ThePresident777 Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 (edited) MAYBE! DE has been known to change their mind, unannounced. Incidentally, Moderators, I'm addressing fellow players, so it's not feedback for DE.In live stream #25, a number of wonderful things were said, but, there were two statements that were particularly good in my opinion.Sadly, I don't remember the first one and haven't found it in the livestream #25 youtube. But, I did find the second statement. Scott(@~23:20)(from Canada writes...Ok, that was just random goofiness from me. I'm so giddy!) states that reworked "rescue requires stealth".YES! Finally, the mission is the solution. I've been harping for months on the fractious nature of player bases and finally something is being done about it. SANDBOX FTW! So, in the future, missions might be more than just "go there, press the button", in 3 flavors. In the future, missions might be all about game play. Just imagine, you might be able to play your favorite play style without interference from other play styles, you might even get coop, even from non-optimal Warframes! So, people who hate AoE spam might in the future get missions where they don't have to put up with it, or even environmental conditions for this problem Edited March 23, 2014 by ThePresident777 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KONAir Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 Nice, an overhaul to a mission type which nobody plays with non-existant gameplay mechanics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verryn Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 So I'm hearing Stealth 1.0 was confirmed. I'm ready to be stealthy without invisibility! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alchemistjkt Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 i fail to see how you get "sand box" out of "you will be forced to use stealth". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cro-dog Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 de: gee, what do gamers like more than escort missions? hey, i know! forced stealth! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimJam_ Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 Nice, an overhaul to a mission type which nobody plays with non-existant gameplay mechanics. It's still a nice change. Personally I'm looking forward to the new mission and expansion of stealth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
semangka Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 STEALTH YES FINALLY WHAT I HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR, I AM READY TO GET MY TRUE NINJA ON, YA FIRST MOSES NOW THIS (quote from trading place ;)). MERICA STEALTH!!! i cant explain my joy if this is true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnat6 Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 de: gee, what do gamers like more than escort missions? hey, i know! forced stealth! There is nothing like combining the 2 most hated mission types into 1 mission DE is certainly keeping the extreme in Digital Extremes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
semangka Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 de: gee, what do gamers like more than escort missions? hey, i know! forced stealth! if i remeber it says ninjas play free, you dont like stealth, well what did you expect you signed up for a ninja game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhisperByte Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 (edited) I would be ok with this except the current stealth is frustrating (to me) due to enemy spawning so it feels like DE are putting a cart before the horse when they are trying to force stealth while our stealth tools are very basic... Edited March 23, 2014 by WhisperByte Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verryn Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 (edited) if i remeber it says ninjas play free, you dont like stealth, well what did you expect you signed up for a ninja game I'm not sure if you've noticed but most of us are mercenaries. There is a real lack of ninjas, thought I do wish we had more options around there. btw, you're lacking some flame repellent OP. I would give you some but I don't use it. Edited March 23, 2014 by Verryn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kinperor Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 I have to be bluntly honest, I despise the idea of having more stealth in the game. It's asking for a completely different game from DE, inside the current one, one that is vastly different from the one I grew to like. It's not something I want, really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawk_of_the_Reborn Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 (edited) I have to be bluntly honest, I despise the idea of having more stealth in the game. It's asking for a completely different game from DE, inside the current one, one that is vastly different from the one I grew to like. It's not something I want, really. Then why are you playing a game in which the premise was "NINJAS IN SPACE"? Dude, this isn't a ninja Ninjas, throughout history, were assassins or even mercenaries(just like the Tenno seem to be right now) that mastered the arts of not only stealth, but misdirection and elusiveness. I know this is a game, but when you think of the word 'ninja' tell us all what comes to mind first, and be honest. Edited March 23, 2014 by HawktheHeavy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kinperor Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 Then why are you playing a game in which the premise was "NINJAS IN SPACE"? Dude, this isn't a ninja Ninjas, throughout history, were assassins or even mercenaries(just like the Tenno seem to be right now) that mastered the arts of not only stealth, but misdirection and elusiveness. I know this is a game, but when you think of the word 'ninja' tell us all what comes to mind first, and be honest. I don't know, maybe because that's just the meta-premise? If I quote the "story" page of the official website: "They were called Tenno. Warriors of blade and gun: masters of the Warframe armor. Those that survived the old war were left drifting among the ruins. Now they are needed once more." Oh jee. Not a single mention of ninja in there (or stealth for that matter). When I hear ninja, I think about Ninja Gaiden because of the name (I never actually played Ninja Gaiden), and then I think about how Ninjas were mercenaries and focus on the "mercenary" part while disregarding the romanced "shadow assassin" non-sense. I can't remember one instance in my 900 hours of playing the game that I thought "Oh gee, this shooter would be very much improved by completely slowing down the action to a crawl in order to be stealthy". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seraiya.Gier Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 Then why are you playing a game in which the premise was "NINJAS IN SPACE"? Dude, this isn't a ninja Ninjas, throughout history, were assassins or even mercenaries(just like the Tenno seem to be right now) that mastered the arts of not only stealth, but misdirection and elusiveness. I know this is a game, but when you think of the word 'ninja' tell us all what comes to mind first, and be honest. Ryu Hayabusa from Ninja Gaiden. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnat6 Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 Then why are you playing a game in which the premise was "NINJAS IN SPACE"? So far warframe has had nothing to do with ninjas and its not like adding 1 stealth mission to the game will change that. Its not like stealth has anything to do with ninjas in the first place considering stealth is just about as old as sentient life. And for the record I have no problem with stealth missions if they are done right its just that badly made stealth missions are the most painful mission type ever made and warframe in its current state cannot support a proper stealth mission. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morec0 Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 I'm not sure if you've noticed but most of us are mercenaries. There is a real lack of ninjas, thought I do wish we had more options around there. There is a lack of ninjas because they're been failing to put emphasis on it. They're altering that. I'm all for it. Ryu Hayabusa from Ninja Gaiden. He's fictional, the guy's citing historical. DE could lean towards either, but it seems to me from these latest changes that they're looking to add more of the historical and less of the pop-culture interpretation - although the pop-culture interpretation will still be there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawk_of_the_Reborn Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 I don't know, maybe because that's just the meta-premise? If I quote the "story" page of the official website: "They were called Tenno. Warriors of blade and gun: masters of the Warframe armor. Those that survived the old war were left drifting among the ruins. Now they are needed once more." Oh jee. Not a single mention of ninja in there (or stealth for that matter). When I hear ninja, I think about Ninja Gaiden because of the name (I never actually played Ninja Gaiden), and then I think about how Ninjas were mercenaries and focus on the "mercenary" part while disregarding the romanced "shadow assassin" non-sense. I can't remember one instance in my 900 hours of playing the game that I thought "Oh gee, this shooter would be very much improved by completely slowing down the action to a crawl in order to be stealthy". I also stated that, indirectly, stealth is not a primary means of shinobi to carry out their actions. "...that mastered the arts of not only stealth, but misdirection and elusiveness." Some of our frames take advantage of elusiveness Loki; invisibility, decoy, switch teleport. Ash; smoke screen, teleport. Zephyr, due to her 'flight' abilites giving her dramatically increased control for high ground advantages Maybe even Saryn with her shed skin Some even are good with misdirection Loki; same thing. Nyx; her whole mind control theme like chaos and her 1 ability. No matter what you say, all frames can and/or will be associated with the historical association of ninjas. As I had said before, this is a game. But just because it's a game, it does not render the concepts behind Warframe irrelevant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cro-dog Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 the garbage attempts at stealth mechanics in this game are more than enough to render it irrelevent regardless of whatever meaningless blurb of napkin-written lore exists somewhere on the front page Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePresident777 Posted March 23, 2014 Author Share Posted March 23, 2014 i fail to see how you get "sand box" out of "you will be forced to use stealth". If you use not-stealth, you lose. It's the Stealth Sandbox. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lqn8r Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 We can still stealth with the ogris right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePresident777 Posted March 23, 2014 Author Share Posted March 23, 2014 (edited) de: gee, what do gamers like more than escort missions? hey, i know! forced stealth! If you don't like Stealth, then you don't play it. It's that simple. You might have to do a few to unlock the solar map. That's not much to ask. You're not losing anything here. Edited March 23, 2014 by ThePresident777 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aa3123 Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 So, people who hate AoE spam might in the future get missions where they don't have to put up with it, or even environmental conditions for this problem I loled. Aoe kills everything, stealth accomplished. Pull, Mprime and stomp doesn't kill high levels? They are now slowed or stunned that they can't activate consoles. Looks like it's promoting press 4 to win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eggzodiya Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 -snip- I know this is a game, but when you think of the word 'ninja' tell us all what comes to mind first, and be honest. Ninja... stealing loot! Damn ninjas! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePresident777 Posted March 23, 2014 Author Share Posted March 23, 2014 I would be ok with this except the current stealth is frustrating (to me) due to enemy spawning so it feels like DE are putting a cart before the horse when they are trying to force stealth while our stealth tools are very basic... It's a first step to revamping the stealth tools. You can't do that without a stealth sandbox first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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