LikeABawsh Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 Title says it all. Rhino Prime got a bit of a speed buff from 0.9 to 1.0, making Frost Prime the slowest frame out there. I find it ironic that the "heaviest frame" runs faster than Frost Prime. Is Frost out of shape? Too many Big Macs?But seriously, is Frost Prime going to become faster in the future? Or is there some other way that you plan on buffing him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InariOkami Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 Probably not. Just throw on a Rush O.o Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrotherIcarus Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 Probably not. Why are people so but hurt about the Rhino prime thing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verryn Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 Rhino was always faster. Vanguard Helm. Deal with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lawlesswar Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 Zorencopter will solve them all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
izzatuw Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 Probably not. Why are people so but hurt about the Rhino prime thing I don't care honestly but the only thing Loki got going for him was his speed, but that spot has to be shared with the "Heaviest" frame. Loki has the lowest shield, now the only he does got going for him is his powers himself. Even in Loki vid he sacrifices armor for speed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoboDoge Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 I don't care honestly but the only thing Loki got going for him was his speed, but that spot has to be shared with the "Heaviest" frame. Loki has the lowest shield, now the only he does got going for him is his powers himself. Even in Loki vid he sacrifices armor for speed. Inb4 DE removes stats from alt helmets. Imagine Vanguard Rhino outrage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrotherIcarus Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 I don't care honestly but the only thing Loki got going for him was his speed, but that spot has to be shared with the "Heaviest" frame. Loki has the lowest shield, now the only he does got going for him is his powers himself. Even in Loki vid he sacrifices armor for speed. Ha any who think that all Loki has going for him is speed them they are doing it wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrotherIcarus Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 Inb4 DE removes stats from alt helmets. Imagine Vanguard Rhino outrage. You mean that thing they already confirmed they were going to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motakshi Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 (edited) Probably not. Why are people so but hurt about the Rhino prime thing Because, it sort of invalidates the lack of buffs that previous Prime frames get. All require finding the Helmet/Chassis/Systems and take 3 1/2 days to build, but now newer Primes get more than the previous ones did for the same efforts. The first Primes had little to no upgrades, simply more Polarities than their non-Prime counterparts, then the next now gets statistical bonuses. Will later frames get these buffs too, or will Rhino prime stand out as the only Prime with a real upgrade to it's non-Prime counter part? Adding Rush/coptering are just bandaids in a game with way too many workarounds and halfassed solutions already. Chopping out ~8 capacity to get Frost to a comparable speed is not a fix, nor is limiting yourself to weapons like Dual Zoren. (Besides, I'm fairly certain Melee 2.0 was said to be removing coptering) If Nova Prime came with 300 Power, would equipping Flow be a "fix" too? Edited March 16, 2014 by Motakshi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rakosta_Kai Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 (edited) I don't care honestly but the only thing Loki got going for him was his speed, but that spot has to be shared with the "Heaviest" frame. Loki has the lowest shield, now the only he does got going for him is his powers himself. Even in Loki vid he sacrifices armor for speed. That's a heavily re-hashed argument and anyone who actually knows how to play Loki knows that not to be true. On Topic: In regard to Frost... He definitely needs a speed buff or a movement skill and some measure of CC defense. I get that Snow Globe requires him to be stationary, but when you look at his kit you have to mod for power strength, range and duration and now armor to make his skills optimal. Even if you forma every slot (not required) you will still be left with no slots to put Rush or a KD defense mod in unless you sacrifice both hp and shields to do so. This completely ignores the fact that heavy recasting skills really need an efficiency mod. It's an, "all those teeth and not enough toothbrush " scenario. Something necessary is going to get missed. Edited March 16, 2014 by Padre_Akais Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrotherIcarus Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 Because, it sort of invalidates the lack of buffs that previous Prime frames get. All require finding the Helmet/Chassis/Systems and take 3 1/2 days to build, but now newer Primes get more than the previous ones did for the same efforts. The first Primes had little to no upgrades, simply more Polarities than their non-Prime counterparts, then the next now gets statistical bonuses. Will later frames get these buffs too, or will Rhino prime stand out as the only Prime with a real upgrade to it's non-Prime counter part? Adding Rush/coptering are just bandaids in a game with way too many workarounds and halfassed solutions already. Chopping out ~8 capacity to get Frost to a comparable speed is not a fix, nor is limiting yourself to weapons like Dual Zoren. (Besides, I'm fairly certain Melee 2.0 was said to be removing coptering) If Nova Prime came with 300 Power, would equipping Flow be a "fix" too? Finally someone who makes a valid argument and not just "But Loki is fast, only he can be fast" I understand were you are coming from and agree that the other prime warframe should get slight upgrades after all they are considered lore wise to be superior versions, and it feels like this is DE's attempt to see how receptive the community is to this. But Yes I see the fix to this "problem" being to give the other primes a slight boost to. For the sake of argument I think frost prime should get a slight boost to armour seeing as to how that interacts with snow globe now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rakosta_Kai Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 Inb4 DE removes stats from alt helmets. Imagine Vanguard Rhino outrage. LOL... You compare Rhino giving up a makeshift rush to Loki giving up extra Efficiency or Stretch? That will be the very definition of cutting your nose off to spite your face. Rhino loses a bit of speed compared to Loki losing perma-invis and that stadium size radial blind. I have a feeling that there is a very large number of Loki players who complained loudly but never thought about that consequence. I'm going to be lol'ing when it happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rakosta_Kai Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 Because, it sort of invalidates the lack of buffs that previous Prime frames get. All require finding the Helmet/Chassis/Systems and take 3 1/2 days to build, but now newer Primes get more than the previous ones did for the same efforts. The first Primes had little to no upgrades, simply more Polarities than their non-Prime counterparts, then the next now gets statistical bonuses. Will later frames get these buffs too, or will Rhino prime stand out as the only Prime with a real upgrade to it's non-Prime counter part? Adding Rush/coptering are just bandaids in a game with way too many workarounds and halfassed solutions already. Chopping out ~8 capacity to get Frost to a comparable speed is not a fix, nor is limiting yourself to weapons like Dual Zoren. (Besides, I'm fairly certain Melee 2.0 was said to be removing coptering) If Nova Prime came with 300 Power, would equipping Flow be a "fix" too? I agree with you. Primes need to each have something special. I don't think it should be additional speed for Frost though. Normal Frost needs that just as much in this case. Either that or add a movement skill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ_Redwire Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 Of all the buffs Frost would/should get, this is one of the least likely/necessary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrotherIcarus Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 -snip- Of all the buffs Frost would/should get, this is one of the least likely/necessary. I do not agree Frost does not need a speed buff he has a very static power set and promotes a static/slow play style speed would be severely wasted on him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Splatter_Puppet Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 I wouldn't mind seeing Frost Prime with a power strength or armor buff to help with the new snow globe mechanics, or to make avalanche suck less. I think increased speed isn't really all that useful for him, except maybe to keep up with rushers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motakshi Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 (edited) I agree with you. Primes need to each have something special. I don't think it should be additional speed for Frost though. Normal Frost needs that just as much in this case. Either that or add a movement skill An Armor increase would synchronize very well with the newest adjustment to Snow Globe, but I think Speed would still be the best buff to him overall. He has to increase Rush to get up to speed which, ignoring the 11 cost required, is crippling enough in that he is already spread very thin in what stats he needs, requiring Power/Efficiency/Range without sacrificing Duration too extremely. Saying that his play style is stationary is contradictory to DE's goal in getting him to move out of his globe with their recent adjustments. There's very few missions where Frost gets the opportunity to stand still in his bubble, sans Defense/Mobile Defense. Continuing to limit his usefulness to two or three mission types seems sad and a waste of potential and variety. Edited March 16, 2014 by Motakshi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strill Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 That's a heavily re-hashed argument and we all know it not to be true. I think it's true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roost_rd Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 People are mad about it because it makes all the other Prime Frames not as rewarding for farming. Or buying =_= Anywho, I strongly agree OP, my frost prime is still shuffling to the mobile defense areas while they are over there killing everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faustias Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 Speed buff on Frost Prime is not neccessary. Armor or Power Strength is a better choice, even if it's just 5% increase. The only thing I hate on Frost's speed is when I host T3 MD and there are those rushing fa***ots who rush and don't even try to clear the mobs on our way, AND I'M THE DATAMASS HOLDER. Last time there were like 20 Heavies and 20 Ancients between us three and that one rusher who never bothered clearing the rooms he went to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rakosta_Kai Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 I do not agree Frost does not need a speed buff he has a very static power set and promotes a static/slow play style speed would be severely wasted on him. Well I hope DE considers giving it to him so I can waste it on him... I don't like being obliged to copter so I can keep up in groups and I can't afford Rush as I have no expendable slots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rakosta_Kai Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 I think it's true. I'm sorry... I meant people who actually knew how to actually play Loki. I'll fix it for clarity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-CM-Crazy Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 Can't forget mag/ember/excalibur prime can we now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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