TheStag Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 (edited) Before you rage or flame, or do whatever you forumers do, please read this and understand the viewpoint I am taking. The Vanguard Helmet ruined Rhino. It looks great, but the stats have ruined all that Rhino is. Rhino is supposed to be a slow moving, powerful, tank frame. I often see Rhino filling this role, and carrying the team. His powers are all useful for utility, team buffs, defense, damage, and mobility. His one drawback, based on his original design, was speed. Rhino was slow, until the Vanguard Helmet was created. This removed the one drawback that Rhino had. All frames have a weakness, whether it be speed, low health/shield stats, low energy, etc. Vanguard allows a Rhino to be almost the speed of a Loki, and Rhino Prime is even faster than the normal Rhino! This completely ruins Rhino how he should be, and basically creates the "best" class in the game. DE has stated that they plan to make new helmets without stats, but they may leave the stats on the first few helmets. This is a TERRIBLE idea in Rhino's case. Rhino would stay horribly unbalanced, and many Rhino players in the future would be very angry at the fact that they missed the Vanguard Helmet. DE, in the name of balance, please remove the stats from ALL helmets when the time comes. Helmet stats ruined the balance in Rhino, and continue to disrupt other frames. A tank frame as fast as the weak guy is just wrong. Just imagine Heavy running around with Scout in TF2. Its just not right. Edit: inb4 "Fast paced ninja game", "It is in the future in space, anything is possible", or "rhino fstr than me pls nerf" This isn't a nerf thread. This is a plea for balance. Edited March 23, 2014 by TheStag Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scandroid Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 (edited) they are removing all stat helmets and replacing them with statles but one thing comes to mind when reading the thread rhino fsster than me nerf pls And should they also disable rhino from using rush mod too? Edited March 23, 2014 by Scandroid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angius Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 (edited) And here we are, let the whining begin! Rhino is faster than me, he can outrun and kill me... Oh, wait, it's not a PvP game, the speed gives him no advantage over me! Edited March 23, 2014 by Angius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bones7056 Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 they already talked about stat helms and how they are being removed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)IIIDevoidIII Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 (edited) they are removing all stat helmets and replacing them with statles but one thing comes to mind when reading the thread rhino fsster than me nerf pls They are removing the stat helms, retiring them, but if you already had them, you will keep them, with an option to revert to statless. Also, he's a 'Rhino'. Rhino's can run 60mph. It isn't all that far-fetched. Edited March 23, 2014 by (PS4)IIIDevoidIII Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zephyric_Reaper Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 They are removing the stat helms, retiring them, but if you already had them, you will keep them, with an option to revert to statless. Also, he's a 'Rhino'. Rhino's can run 60mph. It isn't all that far-fetched. Then I demand rhino's turn speed to be reduced by 300% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ObviousLee Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 Before you rage or flame, or do whatever you forumers do, please read this and understand the viewpoint I am taking. The Vanguard Helmet ruined Rhino. It looks great, but the stats have ruined all that Rhino is. Rhino is supposed to be a slow moving, powerful, tank frame. I often see Rhino filling this role, and carrying the team. His powers are all useful for utility, team buffs, defense, damage, and mobility. His one drawback, based on his original design, was speed. Rhino was slow, until the Vanguard Helmet was created. This removed the one drawback that Rhino had. All frames have a weakness, whether it be speed, low health/shield stats, low energy, etc. Vanguard allows a Rhino to be almost the speed of a Loki, and Rhino Prime is even faster than the normal Rhino! This completely ruins Rhino how he should be, and basically creates the "best" class in the game. DE has stated that they plan to make new helmets without stats, but they may leave the stats on the first few helmets. This is a TERRIBLE idea in Rhino's case. Rhino would stay horribly unbalanced, and many Rhino players in the future would be very angry at the fact that they missed the Vanguard Helmet. DE, in the name of balance, please remove the stats from ALL helmets when the time comes. Helmet stats ruined the balance in Rhino, and continue to disrupt other frames. A tank frame as fast as the weak guy is just wrong. Just imagine Heavy running around with Scout in TF2. Its just not right. Edit: inb4 "Fast paced ninja game", "It is in the future in space, anything is possible", or "rhino fstr than me pls nerf" This isn't a nerf thread. This is a plea for balance. dont use the helmet then. not a hard concept. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azureazmuth Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 They are removing the stat helms, retiring them, but if you already had them, you will keep them, with an option to revert to statless. Also, he's a 'Rhino'. Rhino's can run 60mph. It isn't all that far-fetched. ^Agree. real-life rhinos are tanky, vicious, strong and fast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheStag Posted March 23, 2014 Author Share Posted March 23, 2014 They are removing the stat helms, retiring them, but if you already had them, you will keep them, with an option to revert to statless. Also, he's a 'Rhino'. Rhino's can run 60mph. It isn't all that far-fetched. Dude, I am trying to say that all frames should have at least one drawback in the name of balance. With Vanguard, Rhino has none. There is almost no reason to choose any other frame over Rhino if you have that helmet. >.> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
at35z Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 They are removing the stat helms, retiring them, but if you already had them, you will keep them, with an option to revert to statless. However, I don't think anyone would remove the stats from this "Vanguard" helmet, since it makes him OP. And yes, I totally agree with the first poster. Rhino is OP. Frost is now weird, they change him every second week, and Trinity is the poor thing, the last frame they would ever think about (no Immortal skin, no new Ability icons, the current ones are Ctrl+C->Ctrl-V'd from Excalibur and Mag...or... those are copied from Trinity? Anyways, it's not unique sadly), etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrosslyIncandescent1709 Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 ^Agree. real-life rhinos are tanky, vicious, strong and fast and they can stomp so hard that it breaks the time itself... sure. real life animals are not really a strong point when arguing about frame balance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angius Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 Rhino is OP. Frost is now weird, they change him every second week, and Trinity is the poor thing, the last frame they would ever think about (no Immortal skin, no new Ability icons, the current ones are Ctrl+C->Ctrl-V'd from Excalibur and Mag...or... those are copied from Trinity? Anyways, it's not unique sadly), etc. If DE will start giving their "love" to Trinity, you can forget about immortality. IS was nerfed, Snowglobe was nerfed, now it's time for Blessing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
at35z Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 (edited) ^Agree. real-life rhinos are tanky, vicious, strong and fast And fat. Edit: And what about the rhino horn? Why doesn't Rhino have any? Why has Excalibur got Rhino's horn? Edited March 23, 2014 by at35z Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ObviousLee Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 Dude, I am trying to say that all frames should have at least one drawback in the name of balance. With Vanguard, Rhino has none. There is almost no reason to choose any other frame over Rhino if you have that helmet. i have a rhino. i also have the vanguard helm. and i haven't used either in months. what is it with you people always saying "because of this reason there is no reason to use (insert random weapon/frame/power here) because there's no reason to use anything else. know what i use? what ever is fun, and right now i get the most enjoyment out of zephyr, my akstiletto, my obex, and my phage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScorpDK Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 (edited) Dude, I am trying to say that all frames should have at least one drawback in the name of balance. With Vanguard, Rhino has none. There is almost no reason to choose any other frame over Rhino if you have that helmet. >.> Unless you want to use powers for more than just keep enemies suspended in midair or play pincushion for a battalion of troops :) I have both Rhino P and Vanguard Helmet, yet I still play Loki, Zephyr, Vauban, ...and every other frame, depending on what I wanna do for that mission. Edited March 23, 2014 by ScorpDK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
at35z Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 i have a rhino. i also have the vanguard helm. and i haven't used either in months. what is it with you people always saying "because of this reason there is no reason to use (insert random weapon/frame/power here) because there's no reason to use anything else. know what i use? what ever is fun, and right now i get the most enjoyment out of zephyr, my akstiletto, my obex, and my phage. Agree, Phage and Zephyr are soo much fun. <B-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SquirmyBurrito Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 (edited) And here we are, let the whining begin! Rhino is faster than me, he can outrun and kill me... Oh, wait, it's not a PvP game, the speed gives him no advantage over me! Did you just hop in this thread and completely ignore the OP? Seriously. OP is asking for balance. Rhino's one weak point was his speed. Now he can turn that weakness into a STRENGTH (reg rhino=fourth fastest, RhiPri= Tied for fastest). Edited March 23, 2014 by SquirmyBurrito Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrosslyIncandescent1709 Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 Now he can turn that weakness into a STRENGTH (reg rhino=fourth fastest, RhiPri= Tied for fastest). why do you still bother? rhino fanboys don't want to understand that rhino with vanguard was fine but rhino prime with vanguard crossed the line Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawk_of_the_Reborn Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 dont use the helmet then. not a hard concept. That doesn't stop others from being 'noobs' and using it anyway if they still will have the original Vanguard helmet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SquirmyBurrito Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 why do you still bother? rhino fanboys don't want to understand that rhino with vanguard was fine but rhino prime with vanguard crossed the line I don't know. I guess I'm optimistic? lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dairkrinn Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 I'm saying this as a vanguard rhino user too : in my opinion ALL the stat on helmets should go, even the existing ones.Helmets should be an aesthetical choice, nothing else. And especially not a balance breaker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ObviousLee Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 Did you just hop in this thread and completely ignore the OP? Seriously. OP is asking for balance. Rhino's one weak point was his speed. Now he can turn that weakness into a STRENGTH (reg rhino=fourth fastest, RhiPri= Tied for fastest). rhino prime is expensive in one way or another(time investment/monetary investment) so he deserves the might, and with a helm that cost's money or an alert to attain (money/luck) that grants him that speed. i see no issue with this really save for pvp, so wait yea badlands are coming soon so maybe a slight nerf to rhino prime's base speed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrosslyIncandescent1709 Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 rhino prime is expensive in one way or another(time investment/monetary investment) so he deserves the might and ember, exca, frost and mag prime don't deserve anything right? i can tell you why, there's favoritism involved on DEs side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)ELIT3_EXP3RT-01 Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 Yea unfortunately they are removing the stats, might as well remove all cosmetics period too Stag right? Like I said many times unless PvP becomes the new thing in this game why would it matter? This is a PvE game with COOP interface. The speedy Rhino thing is what seems to be ticking the fan base off so to solve your issue maybe replace speed for higher armor to be more in the line of a offensive tanker. Sometimes removing things isnt the solution in this situation, regardless this is my view on the subject. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ObviousLee Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 and ember, exca, frost and mag prime don't deserve anything right? i can tell you why, there's favoritism involved on DEs side. they ALL deserve the might, be it in one form or another. so as i said earlier, maybe a slight nerf to rhino prime's speed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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