Why Ember Take Fire Damage?

[(PSN)john5153]

Love the game....never heard of it until ps4 by the way...glad it's free too...anyway my point is that maybe I don't notice, but why does ember get hurt by fire when they control it? Very least should be half....goes for frost and cold powers...... If I run through fire....it shouldn't hurt ember....,but when I'm in a stage affected by cold...should be much more starting initial damage....,

[CatScratch]

cuz fire hot brah

[Silverton]

I always wondered that myself or why frost is affected by ice slow. It has also confused me as to how Ember produces fire when oxygen is turned off or why the ship halls are on fire still after the windows are blown out. 

[Archistopheles]

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[(PSN)john5153]

cuz fire hot brah

Yeah, but we talking about aliens and stuff.,,like comic book characters...very least the damage they take is greatly reduced compared to another. So if I walk through fire with ember....I probably shouldn't be hurt....also adding if I was on a stage that had heavy cold damage...frost prime should get a slight boost in powers....make it small in which it grows according to rank...so if u at level 5, u getting like 5% percent boost, but if u like 30 Lviv u get like 20% more damage

[(PSN)john5153]

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Where is the orignal?im kinda new here so I didn't see it anywhere....

[AcewingX]

The same reason why Saryn is affected negatively by toxicity, and why Frost's shields get halved in colder than normal temperatures on ships.

 

Oh, right forgot to add the "reason" - There isn't one.

[Deristel]

Yes there is.Ember can superheat the air.
It's no different from being a walking lighter.If you use a lighter you can make fire,still if you put your hand on it you get burned.
In case of fireball and ultimate,i could say that her warframe shield her from the high temperature of the air ,but it's kinda different if you go walking into a flame.True,her ember prime frame has a flame on her head,we could hypotize that the heat get dispersed upward,so the frame is isolated enough to not cause damage.

Aside this,it's a videogame.Toxic ancient can be poisoned,robot can suffer from viral and toxic (even if they have resistences toward it,it's a robot.How can a toxine work?)

Edited March 26, 2014 by Deristel

[CryoClaw]

It's called "balance"

Ever heard of it? It's quite popular amongst good games

[CatScratch]

Yeah, but we talking about aliens and stuff.,,like comic book characters...very least the damage they take is greatly reduced compared to another. So if I walk through fire with ember....I probably shouldn't be hurt....also adding if I was on a stage that had heavy cold damage...frost prime should get a slight boost in powers....make it small in which it grows according to rank...so if u at level 5, u getting like 5% percent boost, but if u like 30 Lviv u get like 20% more damage

All lame suggestions, knowing DE they will probably make fire heal Ember or something.

[Morwyn]

This has also been a major issue with me, elemental frames should have resistances to their base elementals. As OP said, Frost/cold, Ember/heat, Saryn/poison, etc. It doesn't have to be immunity, but some resistance makes sense. Sure, fire burns but Ember's HEAD IS ON FIRE FFS lol

[marbatico]

because she woud be immune to napalms, wich are one of the most problematic grineer for most players

[Deristel]

It's called "balance"

Ever heard of it? It's quite popular amongst good games

Even a 5% innate resistence to fire (and -5% resistence to ice,to make it balanced) would be good for  me.After all she use fire all the time,it's only natural it should be a frame created to resist to fire as a safety measure.

[CryoClaw]

Even a 5% innate resistence to fire (and -5% resistence to ice,to make it balanced) would be good for  me.After all she use fire all the time,it's only natural it should be a frame created to resist to fire as a safety measure.

5% that make almost no different and only add to your urge to make it a bit more resistant...

Really man... Stop trying to make thus happen it's not going to happen

[Axterix13]

This has also been a major issue with me, elemental frames should have resistances to their base elementals. As OP said, Frost/cold, Ember/heat, Saryn/poison, etc. It doesn't have to be immunity, but some resistance makes sense. Sure, fire burns but Ember's HEAD IS ON FIRE FFS lol

And so is the melee weapon on my Warframe's back.

[HillsAndTheSea]

Even a 5% innate resistence to fire (and -5% resistence to ice,to make it balanced) would be good for  me.After all she use fire all the time,it's only natural it should be a frame created to resist to fire as a safety measure.

 

why even go through the effort to implement and balance something if it has to be intentionally insignificant? there is no good way to give elemental frames balanced elemental attacks because the enemies do not use balanced elemental attacks

 

the system isnt broken, and doesnt need fixing, if you want elemental resists feel free to waste your mod slots on them

[(PSN)MyTagForHalo]

Or you know.. you could stay away from the fire tenno.. 

 

They would have to write code for every frame to check for the certain conditions. Kinda like going into a invasion as frost and taking more damage cause you like t play frost. Its just unbalanced.

[Deristel]

why even go through the effort to implement and balance something if it has to be intentionally insignificant? there is no good way to give elemental frames balanced elemental attacks because the enemies do not use balanced elemental attacks

 

the system isnt broken, and doesnt need fixing, if you want elemental resists feel free to waste your mod slots on them

For the lore.I don't care for the 5% fire reduction,doesn't change anything.But the fact that a fire based frame suffer from fire as much as a cold based frame,lore wise,is stupid.That's all.We're not saying "the game is broken".

[Skarmax]

because volt gets electric damage

 

[HillsAndTheSea]

For the lore.I don't care for the 5% fire reduction,doesn't change anything.But the fact that a fire based frame suffer from fire as much as a cold based frame,lore wise,is stupid.That's all.We're not saying "the game is broken".

 

how is it stupid? does it say specifically anywhere that in the lore that "ember cannot be hurt by fire under any circumstances"? no? then you have no actual argument other than "i assume it would make more sense this way"

 

a game should always be about gameplay first and realism second, especially in an established (science) fiction setting

 

warframe does not and should not conform to reality or logic, if i wanted a game that conformed to reality i would play arma3 or just go outside

[Ishki88]

Not sure if people are missing his point but he is referring to Ember being the only frame that has an ability which causes self inflicting damage.

 

 

Which is still stupid.

[Deristel]

how is it stupid? does it say specifically anywhere that in the lore that "ember cannot be hurt by fire under any circumstances"? no? then you have no actual argument other than "i assume it would make more sense this way"

 

a game should always be about gameplay first and realism second, especially in an established (science) fiction setting

 

warframe does not and should not conform to reality or logic, if i wanted a game that conformed to reality i would play arma3 or just go outside

yes ofcourse.For the same reason,firefighter should go doing their job coated in fuel.

If my frame is a fire user frame,and orokin weren't stupid,it's only logical that she has some sort of resistence to it.Even if minimal.Even if was -1 hp dmg.Reality,how you call it,is another thing.Reality is killing an enemy with a headshot.Is getting sucked out when you destroy a broken glass in the corpus ships,or using up life support (a.k.a. oxigen) if you play as ember.

I don't see where your issues is.Support frame have low armor (trinity 15).Ember is a caster aoe damager (class "mage") so she has S#&$ shield and armor.Rhino is a tank so he has high armor and health with a loss of speed.What balance would upset a small resistence to fire on a fire user frame?Expecially if you were to put a negative resistence on the opposite element.

[HillsAndTheSea]

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are you actually saying that warframe should conform to logic? the game is fiction and and should only conform to DE's vision while sustaining a suspension of disbelief, which you already have to do to believe the future ninja space magic war nonsense going on already

 

and my arguement is that there is no point to implement something that requires a large amount of work that will go virtually unnoticed.

 

why implement something that would require alot of effort, in both rebalancing the elemental attacks of enemies and the resists of the warframes, just for something that has to be insignificant to function properly? im positive DE has better things to do than to cause headaches by giving arbitrary weaknesses and advantages to frames that will ultimately limit them to even more niche roles.

 

warframe is a science fiction video game that centers its ideals around "balance and choice". your idea is facile at best

Edited March 26, 2014 by HillsAndTheSea

[Deristel]

are you actually saying that warframe should conform to logic? the game is fiction and and should only conform to DE's vision while sustaining a suspension of disbelief, which you already have to do to believe the future ninja space magic war nonsense going on already

 

and my arguement is that there is no point to implement something that requires a large amount of work that will go virtually unnoticed.

 

why implement something that would require alot of effort, in both rebalancing the elemental attacks of enemies and the resists of the warframes, just for something that has to be insignificant to function properly? im positive DE has better things to do than to cause headaches by giving arbitrary weaknesses and advantages to frames that will ultimately limit them to even more niche roles.

 

warframe is a science fiction video game that centers its ideals around "balance and choice". your idea is facile at best

There's nothing to really balance since we already have mod that can increase elemental resistence.

It would go unnoticed?Nope.If that was the case,this topic would not exist.People do notice these stuff,simply,when they're done good,noone post about it because noone complains.But the player base notice them and likes them.

DE vision is a war between space ninja with high tech advanced suit and special powers.High-.tech.Keyword.Fire user?Your frame surely has some mechanism to increase your survival in high temperature environement,if you use fire as your power.Not immune.Increased,survival.

This kind of things totally conform to the game view.Like if you play a mmorpg,you expect a caster to die in a matter of seconds if he start playing the front liner melee fighter.

I do agree there are more pressing matters to work on.Just don't come saying it's illogical to apply it because the scenario is already illogical.It is not.If we accept the basic lore,it's a realistic scenario.Everyone has a reason to hate the other faction and to kill them.There is a reason if greener are half robotic,if corpus use robot since they're not fighter,and so on.Lore makes a game.And specific warframe resistence fall inside the lore range,in this case.If not,we would have trinity with the same armor of rhino.Why does that not happen?Because rhino is a tank heavily armored to be a frontliner.Trinity is a supporter that should stay in the back rows..So their warframe has different statistics.This is already a "Logical" thing.Just because a game is fictional doesn't mean that you should shoot unicorns from your weapons.

Edited March 26, 2014 by Deristel

[Genos27]

I'm actually okay with the way it is.  Each frame's powers consume energy.  Since Ember expends energy to control/create fire she would theoretically have to expend energy (possibly a slow energy drain) to be resistant/immune to the element as well.