Suggestion: Skins On Prime Weapons Revert Model To The Non-Prime Version

[Jiminez_Burial]

Ok, so many of these threads have popped up, and there has been responses from DE about not wanting to have to create a new skin model for the prime variants, but this is not what I am asking.  I am learning python coding, and have come across what are known as 'functions'.  they set up a reusable part of the code that can be named any number of times to get the entire code outputted.  Not only this, but you can assign local variables that only affect that one instance of the function.  What I am asking seems very simple from a code stand point, and requires absolutely no effort on the animation side of things, and it is to return a prime weapon to its original look, and apply the skin over that.  It can be a simple reference code that, when the skin is applies, replaces the look with that of a skinned normal version. 

 

I am not entirely sure whether my assumptions on the coding side of things is as easy as I said, but I can't imagine many ways this would cause new bugs (as it is a simple 'if' statement affecting the function) and apart from 3 minutes in the code, there is almost no effort needed.

 

I like to have a full set of primes, but I also like the base models of many of the weapons more when customizing.  Keeping the base version of a primed weapon you have seems wasteful, and this could be a good alternative. 

On the grounds of 'primes are special, they should be shown off', I say that on the bases of customization (which lets face, having bright pink snowglobes, casted by a safety-jacket orange frost, using a snow white rocket launcher, pitch black hand monster that spits acid, and a rocket powered green hammer, along with the ultimate vacuum with a dart gun, is quite good already), being able to choose whether to show off the primes is a small addition that will only further the amount of personalization that will be available.  The prime weapons will maintain all their stats when given the skin, and the base and prime versions will still be separate.

 

Please DE, This is about the only annoying aspect of Warframe for me regarding animation.

GIVE US OUR SPARKLY PINK WEAPONS OF DESTRUCTION!!!!!!

Kindly (and pleadingly) a Warframe veteran, and committed Tenno

Edited March 19, 2014 by Starfreak911

[Noogums]

Edited the title for clarity. 

 

I still support this.

[Jiminez_Burial]

thank you for the support, but I am saying that, for example, the boltor prime can have the forest camo on it that reverts the model back to base, not that you can choose it to look like the original without buying a skin.

[Noogums]

thank you for the support, but I am saying that, for example, the boltor prime can have the forest camo on it that reverts the model back to base, not that you can choose it to look like the original without buying a skin.

My apologies, I mis-understood. Though I'm still in support of it. Thread title edited again, thanks for explaining that to me.

Edited March 20, 2014 by Noogums

[SJunior]

I mean, I'v seen some of the DE replies to this subject saying how in a lore sense they won't/can't, For whatever reason. Then I'm like.

 

"We already put our own custom coloring on it. We already put our own skins and decal on our prime warframes. Yet, We aren't/can't the guns? Wat."

 

I dunno, It just doesn't seem like much sense to me. And in a not Lore perspective, It makes you feel like you wasted your Money when you buy a weapon skin, Upgrade to the prime version, And ohey. You can't use it anymore. And there's no incentive to use the Old, Non primed version as opposed to the Prime.

 

Atleast with the Wraiths you can still use your Skins. (Example: Gorgon wraith. I made my B And C color sets my Day of the dead skin and Desert camo.)

 

So yeah. Anyone else with me on this?

 

Edit: I'm mostly refering to this. (Ty to RexSol for finding it.)

 

 

Lore-wise, these weapons are the predecessors of the standard weapons. It does not really make sense that the Ancient Orokins planned on supporting skins for their technology developed by their Tenno ancestors."

 

There was a topic about this a while ago, and it got locked. (Why?) https://forums.warframe.com/index.php?/topic/194240-skins-for-weapons-and-prime-counterparts/

 

Again. My main point against it is, Yet we can put skins on Prime Frames. And there are plans in the works so that the Immortal skins will mesh even better with the Prime Frames. Just seems contradictory and like a way out.

Edited March 20, 2014 by SJunior

[bejuizb]

You honestly think you can see designs with all that gold on there?

[Dtexas]

Its because the mesh for the prime weapons is different from the mesh on the regular weapons. As such the skins just do not work properly on the prime versions.

[Zerrien]

It's a matter of the model itself.

 

I guess Warframes are considered... higher priority targets, as you can apply an Immortal skin to a Prime Warframe, but you can't apply a Forest Camo skin to a Prime Weapon.

 

Should they fix it? Yes. Are there bigger fish to fry? Eh, some.

[SJunior]

Its because the mesh for the prime weapons is different from the mesh on the regular weapons. As such the skins just do not work properly on the prime versions.

 

I know that. And I know it would be some work to implement it. But I'm more so going on about my first point of how they won't be adding it in because it wouldn't work in a Lore way.

[.Talia.]

Here is a quote from DE Draice on Art & Animations forums:

 

"There are no plans to support additional skins on Prime Weapons at this time. The main reason being that the mesh for the Prime variations is usually modified, so skins that work on the standard guns will not wrap correctly around them. We would need to create a unique alternative skin for them.

 

Lore-wise, these weapons are the predecessors of the standard weapons. It does not really make sense that the Ancient Orokins planned on supporting skins for their technology developed by their Tenno ancestors."

 

There was a topic about this a while ago, and it got locked. (Why?) https://forums.warframe.com/index.php?/topic/194240-skins-for-weapons-and-prime-counterparts/

Edited March 20, 2014 by RexSol

[Rakosta_Kai]

Sadly, no...

 

DE members have said art direction isn't cool with the idea. They have their vision and this doesn't fit in it.

There are no prime weapons with skins and based on the comments to threads like this... I don't expect to see one any time soon.

 

While I can't get behind all of their visions, I dig them enough to be willing to support their stances on their creations.

I didn't dream it up, I just get to play with it.

[Bobsplosion]

I just want to use my Phased Ankyros skin on the Ankyros Prime dammit.

[Rakosta_Kai]

 

Here is a quote from DE Draice on Art & Animations forums:

 

"There are no plans to support additional skins on Prime Weapons at this time. The main reason being that the mesh for the Prime variations is usually modified, so skins that work on the standard guns will not wrap correctly around them. We would need to create a unique alternative skin for them.

 

Lore-wise, these weapons are the predecessors of the standard weapons. It does not really make sense that the Ancient Orokins planned on supporting skins for their technology developed by their Tenno ancestors."

 

There was a topic about this a while ago, and it got locked. (Why?) https://forums.warframe.com/index.php?/topic/194240-skins-for-weapons-and-prime-counterparts/

 

This one will too when it get moved to Art and Animation.

The Curator in that forum ain't playin'...

When Tulz moves this, it's gonna explode upon landing in that forum.

Edited March 20, 2014 by Padre_Akais

[Zerrien]

I just want to use my Phased Ankyros skin on the Ankyros Prime dammit.

 

DE's art team needs to reconsider, then. Tenno are parasites, and if they want to spray paint some camouflage on their Prime Latron, why not?

 

If they want to send their Ankyros into the void, and hope they'll get a Phased Ankyros Prime, why not?

[Kartumterek]

If you cant handle dem Goldz on dem Primes... dont use them? They are supposed to be bygone relics from a lost age. What makes you think we have the necessary skills to enhance and modify what is already the best thing out there?

[BrotherIcarus]

I see it as a good reason to use the none prime versions of the weapon.

[Phantasmo]

I mean, I'v seen some of the DE replies to this subject saying how in a lore sense they won't/can't, For whatever reason. Then I'm like.

 

"We already put our own custom coloring on it. We already put our own skins and decal on our prime warframes. Yet, We aren't/can't the guns? Wat."

 

I dunno, It just doesn't seem like much sense to me. And in a not Lore perspective, It makes you feel like you wasted your Money when you buy a weapon skin, Upgrade to the prime version, And ohey. You can't use it anymore. And there's no incentive to use the Old, Non primed version as opposed to the Prime.

 

Atleast with the Wraiths you can still use your Skins. (Example: Gorgon wraith. I made my B And C color sets my Day of the dead skin and Desert camo.)

 

So yeah. Anyone else with me on this?

 

Oh yes, count me in.

I want to get rid ot fhat ugly gold things too.

Here, only the gitanos (drug dealers, criminals, low lifes etc) use so much gold in such a bad taste.

 

It seems that in order to apply color to those areas they need to cook again the shaders/textures/some technicla stuff I don't remember.

 

It's about technical issues. Not that they can't, they just say it would take a lot of work.

[Cpt_Atroxium]

Lato Prime used to be able to use the "halloween" skin and it worked great and after a few patches it was appeared to be "fixed" Im not sure wha to feel, but skins for Primes I'd like to see. Maybe some Orokin skins atleast, dont have to be old one. But some kind of custom skins for Primes would be appreciated.

[Verryn]

Reaper Prime and Spearmint Scythe? Just a contradiction.

[Rakosta_Kai]

DE's art team needs to reconsider, then. Tenno are parasites, and if they want to spray paint some camouflage on their Prime Latron, why not?

 

If they want to send their Ankyros into the void, and hope they'll get a Phased Ankyros Prime, why not?

That's gonna be hard to argue...

How many phased ankyros skins are there?  10?

You want DE to expend art assets on an item that there are only 10 of?

[Zerrien]

That's gonna be hard to argue...

How many phased ankyros skins are there?  10?

You want DE to expend art assets on an item that there are only 10 of?

 

They're easily one of the most valuable items in the game. Worth, what? At least $300? Doesn't that kind of an item have enough weight, on it's own, to be considered?

[XenosInfinity]

Reaper Prime and Spearmint Scythe? Just a contradiction.

 

That's a model replacement rather than a pattern alteration, isn't it?

 

I just want to use my Phased Ankyros skin on the Ankyros Prime dammit.

 

I'm pretty sure that you are literally one of three people in the entire playerbase who has this problem. Although I do have to congratulate you on either your obscene luck or the obscene quantity of cash you sank into that.

[Bobsplosion]

That's a model replacement rather than a pattern alteration, isn't it?

 

 

I'm pretty sure that you are literally one of three people in the entire playerbase who has this problem. Although I do have to congratulate you on either your obscene luck or the obscene quantity of cash you sank into that.

There are like 8 people total.

I mean, I don't want to sound whiny, but I'd kinda really not want to put this skin to waste or have to use a subpar weapon.

[Exo594]

Reaper Prime and Spearmint Scythe? Just a contradiction.

Not really. The "skins" they're talking about are like paint colors, patterns that are dropped on over the body.

 

Spearmint Scythe (+the Dagger Axe skins and the Brokk/Manticore skins) are MODELS that are exchanged.

[StevangarCronox]

The Tenno have respect for the weapons of their Orokin predecessors, unlike you.