course, this is bullS#&$.

 

Almost nobody buys plat at the base transaction price.

Any purchase above the minimum $4.49 tier rewards additional plat.

You're practically guaranteed a platinum discount as a daily reward at least once a week.

Buying platinum at the worst possible rate is about as sensible as buying a game on Steam off-sale.

Few people do that, any only if they really desire the game. On the other hand, if someone really desires plat, they'll buy larger bundles or special offers, which all come at much better rates than 6 cents per plat.

 

People need to recognize this, and stop using the base transaction price.

I pretty much assume that anyone who does so is just bullS#&$ting in an attempt to promote their personal agendas.

 

Secondly, while a single Serration might be worth 1 plat, 1024 Serrations are not worth 1024 plat (even if you could trade them all at once, without paying tax).

Every mod can be interpreted to have two generic (plat) values: rarity value and rank value.

For example, a maxed Primed Chamber has an immense rarity value, and a mediocre rank value.

On the other hand, a maxed Blind Rage has immense rank value and mediocre rarity value.

An unranked Primed Chamber will retail for about as much as a maxed one. It's not difficult to max, but it's incredibly difficult to acquire.

Meanwhile, an unranked Blind Rage is not going for anywhere as much as a maxed one.

 

So, a single Serration, in the eyes of someone who doesn't have Serration yet, might be worth 3-5p. Possibly more, depending on desperation and supply.

They want a Serration. They need a Serration. Rifles are crap without Serration.

However, if you tried to sell that person three Serrations, I doubt they'd pay 9-15p.

 

This is for two reasons:

Firstly, those two extra Serrations provide minimal ranking power if fused with the original Serration. They'd get you the first 1.5 ranks, I believe.

As I explained earlier, that's worth almost nothing (1/512, less than 0.2%) towards a maxed Serration.

They could easily use fusion cores or trash mods to achieve that, instead of paying an extra 6-10p.

 

Secondly, the elevated value of Serration is unique to their circumstances (desperation, momentary lack of supply), so it's unlikely that they'd be able to resell the two other Serrations for profit.

 

To them, that single Serration has rarity value.

However, once they've got one Serration, the other two lose their rarity value and are left only with negligible rank value.

 

Sorry, how does this game being free-to-play have anything to do with the price of mods?

Diablo III isn't free-to-play. Does that change anything about the prices of commodities in its market?

Mods represent time investments, which are largely independent of any potential "entry free" to the game.

 

Anyways, it appears you're also using the base transaction price for plat in your logic, which automatically makes your argument flawed.

no.actually im using the $19.99 package(the most expensive platinum only package).besides,the savings is minute unless you buy prime access.the packages in between are pointless because those mods are fairly easy to obtain

[SevenLetterKWord]

no.actually im using the $19.99 package(the most expensive platinum only package).besides,the savings is minute unless you buy prime access.the packages in between are pointless because those mods are fairly easy to obtain

Two unreasonable things:

 

Firstly, you deliberately ignore the higher-tier packages simply because they offer bonus mods along with bonus plat.

Pretend the mods aren't even there - you yourself say they're "fairly easy to obtain" - and you'll realize those packages are valid.

(On top of that, Prime Access is also effectively a platinum package, and thus just as worthy of consideration.

And again, there are the sales from daily rewards, which you also neglected.)

 

Secondly, you quoted the entirety of my very long and elaborate post, but you only respond to the small end section of it.

That's just wasteful.

Be precise.

Edited March 15, 2014 by Knaimhe

[(PSN)torch327]

Two unreasonable things:

 

Firstly, you deliberately ignore the higher-tier packages simply because they offer bonus mods along with bonus plat.

Pretend the mods aren't even there - you yourself say they're "fairly easy to obtain" - and you'll realize those packages are valid.

(On top of that, Prime Access is also effectively a platinum package, and thus just as worthy of consideration.

And again, there are the sales from daily rewards, which you also neglected.)

 

Secondly, you quoted the entirety of my very long and elaborate post, but you only respond to the small end section of it.

That's just wasteful.

Be precise.

since you obviously didnt read where i am posting from a phone then i will say it again"i am posting from a phone"maybe i need to repeat it"im posting from a phone"they do have their limitations and one of them is not being able to quote partial posts without going through alot of extra garbage.if that offends you,too F'ing bad.nobody is forcing you to read it

[(PSN)torch327]

as far as the platinum prices i go buy,not everyone can afford much more than $20 at a time if they also play other games and actually have a life outside of warframe.15 years ago you wouldnt have seen this type of extreme pricing in trading.

lets be honest here.the current pricing puts makes 2 mods cost more than a game and thats if the $99.99 package for 2100p +mods is purchased.that is rediculous

[(PSN)torch327]

since DE puts limits on how many times a day we can trade and how many items we can trade per trade,i think they should put a limit on how much platinum is allowed to be traded.mod price gouging fixed.

[SevenLetterKWord]

since you obviously didnt read where i am posting from a phone then i will say it again"i am posting from a phone"maybe i need to repeat it"im posting from a phone"they do have their limitations and one of them is not being able to quote partial posts without going through alot of extra garbage.if that offends you,too F'ing bad.nobody is forcing you to read it

Hilarious.

Once again, you fail to address a significant portion of my post.

Instead, you get butthurt because apparently you can't be bothered to attempt decent format because of your phone and its immensely crippling qualities.

(Nice triple post, by the way.)

 

as far as the platinum prices i go buy,not everyone can afford much more than $20 at a time if they also play other games and actually have a life outside of warframe.15 years ago you wouldnt have seen this type of extreme pricing in trading.

lets be honest here.the current pricing puts makes 2 mods cost more than a game and thats if the $99.99 package for 2100p +mods is purchased.that is rediculous

Fifteen years ago, Warframe didn't exist. I don't see the point in referencing anecdotes from a decade and a half ago.

(By the way, the world faced an economic crisis around seven years ago. Just saying, you totally would have seen bullS#&$ trading within the last fifteen years, so that point you make is both irrelevant and incorrect.)

 

Anyways, trading is completely optional. It's a freedom.

Don't want it? Don't do it. I don't think it gets much simpler than that.

 

Finally, your example of two mods costing 2100p is complete BS.

Only the most exclusive mod, Primed Chamber, is on that scale of cost.

Edited March 15, 2014 by Knaimhe

[(PSN)torch327]

i didnt say 2 mods cost 2100p so obviously you can't read after all.i gave that as a pricing guide to state that 2 mods cost more than a game.

[SevenLetterKWord]

i didnt say 2 mods cost 2100p so obviously you can't read after all.i gave that as a pricing guide to state that 2 mods cost more than a game.

Oh, but of course!

What you actually said was "2 mods cost more than a game and thats if the $99.99 package for 2100p +mods is purchased".

So what you're actually saying is that not that 2 mods cost 2100, but that 2 mods cost more than a game with an associated value of $99.99, which translates to 2100p and a handful of mods.

But really, all that does is weaken your argument and strengthen mine.

(By the way, telling me I can't read doesn't get you anywhere, other than maybe deeper into the delusions of your own fallacies.)

 

And once again, you are unable to defend your argument against the main point of my post.

I'm starting to think this is a habit of yours.

Then again, can I really blame you? I wouldn't be able to defend your arguments against even a casually involved interlocutor either, given how indefensibly unsound those arguments are.

Edited March 15, 2014 by Knaimhe

[(PSN)torch327]

now since Mr Moron decided to get me cranked up i am going to go on a bit of a rant and if someone doesnt like my post due to my of a pho,e,oh f'ing well.

ive been in ps4 trading and region chat both where it is being said that the prices on warframes are too high.these same individuals are also selling extremely overpriced mods(my opinion).

DE pays people to create content,fix bugs for a game that we get for free and play for free.the only money they make are off of platinum purchases(to the best of my knowledge).

so,DE has both time and money invested in a product we get for free,but their prices are too high.at the sametime we have people who have litle to no monetary investment in warframe only time playing a game and choose to put the time into upgrading a mod that they feel is worth more than the frame or weapon that it is going in.

that is plain and simple greed and a slap in the face to DE for someone to think that their personal time is worth more than the invested time and mone of the game developer

[(PSN)torch327]

Oh, but of course!

What you actually said was "2 mods cost more than a game and thats if the $99.99 package for 2100p +mods is purchased".

So what you're actually saying is that not that 2 mods cost 2100, but that 2 mods cost more than a game with an associated value of $99.99, which translates to 2100p and a handful of mods.

But really, all that does is weaken your argument and strengthen mine.

(By the way, telling me I can't read doesn't get you anywhere, other than maybe deeper into the delusions of your own fallacies.)

 

And once again, you are unable to defend your argument against the main point of my post.

I'm starting to think this is a habit of yours.

Then again, can I really blame you? I wouldn't be able to defend your arguments against even a casually involved interlocutor either, given how indefensibly unsound those arguments are.

here,i will make it simpler so you cant twist what im saying.if the $99.99 package is bouught that puts the price of a mod at $30-35 on the ps4

[NukaKV]

Wow. Butthurt much?

How about you set you phone down for a while and go outside?

By the way being on a mobile device doesn't excuse your horrible illiteracy. Most of my posts are done through my phone and you don't see me writing illegible blocks of badly grammared text.