123Olympian Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 (edited) Listen while reading if you want: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LT-QJ15mTcQ As from this, I mean the Tenno must have faults: Regrets, mortality issues, deciding what is right. I am sure the Tenno have some predicaments, as they chose the future of the lives of the regular human civilizations as the devs said by live stream they are there: They stated that the civilians do look up to them as heros, the star within the light that will give them as reason to live. I know the majority of us do not want to Tenno to talk. I am not asking this. We need to know how these Tenno act, videos that show what they all are as a whole, not some killing machine. We need emotions to show that they are aware what they are doing, such as killing so many. This must make a dent on their sanity. We must know more of the Tenno, than just an Excalibur sleeping, we need to know how we got here, why. The Tenno have a story, which the Lotus says* they can restore, or at least I think when they said of the tutorial when I started. It can't be that all Tenno are that child from the Charlie and the Chocolate Factory with Johnny Depp in it, they are not pure. They have to show some faults. Some had to fall within the darkness within mortality and more. If you watched the Nogalista Critic with the old and new Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, this would be easier to understand. TL;DR: It just means, lore would be better if even the heroines had darkness within. Yes there is sacrifice, yet why not? They are only human. Edited March 16, 2014 by 123Olympian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bejuizb Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 We can know this from fanfics tbh. I think that's what the devs want too. Allow us to imagine how they would act/react to things around them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayliax Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 ..please +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
123Olympian Posted March 16, 2014 Author Share Posted March 16, 2014 We can know this from fanfics tbh. I think that's what the devs want too. Allow us to imagine how they would act/react to things around them. Agreed, some Tenno have to have some effect. Being in one firefight alone can harm a human greatly within mindset. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nerevar22g Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 please... this is Warframe, not cheap TV drama Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
123Olympian Posted March 16, 2014 Author Share Posted March 16, 2014 please... this is Warframe, not cheap TV drama People cry for lore. Some games that mix action with lore become stupendous. Lore is different than some TV Drama, at some aspects. I can give one example from top of my head: Skyrim. Drama has been around for ages, becoming on of the most known works from Romeo and Juliet from the stories of the Greek. TV has nothing to do with this, as most of their content is not the greatest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S.Fayden Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 Woah there, mate. You might need to slow down. DE has trouble getting even small amounts of basic lore into this game. Do you really think they could pull off lore that has any sort of emotional impact on anything? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nerevar22g Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 your reply just made me facepalm so hard... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bejuizb Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 please... this is Warframe, not cheap TV drama And what exactly is that supposed to mean? Just because its a game about silent people in suits doesn't mean that they'd be robotic. hell, they're relatively human. They should exhibit some emotions, and the OP is not at fault for pointing it out in his point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valiant Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 Woah there, mate. You might need to slow down. DE has trouble getting even small amounts of basic lore into this game. Do you really think they could pull off lore that has any sort of emotional impact on anything? Half the reason they're having trouble is because they're being too indecisive about it. At least that's what I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultarion Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 please... this is Warframe, not cheap TV drama cheap TV drama makes more sense than Warframe. Listen while reading if you want: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LT-QJ15mTcQ As from this, I mean the Tenno must have faults: Regrets, mortality issues, deciding what is right. I am sure the Tenno have some predicaments, as they chose the future of the lives of the regular human civilizations as the devs said by live stream they are there: They stated that the civilians do look up to them as heros, the star within the light that will give them as reason to live. I know the majority of us do not want to Tenno to talk. I am not asking this. We need to know how these Tenno act, videos that show what they all are as a whole, not some killing machine. We need emotions to show that they are aware what they are doing, such as killing so many. This must make a dent on their sanity. We must know more of the Tenno, than just an Excalibur sleeping, we need to know how we got here, why. The Tenno have a story, which the Lotus says* they can restore, or at least I think when they said of the tutorial when I started. It can't be that all Tenno are that child from the Charlie and the Chocolate Factory with Johnny Depp in it, they are not pure. They have to show some faults. Some had to fall within the darkness within mortality and more. If you watched the Nogalista Critic with the old and new Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, this would be easier to understand. TL;DR: It just means, lore would be better if even the heroines had darkness within. Yes there is sacrifice, yet why not? They are only human. Yes the lore lacks depth, I second this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
123Olympian Posted March 16, 2014 Author Share Posted March 16, 2014 Woah there, mate. You might need to slow down. DE has trouble getting even small amounts of basic lore into this game. Do you really think they could pull off lore that has any sort of emotional impact on anything? I am sure they can. Look what they have accomplished already. Just looks impossible now as they have not any progress as I know of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SALE94 Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 Oberon is not Human and i dont have anyting against furrries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CptWasea Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 Are the Tenno even human? Considering some of their shapes I'm not at all convinced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dexaldem Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 (edited) An excellent point to make. the Tenno really could use some emotional depth. lore on on wars battles of the recent and distant past would be nice. also SPEAKING of lore, what happened to the victory lore for the Cicero Crisis? :|- I DO imagine they're having some trouble, but i also think they may have forgotten about that little detail. Edited March 16, 2014 by Dexaldem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Talia. Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 Tennos were completely mutated from the Technocyte Virus, they are part of their warframe suits now, they are humans no more, any trace of their memories were wiped by the Cryo sleep. Now they only do as Lotus says. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
123Olympian Posted March 16, 2014 Author Share Posted March 16, 2014 Are the Tenno even human? Considering some of their shapes I'm not at all convinced. They have to be at least somewhat human, even if not, they must have emotion as they are living organisms. Note Kril talking about the suits, and even the infested talking about the weakness of flesh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notlamprey Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 I disagree. So much of the game's design already suggests a creative choice to leave player characterization up to the player. Think about the video game characters you remember most from childhood, or the ones who are most consistently and deeply beloved. Think about modern attempts to characterize popular protagonists - cases like Sonic and Samus. Once people have been given room to characterize from their own imagination, there simply isn't any way to succeed in overriding the "imagined character." You will inevitably alienate far more people than you please. Think about games that DE has taken part in developing over the years. I see a theme emerging. As an adult, I want to decide how my fantasy avatar reacts and develops in response as a result decisions made and problems faced. I think anything more than the most minimal characterization of the Tenno would be a mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
douglasdamm Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 yea, right now, we dont know why the tenno really fight for, the tiny minuscule lore says they fight to keep the balance ( i think), but then theres lotus giving us orders, and we the players dont know anything about her, she could even be some kind of virus, program made by some faction to manipulate the tenno lol...we need some kind of story, but when the devs decide to put some lore and some campaign (idk if they even want to make it) i really doubt it'll be complex and "touching"also +1 for starbound OST =) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
123Olympian Posted March 16, 2014 Author Share Posted March 16, 2014 An excellent point to make. the Tenno really could use some emotional depth. lore on on wars battles of the recent and distant past would be nice. also SPEAKING of lore, what happened to the victory lore for the Cicero Crisis? :|- I DO imagine they're having some trouble, but i also think they may have forgotten about that little detail. Agreed on your point, and also agreed, where is the victories that should be in the codex? Tennos were completely mutated from the Technocyte Virus, they are part of their warframe suits now, they are humans no more, any trace of their memories were wiped by the Cryo sleep. Now they only do as Lotus says. Seems logical, yet they must have some way to regain it with the technology of the future at least. Even so, they are living and have feelings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SALE94 Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 *They are humans no more* Remember that next time when you see comments that saryn is hot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
123Olympian Posted March 16, 2014 Author Share Posted March 16, 2014 I disagree. So much of the game's design already suggests a creative choice to leave player characterization up to the player. Think about the video game characters you remember most from childhood, or the ones who are most consistently and deeply beloved. Think about modern attempts to characterize popular protagonists - cases like Sonic and Samus. Once people have been given room to characterize from their own imagination, there simply isn't any way to succeed in overriding the "imagined character." You will inevitably alienate far more people than you please. Think about games that DE has taken part in developing over the years. I see a theme emerging. As an adult, I want to decide how my fantasy avatar reacts and develops in response as a result decisions made and problems faced. I think anything more than the most minimal characterization of the Tenno would be a mistake. Why not show all options that we think of? We don't need to override imagination if we chose all choices, as the numbers of Tenno are immense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dexaldem Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 (edited) I disagree. So much of the game's design already suggests a creative choice to leave player characterization up to the player. Think about the video game characters you remember most from childhood, or the ones who are most consistently and deeply beloved. Think about modern attempts to characterize popular protagonists - cases like Sonic and Samus. Once people have been given room to characterize from their own imagination, there simply isn't any way to succeed in overriding the "imagined character." You will inevitably alienate far more people than you please. Think about games that DE has taken part in developing over the years. I see a theme emerging. As an adult, I want to decide how my fantasy avatar reacts and develops in response as a result decisions made and problems faced. I think anything more than the most minimal characterization of the Tenno would be a mistake. Actually....Samus is a perfect silent protagonist. Look at the Metroid Prime series. She doesn't have to even speak for people to know her character, It's all in the body language, and that's what I'm talking about for the Tenno - something along those lines. All we have right now are stances, and soon we'll (hopefully) have emotes. My point however is, what if the Tenno actually EXPRESSED themselves? Kind of like Samus from Metroid Prime? the only Warframe that actually has a voice is Valkyr, and that's when she activates Hysteria, but the simple act of her shouting isn't the point, What I'm saying is I think emotional display through pure body language would be a decent thing to do. Maybe like the rediculous amount of emotes that Lost Planet 2 has? :3 Edited March 16, 2014 by Dexaldem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valiant Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 *They are humans no more* Remember that next time when you see comments that saryn is hot. "Saryn's a hot non-human" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CptWasea Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 I do agree that there should be more lore. At the moment the impression I have is that Lotus (whatever it is) woke us and now we are her/their indentured servants. The tenno are not even voiced, so we seem to be mindless puppets blindly obeying orders that do not seem to make much sense. (Yes, I know some people do not want voices, I was just making a point). I think for the Tenno to show emotion this game would have to be a full fledged RPG, (which is not the case, sadly for me); otherwise the devs would have to arbitrarily show a Tenno's personality and incur the wrath of the playerbase that had a different headcanon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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