Chrizzis Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 Don't laugh, but Warframe is the first MMO I've played past a couple of hours. I've noticed a trend where a weapon is introduced, users who commit the time to farm for the the weapon and forma it love it, but those who don't own the weapon cry "nerf" and it is done. More often than I'd like to see, the weapon becomes an object of resentment to those who have put the love into it. Is this a trend of MMOs in general, or Is it because Warframe is in Beta? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NukaKV Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 Warframe isn't an MMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrotherIcarus Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 Warframe is not an MMO anyone who tells you otherwise is wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CandyDragon Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 This game isn't as bad as tribes ascend about it. However its very prone to releasing something good and then getting beaten down. Damage 2.0 change is the only real shift I can recall, and that wasn't so many nerfs as many weapons dps was split into different parts and by proxy weakened overall since the damage was no longer flat without resistance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luanle21 Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 Warframe isn't an MMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VKhaun Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 MMORPG's adjust things a lot, but it's typically subtle. It's more-so a trend of action+RPG games, where they have to make sure that RPG elements don't override gameplay. If you have an enemy designed so you need to dodge some attack, but you can have so much EHP that you don't have to worry about it, then RPG is overriding the action. Same thing if you can just vaporize hordes of enemies with an overpowered weapon. All the mechanics of that horde are totally wasted dev time now, because the gameplay they were intended to create isn't happening as they're just being wiped off the screen in under a second. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CptFaustas Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 Nerfing of everything is popular in multiplayer games. It's far easier to tone down a problematic thing than to bring everything else to that level. Also it's easier for the user, since endless buffing would result in a problem where every number is very big, but it doesn't feel like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrizzis Posted March 15, 2014 Author Share Posted March 15, 2014 However its very prone to releasing something good and then getting beaten down. Can you elaborate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xShadowsaur Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 Warframe is not an MMO anyone who tells you otherwise is wrong. Not yet. It will be questionable once the space hubs come in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrizzis Posted March 15, 2014 Author Share Posted March 15, 2014 Warframe isn't an MMO. What is it? Whatever it is, is the issue in question generalized to all games in the same category as Warframe, or is it because Warframe is in Beta? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrotherIcarus Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 Not yet. It will be questionable once the space hubs come in. Even then it will not really be an MMO as they are just hubs basically just region chat with avatars, perhaps warframe will in the future become an MMO but it is not one at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueQuail Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 (edited) "People cry nerf because they are 'jealous' or don't have the weapon/gear"OH! You're one of those people. What a shame. Edited March 15, 2014 by BlueQuail Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NukaKV Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 TPS (Third person shooter) with 4-player co-op heavily inspired by Left 4 Dead. That and it's kind of it's own unique thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xShadowsaur Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 Even then it will not really be an MMO as they are just hubs basically just region chat with avatars, perhaps warframe will in the future become an MMO but it is not one at the moment. Yes, not yet. Though I'd be curious as to see what would happen for it to truly become an MMO. Maybe a game mode with tons of warframes fighting a HUGE battle. Like warfare and whatnot. Ah, a Tenno can dream. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradoxity Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 Don't laugh, but Warframe is the first MMO I've played past a couple of hours. I've noticed a trend where a weapon is introduced, users who commit the time to farm for the the weapon and forma it love it, but those who don't own the weapon cry "nerf" and it is done. More often than I'd like to see, the weapon becomes an object of resentment to those who have put the love into it. Is this a trend of MMOs in general, or Is it because Warframe is in Beta? Yes and no. Balance changes are common in MMOs, be they buffs or nerfs to classes, weapons, abilities- whatever. Warframe is actually pretty good about nerfing things that need it, though there's a few outliers where they've nerfed things that really, really didn't need changed. and usually they're not nerfing because of forum whiners. you'd be surprised there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrizzis Posted March 15, 2014 Author Share Posted March 15, 2014 Yes and no. Balance changes are common in MMOs, be they buffs or nerfs to classes, weapons, abilities- whatever. Warframe is actually pretty good about nerfing things that need it, though there's a few outliers where they've nerfed things that really, really didn't need changed. and usually they're not nerfing because of forum whiners. you'd be surprised there. Thanks! Question answered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llyssa Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 This makes it sound like every weapon released is nerfed. I think they've nerfed like... maybe 5? Out of 120+, that's not much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archistopheles Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 Massively multiplayer online? Yes Massively multiplayer online in the same area? No Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OriKlein Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 Warframe is a dungeon crawler. And yes, nerfing in online games (MPOGs) is the norm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deservate Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 One word: beta. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archistopheles Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 One word: beta. Because games that aren't in beta never nerf anything? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taiiat Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 Can you elaborate? *cough* flavor of the week Weapon is released. a couple weeks later, it gets it's balance passover so that it actually fits into the scope of the game instead of one-upping everything. but anyways, yes Balance Changes are common in all games. that get updated that is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamstertron Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 Remember that DE don't want there to be a set of mandatory weapons or warframe builds at any level of content. I remember playing World of Warcraft a few years back and being refused to join a raid because I didn't have the correct talents and had the wrong main-hand weapon for some top-level 40 man raid. Completely ridiculous situation.Now imagine getting kicked from a T3 Derelict for not having a Nova with a Soma, or a Valkyr with a Vulkar. DE have done well because people can reasonably reply to this post with "Hey Hamstertron, I beg to politely disagree*, Nova isn't the ultimate frame - <insert frame> master-race!" "Stug lyfe!", "Akprova vandal 4eva!" etc * because that's how people disagree with each other on the internet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aishi Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 (edited) Now imagine getting kicked from a T3 Derelict for not having a Nova with a Soma, or a Valkyr with a Vulkar. No, you just don't get invited in the first place. See: ODD, recent Shield event. LF> Nova, Ogris User, Vauban, Trinity, Frost It's more similar than you seem to understand. Warframe is an MMOFPS with RPG elements, there is no denying this no matter how hard this community circlejerks. The only thing to say is that there's just a focus on instances. Dragon Nest follows the same exact format, there is no combat except in 4 man instances or 8 man raids. It's an MMORPG. People have often said it's MMO based on how many people you're able to interact with at once: case in point Chatframe. Edited March 15, 2014 by Aishi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SolidSp33d Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 Not yet. It will be questionable once the space hubs come in. Warframe won't go any farther than a pseudo MMO or MMO-lite at that point. Which is what Stever already said they are going for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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