Tun3X Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 So i want to do best damage i can do to any enemy with the same build. So how is this build? http://goo.gl/42HjVA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imaru Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 What forma would you use? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taikaponi Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 Take away the tainted shell and your DPS is tripled. Crit mods on shotguns are also quite bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tun3X Posted March 15, 2014 Author Share Posted March 15, 2014 What forma would you use? Doesn't matter &#! long as the build is good i can change it later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tun3X Posted March 15, 2014 Author Share Posted March 15, 2014 Take away the tainted shell and your DPS is tripled. Crit mods on shotguns are also quite bad. I kinda want 2 keep tainted shell because with out it it just hits random things and doe slow damage. I no i can just right click to make it smaller but it's annoying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)bmulligan Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 I would remove either tainted shell, or both critical mods. Because Tainted shell reduces fire rate, the extra critical damage will do no good, as the hits when the crit chance would apply are less frequent. Personally, I'd remove tainted shell, and replace it with bane mods. Or I'd remove the two crit mods, and replace them with contagious spread and a bane mod. You would, of course, need 2-3 more forma for that to work effectively. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CandyDragon Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 http://goo.gl/ZrmA9E Needs a ton of formas, but, 3 formas should be about right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tali Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 i would use radiation + viral build http://goo.gl/1LvS7Z Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SolidSp33d Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 Take away the tainted shell and your DPS is tripled. Crit mods on shotguns are also quite bad. When you lower the firing speed on the Phage you don't lose the damage. You just get bigger chunks when the damage actually ticks. Better off replacing the crit mods. What is that mod that adds damage but increases spread? He could use that and it would go super well with tainted shell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CandyDragon Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 When you lower the firing speed on the Phage you don't lose the damage. You just get bigger chunks when the damage actually ticks. Better off replacing the crit mods. What is that mod that adds damage but increases spread? He could use that and it would go super well with tainted shell. why would you try to increase the phages spread? you can tighten and spread the cone of fire manually. Thats why this weapon is so unique. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LegofanPC Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 Doesn't matter &#! long as the build is good i can change it later. that spelling though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DetergentPod Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 why would you try to increase the phages spread? For 90% extra damage of course with Vicious Spread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CandyDragon Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 For 90% extra damage of course with Vicious Spread. Rather, why would bother. Still sub optimal to focusing 2 types of status. Status: http://goo.gl/ZrmA9E Vicious Spread focus: http://goo.gl/Hltkl3 I couldn't find anything to insert where the contagious spread is. Nothing that could boost its dps to be comparable. Both would take 4 forma to achieve. Its really a matter of cost effective + actual effectiveness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SolidSp33d Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 (edited) Rather, why would bother. Still sub optimal to focusing 2 types of status. Status: http://goo.gl/ZrmA9E Vicious Spread focus: http://goo.gl/Hltkl3 I couldn't find anything to insert where the contagious spread is. Nothing that could boost its dps to be comparable. Both would take 4 forma to achieve. Its really a matter of cost effective + actual effectiveness. You can see right there how much more damage you have with Vicious spread. It's about maximizing damage. Which you don't have to go for if you don't want to, but that's the point. Edited March 15, 2014 by SolidSp33d Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CandyDragon Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 (edited) You can see right there how much more damage you have with Vicious spread. It's about maximizing damage. Which you don't have to go for if you don't want to, but that's the point. Maximizing damage while maintaining sustained DPS. Not to mention the Status build does not reflect the effects of the Cleanse mods. So add another 30% to each of those reflected stats for damage to your chosen faction. However Vicious spread focus... Sustained DPS is a joke for that Vicious spread build, and will do poorly on any mode that has scaling enemies. Difference of 200 dps for the Damage. However it ticks less frequently, and can't burst. Offers 1/3 of the sustained and burst dps the other build offers in exchange for that 200 damage increase. EDIT: Did the math for you. Status focus:(against slotted faction) 5254 damage 5254 Burst 5005 sustained VS Vicious spread focus:(against any faction) 4488 Damage 1525 burst 1500 sustained A difference of: 17% damage 244% Burst 233% Sustained Edited March 15, 2014 by Nariala Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tun3X Posted March 15, 2014 Author Share Posted March 15, 2014 Ok let me just ask the question in a different way. With out Tainted shell the lasers just shoot at random stuff and if you are lucky u hit a enemy. Tainted shell allows you to focus all the lasers in 1 place which does more damage to your target and you can kill the enemy near it. I get that vicious spread does add damage but it makes the lasers father apart. So with all that said should i still remove tainted shell cuz i am not sure if i can kill faster with out it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CandyDragon Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 (edited) Ok let me just ask the question in a different way. With out Tainted shell the lasers just shoot at random stuff and if you are lucky u hit a enemy. Tainted shell allows you to focus all the lasers in 1 place which does more damage to your target and you can kill the enemy near it. I get that vicious spread does add damage but it makes the lasers father apart. So with all that said should i still remove tainted shell cuz i am not sure if i can kill faster with out it. If you hold left mouse, and keep firing, the cone stays tightened even after you let go of it. release fire to reset the spread, Zoom to tweak till desired cone is achieved, repeat. Though most use it as a death beam by tightening it to a fine point and then keeping the gun firing as its ammo consumption is fairly slow. So: Phage controls: Mouse 1 (left mouse): fire Mouse 2 (Right mouse): tighten cone of fire Can be used to tighten to a single point (nearly) To keep your desired cone of fire, continue firing after releasing mouse 2. Once you stop firing, the cone of fire is reset. Luckily it takes little to no time to regain the cone manually. Phage is a fun weapon that lets you choose between having a wide or narrow spread. While I can see the merit in trying to tighten the cone itself with mods to adjust it, the loss isn't offsetting your potential gain by using other things. Other amusingly enough, easier things to obtain. Edited due to semantics. Edited March 15, 2014 by Nariala Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ_Redwire Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 For my real life build, I have tainted shell but it's only half ranked. It's a hefty mod that does the job you want it to at rank 5 or so, no need to max it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tun3X Posted March 15, 2014 Author Share Posted March 15, 2014 So 1 last question even though i no you can zoom in to bring the lasers in 1 place. So i can kill faster with out tainted shell? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tun3X Posted March 15, 2014 Author Share Posted March 15, 2014 (edited) For my real life build, I have tainted shell but it's only half ranked. It's a hefty mod that does the job you want it to at rank 5 or so, no need to max it. This i agree with this but removing it that i am not sure about unless i can kill faster then i would remove it and just zoom in. Edited March 15, 2014 by Tun3X Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CandyDragon Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 So 1 last question even though i no you can zoom in to bring the lasers in 1 place. So i can kill faster with out tainted shell? Pretty much. It may take a moment longer to get to the desired narrow beam. But your sustained dps is going to be way higher. So against swarms of enemies (most of this game) its very effective, against anything else, its just as effective if not moreso than the other build. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)brownsausage Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 Not sure if it'll help you but why not just try out the build without tainted shell and see how you do with manually adjusting the spread. Personally I run the same build(almost) as what was posted above, i like the idea of adjusting the spread manually(which doesn't take that long). To address your concern about Tainted Shell "-(#)% Spread -(#) Fire Rate. you'd actually do more damage without it, thou the weapon is not a one hit wonder terms of button press but the time it takes to focus the beam is a trivial affair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CandyDragon Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 (edited) Now with what Brownsausage suggested reminded me of... You can't do the initial hit for 4k. However a little tweaking. And I nearly doubled the previous build I suggested in terms of steady dps. Making each individual beam all that more potent as it ticks. http://goo.gl/TESGzr Edited March 15, 2014 by Nariala Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)brownsausage Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 @Nariala wow just took a quick look at your build and man i must say 10k sustained dps on ferrite is pretty damn good. thanks for sharing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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