Valkyr Prime

[Luzzu]

Hey everyone, I've been thinking on a future rendition of a Prime version of the Valkyr, and the implications it would have on her lore. Taken straight from the codex: "Forged in the labs of the Zanuka project, the original Valkyr was subject to cruel experiments leaving her scarred, angry and frighteningly adept at killing." The wording here suggests to me that there was a Valkyr among the Tenno ranks before Alad V got his/her hands on the Valkyr's frame, which leaves an opportunity to create a Valkyr Prime in the future, likely without any Corpus tech on her and maybe (to further fit the lore) different abilities.

 

I don't know if it's possible or not, but even if it isn't, I'd like to see some theories or ideas just for fun. If this has already been posted or confirmed or denied or whatever, please go easy on me, I don't know these things.

 

 

[bejuizb]

This is kinda "wat" inducing to me. Salad V took ONE Valkyr and changed her, or did the egotistical, Zanuka hugging arse steal only every single Valkyr out there and screw it up?

 

EDIT: I can't bother about grammar or coherence right now. I'm typing this while running in the gym on my phone.

Edited March 25, 2014 by bejuizb

[Casardis]

IIRC, DE said themselves that the boxes around Valkyr's arms are what produces the claws during Hysteria. Therefore, a Valkyr Prime, who wouldn't have those boxes, shouldn't be able to use Hysteria this way.

Additionally, her anger which manifests itself into her current powers wouldn't make as much sense for the Prime version. They would have to modify the way the powers work themselves (different effects/skins?) for it to actually work, lore wise.

I doubt they would give new unique moves so that's the only solution I can think of right now.
 

This is kinda "wat" inducing to me. Salad V took ONE Valkyr and changed her, or did the egotistical, Zanuka hugging arse steal only every single Valkyr out there and screw it up?

That's the thing right here. The codex entries and stuff suggest that this Valkyr, who's been subject to experiment, is the only Valkyr who went through this. Therefore, she's the first present-time Tenno in official lore who's confirmed to be a single individual (as opposed to how there are many Excaliburs, there may be only one Corpus-Valkyr).

As for why there are other Valkyr running around, it's possible that the Tenno, after rescuing Valkyr, reversed engineered the Warframe (bunch of sickos!) so that other Valkyr-types can use the same variants of the powers, though that in itself feels strange.

Or it could just be for gameplay purposes.

Edited March 25, 2014 by Casardis

[Lord-Taco-the-Great]

IIRC, DE said themselves that the boxes around Valkyr's arms are what produces the claws during Hysteria. Therefore, a Valkyr Prime, who wouldn't have those boxes, shouldn't be able to use Hysteria this way.

 

Additionally, her anger which manifests itself into her current powers wouldn't make as much sense for the Prime version. They would have to modify the way the powers work themselves (different effects/skins?) for it to actually work, lore wise.

 

I doub they would give new unique moves so that's the only solution I can think of right now.

 

 

"The original Valkyr was subject to cruel experiments leaving her scarred, angry and frighteningly adept at killing."

 

"Before Alad V got his/her hands on the Valkyr's frame"

[Yefrign]

IF Valkyr was created (aka became what she is) FROM the Zankuna project then yes a prime most likely doesn't exist. but that doesnt mean that there can't be some other kind of version that would be a Prime 'equivalent' perhaps this 'prime' version would have more prototype Corpus tech implemented in her or something? 

[(PSN)natek_morzy]

This would be new, weird, interesting and creative. I hope they eventually do something with Valkyr.

[ultra_KING]

Valkyr prime won't happen for a long time older warframes get a prime version first, Valkyr is one of the newest.

[Luzzu]

IIRC, DE said themselves that the boxes around Valkyr's arms are what produces the claws during Hysteria. Therefore, a Valkyr Prime, who wouldn't have those boxes, shouldn't be able to use Hysteria this way.

 

Additionally, her anger which manifests itself into her current powers wouldn't make as much sense for the Prime version. They would have to modify the way the powers work themselves (different effects/skins?) for it to actually work, lore wise.

 

I doub they would give new unique moves so that's the only solution I can think of right now.

I actually said this nearly word-for-word to my friend just now. I'm not sure if her Rip Line extends from the gauntlets, but you are right, they do produce the claws used during Hysteria and you're spot-on about the rage she gained from being experimented on. I'm just trying to brainstorm here and think of a viable way to make the Valkyr Prime.

 

To be honest, I think for a "Prime" version of the Valkyr, it would have to be treated as a totally different frame. It would be interesting to come up with something for it. I think Warcry and Paralysis are the only abilities she has that could still be used with a Prime version.

[Casardis]

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Not sure what your quote was meant to show. That's exactly what I'm talking about.

 

- There were Valkyrs once

- One Valkyr got captured and experimented on

- That one Valkyr became the raged-filled Valkyr we see today, giving her the berserker-inspired abilities including her claws, all of which are products of the experiment.

 

What it suggests:

- Only one Valkyr has become the one we know today

- Original Valkyrs may have different powers, though related to the current one

- Valkyr Prime would have the powers from the Original Valkyrs, not the Corpus-experimented Valkyr filled with rage and claws, therefore wouldn't make sense lore-wise to have the exact same powers unless there's at least a visual difference.

Edited March 25, 2014 by Casardis

[Luzzu]

IF Valkyr was created (aka became what she is) FROM the Zankuna project then yes a prime most likely doesn't exist. but that doesnt mean that there can't be some other kind of version that would be a Prime 'equivalent' perhaps this 'prime' version would have more prototype Corpus tech implemented in her or something? 

Yes, sorry, I should have clarified a little more. I only say Valkyr Prime because there isn't a term for what her "Prime" equivalent would be. It would essentially be the original Valkyr as she was before Alad V tortured her and experimented on her, so she wouldn't use any Corpus tech. This is why it poses a difficult situation, because some of her abilities utilize the Corpus tech and for a "Prime" version of her, they may have to be altered for it to fit.

 

Valkyr prime won't happen for a long time older warframes get a prime version first, Valkyr is one of the newest.

I haven't played in awhile, but I'm not new :P. I've just gotten into her recently and was thinking of how a "Prime" or original Valkyr would work. It's definitely not as straight forward as making the other Primes.

[mrecentric]

This presents an interesting lore opportunity. It could be one of the first frames that goes in the opposite direction. A prime version of Valkyr could be an existing valkyr modified with orokin technology.

[Orbister]

Valkyr prime will have golden parts! : D (do not expect much else, besides a new helmet off course)

[ViLeDeth]

Valkyr prime won't happen for a long time older warframes get a prime version first, Valkyr is one of the newest.

How about reading the thread... damn people are stupid.

Edited March 25, 2014 by ViLeDeth

[immolator1001]

DE has confirmed that Valkyr prime is possible and will look very different.

Edited March 25, 2014 by immolator1001

[Luzzu]

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I like the argument you're making, but I'm just confused on one point. Are there multiples of one specific frame? You say "there were Valkyrs once," I just thought there was only ever one Valkyr, or one Frost or Nyx, etc.

[Virt]

To be honest, Valkyr was a Warframe forged in Alad's labs. So if DE is nuts enough, we're likely to see Valkyr Vandal.

[GraalOhOtonami]

There's nothing to say that the original Valkyr wasn't extremely angry or a berzerker anyway.

And the boxes on her arms may be attempts to replicate the Orokin equivalents.

[Luzzu]

There's nothing to say that the original Valkyr wasn't extremely angry or a berzerker anyway.

And the boxes on her arms may be attempts to replicate the Orokin equivalents.

I read somewhere, probably on the wiki lol, that she was something of a berserker frame to begin with, which makes sense because why would she be one now if she wasn't anything like that before the experiments. But you raise a very good point, I didn't even think that the Corpus could be trying to replicate an Orokin equivalent of her gauntlets. This seems to remove the aesthetic constraints posed by the Corpus tech on her armor, but there is still the matter of figuring out how Hysteria would work on a "Prime" or original Valkyr if the original Valkyr didn't have all that rage and hate to channel.

[VKhaun]

DE has confirmed that Valkyr prime is possible and will look very different.

[Citation Needed]

[-Pearl-]

This presents an interesting lore opportunity. It could be one of the first frames that goes in the opposite direction. A prime version of Valkyr could be an existing valkyr modified with orokin technology.

 

This right here.

 

With Valkyr Prime, we can take a nod from the Seer, a pistol that was augmented with Orokin Tech. What if the Tenno did the same to Valkyr Prime via that Tenno Lab-thing we have in our Dojos to make the first modern prime?

 

What if the Valkyr was captured by the Neural Sentry and she was augmented like the corrupted and when the Tenno rescued her and undid the Neural Sentry's tech she retained the Prime look? While it's a long shot, they could make the lore work.

[Kartumterek]

She will get Vandalized not Primed.... her ORIGINAL form (the green) will get released and we will have the before and after torture versions

[Luzzu]

She will get Vandalized not Primed.... her ORIGINAL form (the green) will get released and we will have the before and after torture versions

I was led to believe Vandal weapons were weapons that the Tenno repurposed to fit their own needs and preferences. To 'Vandalize' the Valkyr would imply that the tortured Valkyr was repurposed to become the Valkyr Vandal but what I think we're all looking to see here is the original Valkyr. Not the tortured one, not a Valkyr Vandal, and perhaps not even a Valkyr Prime, but the original one before she was taken by Alad V.

[seren77]

We can feasibly have a vandal and a prime version. All we know is she always was a cat based frame.

 

About her unmodified bastet helm

 

•  Bastet is the ancient Egyptian goddess of cats, Lower Egypt, the sun and the moon, home and the joy of living, she was a woman with a cat head.

[Morec0]

As for why there are other Valkyr running around, it's possible that the Tenno, after rescuing Valkyr, reversed engineered the Warframe (bunch of sickos!) so that other Valkyr-types can use the same variants of the powers, though that in itself feels strange.

Or it could just be for gameplay purposes.

 

My thought is that the rest of the frames that Valkyr USED to be (and I'm working off of the assumption that Valkyr was once a frame different from any of the others we currently are using - a frame I'm going to call Valkyrie from this point on) were distraught and piteous enough over what happened to their closest sister that they ritually underwent their own alterations to turn themselves into what she was as well.

 

As for a Prime Valkyr: I think it's possible, as to me the current generation of Primes are more the Tenno outfitting their frames with Orokin Technology than the oldest of the Tenno (or, at the least, it's possible for them to be).

[RoboDoge]

In some time, Valkyr might be primed. But IIRC DE stated that they want prime first 8 frames before everything else.

 

 

So count on Nyx, Loki, Volt and Ash before everything else.