Clan Hall Question

[LennoFF]

New Clan "Owner" here with a quick question.

 

The initial Clan Hall is kinda useless and I looked up ways of upgrading it to a bigger one, and all the info is saying you cannot destroy Clan Hall, but can add onto it. 

 

This seems weird.  If I want the biggest Clan Hall, I need to line up every other one before it?  You can't just upgrade the one to have just one of them?

 

I hope I'm missing something.

[Guest]

As far as I have seen, the smaller ones count as pre-requisites for the bigger ones, so you have to have them all. Let me dig out my clan's layout and I'll post it for you to see what a mess it is. Actually, I just tried and it is apparently now possible to remove the smaller ones. I have no idea when this was implemented.

 

In short, you need to build them in order, but can apparently destroy the smaller ones as you go.

 

Here, my lone-wolf dojo. From top left down and to the right, every clan hall lined up. I'm about to start clearing it all up.

 

Edited March 20, 2014 by Guest

[LennoFF]

I really like that setup, but it still doesn't make sense you need to keep them all.

 

As a prerequisite, I was hoping it meant once one is built, you can upgrade it to the next one. 

 

Is there any way to pick spawn points? 

 

Thanks for the info and visual :)

[Guest]

Yes, once you have several clan halls you just activate the small console in them and have the option to set them as spawn point. You can't "upgrade" directly, sadly, but being able to demolish the older, smaller ones is the next best thing. I wonder how I missed that in the patch notes...

[LennoFF]

Wait, so you can delete the smaller ones?  If I build them all in a row like in yours, do I only need the biggest one and the one under it, or do I need every hall in a row?

[Guest]

Wait, so you can delete the smaller ones?  If I build them all in a row like in yours, do I only need the biggest one and the one under it, or do I need every hall in a row?

 

I can't be really sure because I only noticed this new feature just now; still, I'd wager you can build one, demolish the previous, build the next, and so on without trouble. I think you lose nothing by trying, though, and if it works it's gonna save you like half a dozen Forma.

[LennoFF]

Awesome, I will give it a shot.  Do resources that you put into rooms get saved only to rebuild that specific room, or will they apply to any addition?  I'm sure I will run into this stuff and figure it out, but if I got a dojo pro on the line, I might as well ask him, lol.  Thanks for your help :P

[Guest]

When you tear down a room or a decoration, the resources go to something called "the Vault", which is not actually a physical place, but a bank account of sorts. From the Vault, you can use those resources for absolutely anything in the Dojo: rooms, decorations, even research. However, you can never withdraw resources from the Vault into your inventory: what you put into the Dojo stays in there.

Oh, and if you use Plat to rush a room, it also goes to the Vault when you tear it down.

Last note: only clan members with the "Treasurer" role enabled can use the Vault materials. Everyone else will pay from their own materials even if there are some in the Vault. I assume you're the Warlord, so that role is always enabled for you.

 

And no worries, most people have these questions when they start their Dojo. The game itself is kinda lacking in information.

[LennoFF]

Good info, that about covers all the basics.  Really appreciate the help!

 

And yes, the game does lack info.  I wish there was a dojo tutorial like there is for new players, lol. 

[LennoFF]

Man, I don't get it, lol.  Doing something similar to your setup, I want to change the zen room to the right of the T, but it's making me delete the T and the room above it first.  I thought the T would hold the top left zen room and the top right zen room, and I could change the lower right one, but nooooooooo, have to delete everything, lol

[LennoFF]

And why can't you rush deleting rooms, lol.  Nothing can be easy in this game, lol

[Guest]

I know, some things are just weird, and it's kinda understandable with the way the game is developed. New features are rolling out all the time and others are being fixed and polished at the same time, there's bound to be silly funny glitches and quirks and loose ends all over LOL.

At least, the wait to demolish rooms is only two hours instead of the 24 it takes to build it.

 

EDIT: I'm logging out for the night, if you have any further questions just drop them here and maybe someone else will see them, otherwise I'll answer them tomorrow.

Edited March 20, 2014 by Guest

[LennoFF]

Thanks Mokunen, I'll get it all figured out.  I'm sure I'm not the first person that has built stuff and went "aww damnit" and had to wait 2 hours to demolish it all, lol. 

[gamefreak9149]

As far as I have seen, the smaller ones count as pre-requisites for the bigger ones, so you have to have them all. Let me dig out my clan's layout and I'll post it for you to see what a mess it is. Actually, I just tried and it is apparently now possible to remove the smaller ones. I have no idea when this was implemented.

 

In short, you need to build them in order, but can apparently destroy the smaller ones as you go.

 

Here, my lone-wolf dojo. From top left down and to the right, every clan hall lined up. I'm about to start clearing it all up.

 

nice setup of rooms

[LennoFF]

Hey Mokunen, what's that last room on the right past the biggest clan hall?  Can't seem to find anything that looks like that.  I think I am putting the obstacle course there.  Not sure yet.

[Guest]

Thanks Mokunen, I'll get it all figured out.  I'm sure I'm not the first person that has built stuff and went "aww damnit" and had to wait 2 hours to demolish it all, lol. 

 

Imagine how it was when the Tenno Lab was released and a lot of people had to tear their Dojos down because there was no room for it :P me included.

 

nice setup of rooms

 

Thanks, it kinda grew on its own accord LOL

 

Hey Mokunen, what's that last room on the right past the biggest clan hall?  Can't seem to find anything that looks like that.  I think I am putting the obstacle course there.  Not sure yet.

 

That's a large Garden that was added a few updates back, then removed because "it wasn't finished". The reason it appears in that picture is because it's kinda old; I also removed that particular garden later because it was too large and had too little decoration capacity.

[LennoFF]

Well just tried demolishing my initial clan hall.  I have my setup similar to yours, and the original clan hall is the last thing to the left.  When I tried to demolish it, I get a message "Could not queue component for destruction.  The energy provided by this component is necessary."  Not sure what I'm doing wrong. 

[Guest]

Well just tried demolishing my initial clan hall.  I have my setup similar to yours, and the original clan hall is the last thing to the left.  When I tried to demolish it, I get a message "Could not queue component for destruction.  The energy provided by this component is necessary."  Not sure what I'm doing wrong. 

 

Energy? That's weird. It could be that the first clan hall provides some energy to allow the construction of a few rooms for the first reactor... I'll check, but if that's the problem you should just build an extra reactor room.

 

EDIT: Yes, the first Clan Hall provide 5 energy. You're probably too close to the energy limit in your dojo, and demolishing the Hall would make the supply drop below zero. Apparently only the first hall does this, all the others consume 2 energy according to the Wiki.

 

EDIT 2: After destroying my own Clan Hall, I find out it's not possible to destroy the Great Hall. Apparently the developers did things halfway.

Edited March 20, 2014 by Guest

[LennoFF]

LOL, so illogical.  Well, at least if I can add some more energy, I can get rid of the first one I guess. 

[(PSN)infinite_avalon]

Is the option to delete the smaller halls available on ps4 yet or only pc? :/

[Guest]

Is the option to delete the smaller halls available on ps4 yet or only pc? :/

 

I don't know in which version this feature was implemented, so I have no way of knowing, sorry. One thing's for sure, you can only delete the smallest Clan Hall, at least for now, I tried deleting the Great Hall and it's not possible due to it "being a pre-requisite for other rooms" as I'm told by the in-game UI.

If I were you, I'd try to delete it anyway, there's nothing to lose AFAIK.

[LennoFF]

They must have changed energy amounts as well, because I had to add an additional reactor next to the dueling room to fit everything. 

[Guest]

They must have changed energy amounts as well, because I had to add an additional reactor next to the dueling room to fit everything. 

 

Strange. I since removed the dueling room and the large garden, and after removing the small Hall I have 22 surplus energy with those four reactors you see in the picture, which is still enough to build the dueling room again. How many reactors do you have total? Did you copy the layout or changed it somewhere?

[LennoFF]

I copied it (hope you don't mind, it's a compliment actually, lol).  I have the 4 reactor rooms in the same place you do.  I couldn't build the bio and chem lab though.  I needed to add a 5th reactor room next to the dueling room to do it.  maybe the different zen gardens take different energy? 

 

Edit:  Totally forgot to actually build 2 of them, just placed them there.  Ugh, I'm so new, hahaha.

Edited March 20, 2014 by LennoFF

[LennoFF]

Oh yeah, another question, do reactors on different floors power the whole dojo, or just stuff on their respective floors?  Thought it'd be a nice idea to make an elevator and put a row of reactors downstairs so they aren't on the main floor.

[Guest]

Oh yeah, another question, do reactors on different floors power the whole dojo, or just stuff on their respective floors?  Thought it'd be a nice idea to make an elevator and put a row of reactors downstairs so they aren't on the main floor.

 

As far as I know, energy and capacity are shared throughout the whole Dojo. I don't currently have an elevator, but my previous Dojo layout did have the reactors on another floor and they powered everything just fine.

 

I copied it (hope you don't mind, it's a compliment actually, lol).  I have the 4 reactor rooms in the same place you do.  I couldn't build the bio and chem lab though.  I needed to add a 5th reactor room next to the dueling room to do it.  maybe the different zen gardens take different energy? 

 

I don't mind at all, just wanted to know to have an idea of the source of your energy problems.

See, I checked the numbers in the Architect UI and all the research structures cost 5 energy each, all the gardens cost 6, the T connector costs 2, and each hall costs 2 as well. That would give a total of 5*5 + 6*3 + 2 + 2*4 = 53 power. Each reactor is supposed to give 25 power... four of them would give 100. In my dojo, the remaining power is listed as 22... giving a total of 75, which means (and I just confirmed it) that one of the reactors in the picture I gave you is not actually built, only laid down. Are you sure all of your reactors are built and done? You really shouldn't need five of them, which would give 125 energy, unless you built a few more things like an elevator or something.

 

EDIT: This is what my Dojo looks like right now, with the fourth Reactor having been canceled.

 

Edited March 20, 2014 by Guest