Lephantis Just Got A Bit Darker

[Brimir]

speaking of this..... is it even explained why they are so huge? or are we Tenno just small?

 

Gameplay mechanics, really. More dangerous enemies are made larger to be more visually distinct. It works for the Grineer since they can just graft taller legs onto their Napalms/Bombards but not so much the Corpus who are just regular humans...

 

I do recall reading that they are working on remaking the Techs though and that their current "super-sized crewman"-model is just a placeholder.

 

 

If Dark Sector lore as been completely overridden, I'd like to see where/when it was changed.

 

It has been plenty confirmed that Dark Sector is a spiritual sequel only, not a canonical one by now.

Edited March 18, 2014 by Brimir

[.Talia.]

True we don't know.

But we can make educated guesses. Everything points towards them being humans.

Warframes do not work that way. Possibly Warframes amplify their powers, and act as lifesupport for their diseased/mutated forms. Tenno are more than capable of using their powers without one, as demonstrated by child Ember melting half of someone's face just after having returned from the Void.

First off, stop going to the Wiki for lore. Everyone and their grandma can edit those. It is nothing official and is just as unreliable as anything you'll read on the forums. You might as well be linking me to user posts on the forums.

If you first read Excalibro's Codex entry, and then Embers, you get a pretty good overview of how the Tenno were created.

The Story Thus Far:

The Orokin were involved in a war with an enemy known only as "The Sentients".

The Orokin were on the brink of extinction at the hand of the Sentient.

In desperation, they sent a number of their people into the Void.

The ones who returned were afflicted by the Technocyte virus and were "twisted" but had gained powers.

The Warframes were built for them, possibly to amplify their powers and possibly to act as lifesupport.

The Tenno were trained an eventually won the war against The Sentients.

Later, for whatever reason, the Tenno turned on the Orokin - a conflict that eventually lead to the collapse of the Orokin era.

The Tenno, for whatever reason, cryogenically froze themselves.

Much later, the Grineer and Corpus emerged from the chaos of the collapse and are fighting for control of the Sol system.

To best the other, they are looking for Orokin technology - neither the Grineer or Corpus actually have their own tech, it is all reverse-engineered from old Orokin tech so finding it is top priority.

The Grineer/Corpus find the sleeping Tenno and realize that the Warframes are highly advanced pieces of Orokin tech. They start to hunt down the sleeping Tenno for this reason.

The Lotus starts to wake the sleeping Tenno in order to warn them of this and to rally them to put up a fight.

Enter the tutorial mission.

Well for me your assumptions are just as unreliable as the wikia. :P

 

And almost everything you said there is in the wikia link i posted... So i'm not sure what is the disagreement here.

Edited March 18, 2014 by RexSol

[Ionus]

True we don't know.

 

But we can make educated guesses. Everything points towards them being humans.

 

 

Warframes do not work that way. Possibly Warframes amplify their powers, and act as lifesupport for their diseased/mutated forms. Tenno are more than capable of using their powers without one, as demonstrated by child Ember melting half of someone's face just after having returned from the Void.

 

 

First off, stop going to the Wiki for lore. Everyone and their grandma can edit those. It is nothing official and is just as unreliable as anything you'll read on the forums. You might as well be linking me to user posts on the forums.

 

If you first read Excalibro's Codex entry, and then Embers, you get a pretty good overview of how the Tenno were created.

 

The Story Thus Far:

 

The Orokin were involved in a war with an enemy known only as "The Sentients".

The Orokin were on the brink of extinction at the hand of the Sentient.

In desperation, they sent a number of their people into the Void.

The ones who returned were afflicted by the Technocyte virus and were "twisted" but had gained powers.

The Warframes were built for them, possibly to amplify their powers and possibly to act as lifesupport.

The Tenno were trained an eventually won the war against The Sentients.

Later, for whatever reason, the Tenno turned on the Orokin - a conflict that eventually lead to the collapse of the Orokin era.

The Tenno, for whatever reason, cryogenically froze themselves.

 

Much later, the Grineer and Corpus emerged from the chaos of the collapse and are fighting for control of the Sol system.

To best the other, they are looking for Orokin technology - neither the Grineer or Corpus actually have their own tech, it is all reverse-engineered from old Orokin tech so finding it is top priority.

The Grineer/Corpus find the sleeping Tenno and realize that the Warframes are highly advanced pieces of Orokin tech. They start to hunt down the sleeping Tenno for this reason.

The Lotus starts to wake the sleeping Tenno in order to warn them of this and to rally them to put up a fight.

 

Enter the tutorial mission.

 

This is the only one that isn't correct. The Tenno were twisted by the Void itself, not the Technocyte Virus. The Virus was specifically created by the Orokin to combat the Sentients before they created the Tenno. The only direct realtion between the Tenno and the Virus is in the making of their warframes, not the pilots.

[Brimir]

Well for me your assumptions are just as unreliable as the wikia. :P

 

That's a good boy. That's the attitude!

 

However, I did say that you could check it all out for yourself in-game.

 

 

 

This is the only one that isn't correct. The Tenno were twisted by the Void itself, not the Technocyte Virus. The Virus was specifically created by the Orokin to combat the Sentients before they created the Tenno. The only direct realtion between the Tenno and the Virus is in the making of their warframes, not the pilots.

 

How do we know that the technocyte virus didn't originate from within the Void? It could've been the Tenno brought it back from the Void or the Orokin found it in a previous "Void expedition". It does not rule out the Tenno being infected in any way.

 

Also, the game drops pretty strong hints at you that the Tenno are indeed carriers of the virus. For example, all the Infested bosses (i.e the Infested hive-mind) seems utterly confused as to why you are destroying them since in their eyes you are the same.

 

"Why do you destroy us? We are your flesh."

 

Plus, y'know, the Tenno seem to be immune towards the Technocyte virus as well. If they were carriers, but somehow immune to the devastating effects of it, it would make sense that they would appear immune.

Edited March 18, 2014 by Brimir

[NevanChambers]

This is the only one that isn't correct. The Tenno were twisted by the Void itself, not the Technocyte Virus. The Virus was specifically created by the Orokin to combat the Sentients before they created the Tenno. The only direct realtion between the Tenno and the Virus is in the making of their warframes, not the pilots.

 

Actually they are compatible ideas. Hayden didn't have the kind of powers that we do so the Tenno before could have been like Hayden till they were exposed to the void giving them new powers. 

[rapt0rman]

Plus, y'know, the Tenno seem to be immune towards the Technocyte virus as well. If they were carriers, but somehow immune to the devastating effects of it, it would make sense that they would appear immune.

Actually the flavor text for the Dual Ethers suggests that the tenno can become infested.

[NevanChambers]

Gameplay mechanics, really. More dangerous enemies are made larger to be more visually distinct. It works for the Grineer since they can just graft taller legs onto their Napalms/Bombards but not so much the Corpus who are just regular humans...

 

I do recall reading that they are working on remaking the Techs though and that their current "super-sized crewman"-model is just a placeholder.

 

 

 

It has been plenty confirmed that Dark Sector is a spiritual sequel only, not a canonical one by now.

 

Wait who confirmed this? Cause DESteve said that we would be getting more stuff that's related to darksector starting the beginning of next month.

 

Actually the flavor text for the Dual Ethers suggests that the tenno can become infested.

 

it says allies not fellow tenno

Edited March 18, 2014 by NevanChambers

[.Talia.]

That's a good boy. That's the attitude!

 

However, I did say that you could check it all out for yourself in-game.

 

Where exactly can i confirm this in game? I checked the Codex, nothing there.

Tutorial Mission? I just played it and didn't find any evidence to support that the Tenno are the Orokin.

Don't try to belittle my assumptions when you are making assumptions too :P

Edited March 18, 2014 by RexSol

[Sapphirya]

"Why do you destroy us? We are your flesh."

Because every current infested creature in the solar system is made up of human biomatter.

[Octoknightx]

http://warframe.wikia.com/wiki/Lephantis

According to the wiki: Underneath the Infested Grineer head there is a person's face, akin to darkSector boss Mezner who also is fought in a large arena-type area and whose face is distorted and stretched over the Infested creature.

 

So it might be safe to assume that Mezner from DarkSector is Lephantis or that Lephantis is just the exact same thing Mezner turned into just without it actually being Mezner.

 

We know that Mezner got infected and turned into a hydra looking monster so...

 

THE MYSTERY CONTINUES!

[Tekky]

 

It has been plenty confirmed that Dark Sector is a spiritual sequel only, not a canonical one by now.

 

uhh, pretty sure you can still find direct evidence of Dark Sector being canonical.

Hell, just reading over the glaive entry states that it is related to the first Tenno.

 

I'd still like to find out where most of the older lore went.

 

"The Tenno share the last name with Hayden Tenno, the protagonist of Dark Sector. This was confirmed in Livestream 10: that Hayden is indeed the "first Tenno". His connection to the Tenno in the current time period of Warframe is unknown, but if the confirmation of Hayden being the first Tenno is correct, this implies that a form of the Technocyte virus exists in the Void, where the Pre-Tenno were mutated and corrupted. The two games' settings are different, however, as Hayden is not Infected from the void in Dark Sector."

 

I'd like to make it clear that I don't necessarily believe that dark sector and warframe are in the same timeline, but there is quite a bit of evidence to support it, and it was definitely made obvious that the two are related. Hayden Tenno is present in both - now, whether this is the Hayden Tenno from the original game concept, taking place in space, or the Hayden Tenno from Dark Sector, it's not very obvious.

 

I'd be hard-pressed to disprove that Dark Sector and Warframe are not canonical though. There's nothing that really goes against lore, aside from the virus originating on Earth. Plus, it's still reasonable that the virus was dealt with and somehow dumped in the void.

Edited March 18, 2014 by Tekky

[Brimir]

 I just played it and didn't find any evidence to support that the Tenno are the Orokin.

 

Ember's Codex Entry pretty much confirms the Tenno being Orokin children being experimented on in secret by the Orokin military.

 

Stalker's Codex Entry place the Tenno in the middle of a huge Orokin ceremony hailing them as saviors of their race.

 

 

 

Wait who confirmed this?

 

There was a thread a while back. I don't remember the title other than it having "Corpus tech" and "Placeholder" in the title. I'll see if I can dig it up.

 

EDIT: https://forums.warframe.com/index.php?/topic/165158-are-corpus-tech-models-placeholders/page-4#entry2156090

Edited March 18, 2014 by Brimir

[Sapphirya]

Also It could be a sentient, or the infestation took a corpus body and stretched it the hell out, or could possibly be an orokin that was mutated into a huge lumbering beast, and fused into a giant being called lephantis.

 

 

 

See the Corpus jumpsuit and the Grineer Ballista arms? Unless the infestation has the ability to superstretch armor plating and spacesuits, it's larger than it should be. I think that Lephantis was originally intended to be much smaller, then at the last minute, after the 3-D model was already done, they decided to make it big and upscale it. It would explain Lephantis' blurry textures.

[.Talia.]

 

 

See the Corpus jumpsuit and the Grineer Ballista arms? Unless the infestation has the ability to superstretch armor plating and spacesuits, it's larger than it should be. I think that Lephantis was originally intended to be much smaller, then at the last minute, after the 3-D model was already done, they decided to make it big and upscale it. It would explain Lephantis' blurry textures.

 

That makes sense, i think they should scale down the 3d model a little bit. I never paid attention to these details but now that i know, its really weird.

[Brimir]

^Definitely.

 

Remember, it wasn't supposed to be in the Derelicts as a unique boss at first; it was only supposed to replace Golem. I don't think they intended it to be much larger than the original Golem.

[Ionus]

How do we know that the technocyte virus didn't originate from within the Void? It could've been the Tenno brought it back from the Void or the Orokin found it in a previous "Void expedition". It does not rule out the Tenno being infected in any way.

 

Also, the game drops pretty strong hints at you that the Tenno are indeed carriers of the virus. For example, all the Infested bosses (i.e the Infested hive-mind) seems utterly confused as to why you are destroying them since in their eyes you are the same.

 

"Why do you destroy us? We are your flesh."

 

Plus, y'know, the Tenno seem to be immune towards the Technocyte virus as well. If they were carriers, but somehow immune to the devastating effects of it, it would make sense that they would appear immune.

 

"We are your flesh" could pertain to pretty much any creature in the system, seeing as Lephantis is made up of recognizable Corpus, Grineer, and other things. It doesn't seem confused, more like a sort of mocking, trying to coo a victim into giving in.

 

It is also conflicting with Phorid's quote:

 

"(Revoke the frailties of flesh. Let us in.)"

 

Why would Phorid say this if they were already carriers of the virus?

[SilentMobius]

Warframes do not work that way. Possibly Warframes amplify their powers, and act as lifesupport for their diseased/mutated forms. Tenno are more than capable of using their powers without one, as demonstrated by child Ember melting half of someone's face just after having returned from the Void.

 

 

We know that there existed Tenno that gained powers from the Void, we know nothing about _our_ Tenno.

 

In-game _we_ equip powers _into_ the Warframe. Time and time again Steve has told us that the mods and powers are _gear_ distinguished from the Focus mechanic by the fact that this applies to the Tenno not the Warframe.

 

I don't debate that the origin of the Ember powers is that child, I do debate that _we_ are that child. I think it's much more likely that the Ember Warframe line was based on the _original_ Ember and carries her powers, shape and aspects of her personality in the Warframe (Much like the Original Valkyr)

Edited March 19, 2014 by SilentMobius

[SilentMobius]

Ember's Codex Entry pretty much confirms the Tenno being Orokin children being experimented on in secret by the Orokin military.

 

Stalker's Codex Entry place the Tenno in the middle of a huge Orokin ceremony hailing them as saviors of their race.

 

The Ember codex talks about _a_ military, nothing says it is Orokin, for all we know the Orokin ruled over Humanity while being completely separate.

The Stalker codex is _quite_ specific about their "cold and gold emperors" as separate entities, and as we know Orokin is Oro=Gold Kin=People.

 

We still have no idea if the Orokin are human or if the Tenno are Orokin.

[Wurdyburd]

We all know his leg is in the dojo lab. Ever taken a close look at it?

 

the ribcage, spine, hip bone, thighs, calf/shin and feet(fused togeather)

 

Its a huminoid bone structure but... the size of it is inhuman. What could have gotten infested that was that size?

 

 

Clearly the mummified remains of a Luminoth :P

http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100215015217/metroid/images/thumb/6/67/Luminoth.jpg/500px-Luminoth.jpg

[Brimir]

Mobious, look:

 

a. The Tenno were originally Orokin children. This is blatantly obvious given Ember's lore entry.

 

b. The child in Ember's lore entry is Ember - the original Ember.

 

c. Your Ember is the original Ember - there are no "generations" of Tenno, there are only the original ones.

 

The reason why the original Tenno are still around is because they cryogenically froze themselves after they "betrayed" the Orokin.

Edited March 19, 2014 by Brimir

[NevanChambers]

"We are your flesh" could pertain to pretty much any creature in the system, seeing as Lephantis is made up of recognizable Corpus, Grineer, and other things. It doesn't seem confused, more like a sort of mocking, trying to coo a victim into giving in.

 

It is also conflicting with Phorid's quote:

 

"(Revoke the frailties of flesh. Let us in.)"

 

Why would Phorid say this if they were already carriers of the virus?

Because though we carry the virus we aren't part of the infested hive mind.

[Brimir]

Because though we carry the virus we aren't part of the infested hive mind.

 

Indeed. It could be interpreted as the Infested consciousness arguing that the Tenno should remove whatever block they've got put in place to prevent their infestation from taking hold of them.

[NevanChambers]

Mobious, look:

 

a. The Tenno were originally Orokin children. This is blatantly obvious given Ember's lore entry.

 

b. The child in Ember's lore entry is Ember - the original Ember.

 

c. Your Ember is the original Ember - there are no "generations" of Tenno, there are only the original ones.

 

The reason why the original Tenno are still around is because they cryogenically froze themselves after they "betrayed" the Orokin.

A.) It is ambiguous, we don't know the children were orokin they could be human, they could be void projections, they could be the first Sentients. Some of these are ridiculous but the point is we don't know the orokin were or weren't human we don't even have any hints one way or the other just speculation and assumption.

B.) again we don't know the Children grew into the Tenno (yet)

C.) we don't know there weren't generations we don't know how long the war with the Sentients went on could have been hundreds of years or a week. This also leaves a hole as to why I was in a squad with 4 embers if they are all the originals. This may be the result of the gameplay not being informed by lore but to say one way or the other is assumption

I have no problems with your theories, they may well be right. However you are stating assumption as fact, facts that no one (unless you're secretly on the dev team) actually have.

[xoxcloudxox]

Giant Mutant orokin infested with blades for arms that are 4 metres long, and have the movement speed of loki.

Edited March 19, 2014 by xoxcloudxox

[AlchemistMute]

That's a good boy. That's the attitude!

 

However, I did say that you could check it all out for yourself in-game.

 

 

 

 

How do we know that the technocyte virus didn't originate from within the Void? It could've been the Tenno brought it back from the Void or the Orokin found it in a previous "Void expedition". It does not rule out the Tenno being infected in any way.

 

Also, the game drops pretty strong hints at you that the Tenno are indeed carriers of the virus. For example, all the Infested bosses (i.e the Infested hive-mind) seems utterly confused as to why you are destroying them since in their eyes you are the same.

 

"Why do you destroy us? We are your flesh."

 

Plus, y'know, the Tenno seem to be immune towards the Technocyte virus as well. If they were carriers, but somehow immune to the devastating effects of it, it would make sense that they would appear immune.

Hell, Plastids are required to build the Systems of every Orokin Frame. Nekros and onwards does not use them