DJ-7809 Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 (edited) Alright everyone. So Trading chat is a great solution to the WarFarm dilemma. More or less. While I can understand the prices of most MODs, I feel that Primes have just gone right off a cliff. Prime Warframe + Weapons are supposed to be the most rare, and are certainly the most powerful, remains of the Orokin civilization. These rare weapons are not-so-rare anymore. I have bought a Bronco Prime for 25 Plat. A Sicarus for 20. Ember Prime full set is worth what, 40 plat now? Probably less? Rhino Prime Systems are very plentiful, so I'd understand it having a lower price than the rest of his pieces but....5 plat? Really people? The most rare and powerful weapons are going for 1/10th as much as their NORMAL counterparts. The normal Sicarus was a pain to rank up and I didn't keep it long. My Sicarus Prime is doing 900-2k per burst. This is an obvious improvement, why do they cost a fraction of the normal weapon? I know why. People are getting desperate. Trading has opened up a new market, and that's great. But now Primes are plentiful. No one wants to buy a Braton Prime blueprint anymore. So people are then forced to offer it for less and less and less platinum until it's just worth nothing. (just an example) but I mean....does this sound right? The rarest technology, the most powerful, is worth the least. This doesn't make any sense. The Solution? I'm not sure if there is one yet. I do have a theory however, and I would like to hear yours too. What about a Trading Council? Or an in-game UI mechanic to force there to be a minimum amount of Platinum for trades. This wouldn't break the game, would it? It would give guidelines to how much should be paid. If you set the UI to prevent Rhino Prime Sys > Platinum trades to 20p, then there would be no choice to either farm the rare piece, or buy it for 20p. Having set prices would definately balance the economy. On the MOD side of things, I received an offer for 100p for a MAXED Redirection. MAXED I TELL YOU! This is ridiculous. People are so desperate to sell, a mod once worth 325 is now worth 1/3 of that. Was it the Legendary Cores? Nahhhh. That was the excuse ChaoticVice777 gave me. This isn't right. We cant' just have these valuable things go for these horrendous prices. What do you think of my solution? Have a better one? Does this even need a solution, or just new mods to make everyone crazy about them? I have no idea. Edited March 24, 2014 by DJ-7809 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaydewalker Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 It's because most of the sellers have no use for it and have credits to burn on gaining plat, doesn't matter to them as long as there's profit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MIRROR_ell Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 (edited) It's pretty much basic economics? Low demand with high supply would trigger a drop in prices; that's just how the free market works. Now, if a Trading Council was implemented and they were able to monopolize the prices of the parts, it will definitely cause grief with players(have to elaborate on this). Also, putting a gate on reality for the sake of immersion isn't all that advisable. Edited March 24, 2014 by MIRROR_ell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordMidnightX Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 the legendary cores were part of it but another thing is pro players with tons of credits, resources,cores and old prime parts quickly realized they could make plat with trading. So a lot of people flooded the market essentially and therefore more supply then the demand which means prices drop. I would like some kind of trading place where you can post what you have and a price then people can buy it. it works fine in other games and this way you could look at what others are selling stuff for, and you would not have to be on spamming WTS in hopes that the person who might want to buy what you have is on and looking at the trading chat for the 5 seconds that your message is there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ-7809 Posted March 24, 2014 Author Share Posted March 24, 2014 I think the whole "supply and demand" thing shouldn't apply to Primes. I understand MODs, but not Primes. I think just a slight bump in prices would just help. I mean, selling things for this cheap? It hurts all of our economics. If it was just a general rule of "OK so Ember Prime blueprint is worth 20 plat. If I want to buy that one, I have to pay 20 plat." Then EVERYONE would profit more!! The people selling would be able to sell for a bit more, and, in turn, buy things for more. Increasing the flow of Platinum. I think that a requirement should be necessary. LordMidnightX, I agree with your theory. TF2 does the same thing, can't we just have a "Market" tab open up? leave our parts up there like Craigslist until someone wants to buy them? This is a great solution. As long as there is a minimum price requirement, because otherwise, things would take a harder drop in price than ever before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenrisulfr Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 Abso@(*()$lutely no. It is natural course of everything to lose its value over time, we don't need artificial micromanaged price inflation just because you want to pull more money out of other people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ-7809 Posted March 24, 2014 Author Share Posted March 24, 2014 I don't want to pull more money out of people. I think it's not fair to be ripped off by being offered 100p for a mod that's usually worth 3x as much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ-7809 Posted March 24, 2014 Author Share Posted March 24, 2014 I"m trying to calmly look for a solution to this, not start a flame war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topfoxrider Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 (edited) ABSOLUTELY NOT!!! Are you a COMMUNIST bro? Why are you trying to control the prices and not let the economy regulate itself by itself? That's the worst thing you can do. You want to know what would happen if an idiot at DE took your suggestion seriously? I'll tell you what will happen. Lets say DE makes your wet dream come true and jacks up the prices for "rare" mods and primes by 3x the original amount. Now a lot of buyers will shy away from buying these parts for plat. $5 and less is a sensible amount to throw at a game time to time but $15 is not. The only type of people who would buy for that type of price are the extremely impatient and their numbers, i assure you is not big. Now that less people are buying with plat, sellers will have less reason to farm for them. Why grind for needless hours if no one will buy? Now everyone loses. Buyers don't get their mods and/or primes, Sellers dont get their plat. TERRIBLE IDEA!!! Edited March 24, 2014 by topfoxrider Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Methanoid Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 the annoying thing is no1 mentions prices up front, its all "whats your offer" which tbh i cant be arsed with. WTB: proper auction house so i can just slap on some sales and forget about it instead of wasting time bartering and reading floods of text spam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xethier Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 wait. that's the solution. already prime prices are creeping back up a bit. every time the void drop tables are changed, the frequency of various parts also change. i.e. what drops frequently today, might be rare-as-hell tomorrow. mod prices aren't that crazy in the larger scheme. 5-15p for unranked mods, ~100 for c10, ~200 or so for u10s and 250+ for r10's isn't all that crazy. we're still seeing the reserve stock if items being sold from the year or so of accumulation. and to Methanoid: i don't actually bother with people who want to haggle to death. i'll simply walk away from a trade like this. or (if i am selling) i say very clearly (non-negotiable prices) that will solve 99% of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
123Olympian Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 I see no problem. It really assisted me within getting the Rhino Prime parts. Sell the new, trade off the old for new. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MIRROR_ell Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 (edited) I think the whole "supply and demand" thing shouldn't apply to Primes. I understand MODs, but not Primes. I think just a slight bump in prices would just help. I mean, selling things for this cheap? It hurts all of our economics. If it was just a general rule of "OK so Ember Prime blueprint is worth 20 plat. If I want to buy that one, I have to pay 20 plat." Then EVERYONE would profit more!! The people selling would be able to sell for a bit more, and, in turn, buy things for more. Increasing the flow of Platinum. I think that a requirement should be necessary. LordMidnightX, I agree with your theory. TF2 does the same thing, can't we just have a "Market" tab open up? leave our parts up there like Craigslist until someone wants to buy them? This is a great solution. As long as there is a minimum price requirement, because otherwise, things would take a harder drop in price than ever before. Why not Primes? What's their difference with mods in any aspect? That they're supposedly "rare tech" and should be hard to acquire? IF they wanted it to be that way, they should have time/skill-gated Primes AND disabled trading them., instead of having it RNG-gated. Frankly, I'm just reading that you're hurt about having someone PMing you, trying to buy your capped Redi for 100 plat. EDIT: Also, your solution assumes that people have the minimum requirement of plat to trade with. Reality-wise, that isn't always the case, and people who tend to sell the items for less usually mean they have a lot of x to spare or they are in need of the plat. Now, if you placed a minimum price on items people want to sell, you'd end up only slowing the flow of platinum as 1) supply is still high and non-competitive prices means no one can sell less than this set price, 2) buyers may not want to buy items listed for even the minimum price as they do not see it worth it at that price, especially if they have a large number of options to buy from, and 3) minimum price may not be met due to insufficient amount of plat. Edited March 24, 2014 by MIRROR_ell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Methanoid Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 wait. that's the solution. already prime prices are creeping back up a bit. every time the void drop tables are changed, the frequency of various parts also change. i.e. what drops frequently today, might be rare-as-hell tomorrow. mod prices aren't that crazy in the larger scheme. 5-15p for unranked mods, ~100 for c10, ~200 or so for u10s and 250+ for r10's isn't all that crazy. we're still seeing the reserve stock if items being sold from the year or so of accumulation. and to Methanoid: i don't actually bother with people who want to haggle to death. i'll simply walk away from a trade like this. or (if i am selling) i say very clearly (non-negotiable prices) that will solve 99% of that. fair play, my only other gripe i forgot to include is the fact that when you have so much stuff you cant really list them all without a wall of spam, and its rare ive had a reply when im forced to use phrases like "all/most NM mods", "all/most corrupt mods", or other vague and all encompasing descriptions, which further enforces my belief of just automating it all, saving us all heaps of time and effort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KIREEK Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 I trade/give stuff for the amount of plat/ammo drums i want, don't need a council to make decisions for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark5eiD Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 i find that the prices change hour to hour. in one hour i saw akbronco prime link 10. 60 and 95p. i saw malignant force 60,100,200...and 350p lol. my suggestion is with how the current tradding is working your best bet is to wait it out until you get an offer for your redirection that you are willing to accept. there is no control on a free trade, there are good reasons for items to both be cheap and expensive. that being said i have not ever heard of a full redirection being anywhere as low as 100p...that is really cheap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ-7809 Posted March 24, 2014 Author Share Posted March 24, 2014 Now now, there is some insane accusations going on about me here. This is just a thread for a few ideas. I just don't think most prices are very fair. I'm not saying I"m a communist and I should control the prices of everything, I'm saying there should be a MINIMUM price for stuff. Selling Prime Components for 1 p each? It just doesn't seem right. Having some minimum requirement, or a trade Council where people can VOTE on the minimum prices or something like that doesn't sound like too rash of a solution. I think something similar to TF2 would be helpful, i.e. Put up your little post on the "Market" and if someone wants to buy it, they can buy it whenever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killist Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 What about people who give away free mods and prime parts to the needy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ-7809 Posted March 24, 2014 Author Share Posted March 24, 2014 That would be perfectly fine. When you put Platinum in the Trading, it would limit the amounts possible depending on what piece your trading partner had in his slot. You could still give to the needy, but they can't give you plat in return. This may be a stupid theory or whatever, but I'm just trying to have a few people generate ideas for hwo to keep the Warframe market STABLE! It rises and drops more often than a nerdy virgin's weiner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D3ST Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 I would like some kind of trading place where you can post what you have and a price then people can buy it. it works fine in other games and this way you could look at what others are selling stuff for, and you would not have to be on spamming WTS in hopes that the person who might want to buy what you have is on and looking at the trading chat for the 5 seconds that your message is there. So much this. the current system of having to post, every 2 mins and keep watching the trade channel like a hawk, is silly and old-fashioned.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ-7809 Posted March 24, 2014 Author Share Posted March 24, 2014 I agree with having a TF2-similar Steam-like marketplace. Put up something for trade or better yet, AUCTION!!!! Imagine if you put up an item, and the people that want them BID to get it!! That would completely fix this whole problem!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Methanoid Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 What about people who give away free mods and prime parts to the needy? you would still retain your trade channel and you'd still have your dojo trading post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Methanoid Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 i find that the prices change hour to hour. in one hour i saw akbronco prime link 10. 60 and 95p. i saw malignant force 60,100,200...and 350p lol. my suggestion is with how the current tradding is working your best bet is to wait it out until you get an offer for your redirection that you are willing to accept. there is no control on a free trade, there are good reasons for items to both be cheap and expensive. that being said i have not ever heard of a full redirection being anywhere as low as 100p...that is really cheap they fluctuate because there is no fixed medium or standard, again an auction house would most likely fix this, a lot would go out of their way to either go for the standard/average or undercut to get a quick sale, either way youd have all the figures in front of you to decide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ-7809 Posted March 24, 2014 Author Share Posted March 24, 2014 I'm going to have ot agree with Methanoid. The Auction house would fix EVERYTHING wrong with Trading. You could bid on items you wanted, adding another game feature along with the fix to the "post every 2 minutes in hope someone desperate will /w you" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topfoxrider Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 (edited) I dont get it. Is the problem that the prices are too low? Or is it that there's no standard? Your original post seemed to suggest that the former was your concern and again, nothing should be done to set a minimum. It would hurt both buyers and sellers. If the latter was your concern, then sorry to burst your bubble but neither an auction house nor the steam market stabilize prices. Even things like the tour of duty ticket, which you would speculate to remain stable at the $1 mark fluctuated a lot in its history. Clicking the pricing history links on auction websites such as tf2bp should also prove that auctions do not stabilize prices to a rock solid standard. EDIT: I'd also like to point out I would like to see something like the steam community market in the future but for convenience only Edited March 24, 2014 by topfoxrider Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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