Brozime Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 It's really simple actually 1 Slot for cosmetics on helmets 1 Slot in a helmet for a trade-off card or upgrade of some sort or even an entirely different slot just called trade-off with the helmet effects inside. This solution has no downsides besides that we'd be skipping the current solution of making everyone's beta boner bigger and ruining part of the game for newbies. I understand that the devs made a mistake giving the helmets stats in the first place but creating an even bigger divide in power between new and old players is a bad idea. It would be healthier overall for the two traits of the helmets to split and then for the blatantly overpowered trade-offs (Vanguard, Phoenix, Pendragon, Aurora, etc.) to be balanced since they'd no longer be in direct conflict with something you buy with platinum while also letting all the frames benefit from having these trade-offs. I don't see how anyone could be unhappy with it if it was done this way outside of just wanting to be "better" than the people that will come to the game after them. On a side note this solution of letting us keep the stat helmets still gives me no incentive to wear the Thrak helmet I love so much when Vanguard is the obvious choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow977 Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 I have better suggestion remove helmet stats entirely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brozime Posted March 25, 2014 Author Share Posted March 25, 2014 I have better suggestion remove helmet stats entirely. That's not a better suggestion thats disappointing all the people that just wanted the stats on the helmets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kubbi Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 I never understood the rage of the helms with or without stats. The stats are small and barely make a difference. I don't get what the big deal is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LynxZ4r0Z Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 ^ i agreed with this guy..iv been using the stat helms and they even barely make any difference at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoodyNynja Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 (edited) Perhaps give the stats on the helmets an on/off toggle so the player can decide? Seems the simplest of all... Edited March 25, 2014 by HoodyNynja Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bejuizb Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 I never understood the rage of the helms with or without stats. The stats are small and barely make a difference. I don't get what the big deal is. This is the Warframe communtiy you're talking about. Anything that changes deserves thousands of butthurt threads. No one adapts thier playstyle to the changes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ritchel Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 just make the players decide on stats for their helmets everyone's happy . removing it - well, expect the future people to complain "why my helmets has no stats" threads Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brozime Posted March 25, 2014 Author Share Posted March 25, 2014 I never understood the rage of the helms with or without stats. The stats are small and barely make a difference. I don't get what the big deal is. Pendragon 15% power strength -5% armor Aurora 25% armor -5% health Aura 25% duration -5% health The list goes on and on almost all of them are fairly significant and these are just some decent ones Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phoenix86 Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 Separating stats from aestethic is asked since the first introduction of the first wave of helmets 2.0 but DE refuse to do it and dont even give an answer about it. what a shame, they just need to add a line in the UI and it would be done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brozime Posted March 25, 2014 Author Share Posted March 25, 2014 Perhaps give the stats on the helmets an on/off toggle so the player can decide? Seems the simplest of all... Having a toggle still means you'd choose the one with the good stats to toggle on which only solves the problem on helmets you don't like the stats of Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brozime Posted March 25, 2014 Author Share Posted March 25, 2014 just make the players decide on stats for their helmets everyone's happy . removing it - well, expect the future people to complain "why my helmets has no stats" threads Exactly we need to be able to choose separately from the cosmetics what the helmets do for us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meIody- Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 I never understood the rage of the helms with or without stats. The stats are small and barely make a difference. I don't get what the big deal is. Aura Trinity and Vanguard rhino would like to have a quick word. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renathy Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 Separating stats from aestethic is asked since the first introduction of the first wave of helmets 2.0 but DE refuse to do it and dont even give an answer about it. what a shame, they just need to add a line in the UI and it would be done. They mentioned it in the livestream that they would definitely bring statless helmets now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsukinoki Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 I've never seen forums have this many butthurt threads over legacy items. People act like WF is the first game to do it when PoE has quite a few legacy items that work in a similar way. PoE nerfed a few items and let the people that already had them keep the un-nerfed item while any new players get the nerfed version. Sure there was a stink raised on the PoE forums but it was no where near as bad as what is being raised here about the stated helmets. Even when they did it to Silverbranch or Kaom's heart...this forum just gets ridiculous. @OP I do agree that that would be a better option, and hopefully DE will listen. Though either way the rage should die down fast enough... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brozime Posted March 25, 2014 Author Share Posted March 25, 2014 I've never seen forums have this many butthurt threads over legacy items. People act like WF is the first game to do it when PoE has quite a few legacy items that work in a similar way. PoE nerfed a few items and let the people that already had them keep the un-nerfed item while any new players get the nerfed version. Sure there was a stink raised on the PoE forums but it was no where near as bad as what is being raised here about the stated helmets. Even when they did it to Silverbranch or Kaom's heart...this forum just gets ridiculous. @OP I do agree that that would be a better option, and hopefully DE will listen. Though either way the rage should die down fast enough... I'm not particularly mad about the change because no matter what happens I'll still have the helmets with stats but I think the community as a whole does/should want it to be handled in a better way where everyone can be ok with the decision. Besides if we don't tell them something could be handled better they may never know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LynxZ4r0Z Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 Aura Trinity and Vanguard rhino would like to have a quick word. okay...trinity and rhino are the only 2 who have differences but the rest dont even shine out...i mean like some shield reduction helm (takes off about 30-40 shield?) ppl dont even see the diference ;o or do they e.e? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsukinoki Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 @Brozime I completely agree with that. Its just the pure amount of rage threads that aren't suggesting anything and just complaining gets to be rather tiresome. And I do agree that it's important to make our voices heard and I'm glad you're doing it in a constructive way. Sadly most of the threads here aren't and I was just commenting on them... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark5eiD Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 why not make every helmet come with no stats... and then players can upgrade which ever helmet they want for 10p or whatever price. so for example if you had a frost you simply choose the squal helmet that comes with no stats. than if you want you can pay the 10p to add either armor or power buff to it. once each power is purchased per warframe you can toggle between the power buffs to assign which ever you please. or completely leave them statless...for whatever reason... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brozime Posted March 25, 2014 Author Share Posted March 25, 2014 okay...trinity and rhino are the only 2 who have differences but the rest dont even shine out...i mean like some shield reduction helm (takes off about 30-40 shield?) ppl dont even see the diference ;o or do they e.e? I'd argue that Loki's Essence helmet or Nyx's Vespa helmet have an even greater effect than those two. In combination with cards the effects of many helmets can make or break entire builds. Even Volt's helmets have significant differences for how he's used and he's widely considered to be one of the worst frames even though I personally don't think so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brozime Posted March 25, 2014 Author Share Posted March 25, 2014 why not make every helmet come with no stats... and then players can upgrade which ever helmet they want for 10p or whatever price. so for example if you had a frost you simply choose the squal helmet that comes with no stats. than if you want you can pay the 10p to add either armor or power buff to it. once each power is purchased per warframe you can toggle between the power buffs to assign which ever you please. or completely leave them statless...for whatever reason... The problem with that suggestion is that then it means you can buy an amount of raw power with real cash which is frowned upon heavily by many players. If we were able to buy the helmets and then have a choice between farming the thing that gives it stats or buying it that'd be fine but simply leaving it in the shop simply wouldn't do since it goes against how they've done things so far(They've been quite player friendly in terms of any way to purchase power). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kartumterek Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 DE already said how they are going to handle it. Its over. Deal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meIody- Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 okay...trinity and rhino are the only 2 who have differences but the rest dont even shine out...i mean like some shield reduction helm (takes off about 30-40 shield?) ppl dont even see the diference ;o or do they e.e? Spartan Helmet Nyx? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brozime Posted March 25, 2014 Author Share Posted March 25, 2014 DE already said how they are going to handle it. Its over. Deal Or the community could be mad and they can do it another better way just taking everything the devs say as final isn't a good way to handle it. What if they decided tomorrow that being able to buy blueprints with credits is a bad idea and change everything to platinum would you simply "deal"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark5eiD Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 The problem with that suggestion is that then it means you can buy an amount of raw power with real cash which is frowned upon heavily by many players. If we were able to buy the helmets and then have a choice between farming the thing that gives it stats or buying it that'd be fine but simply leaving it in the shop simply wouldn't do since it goes against how they've done things so far(They've been quite player friendly in terms of any way to purchase power). they have been selling stat helmets for 75p...so they are already have been doing it. but they do have alerts for helmets. simply have alerts for the powers.. simple solutions.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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