Dex Furis, Anniversaries, And Exclusive Items

[PoorCensored]

Edit: Other than the DEX FURIS, this post does not concern itself with the future availability of existing exclusive items. It does concern the future availability of future exclusive items.

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First off, I'd like to congratulate DE on one year of successful development of Warframe and its community. While I've only been here for a few months, I have to say I do enjoy the game and hope it will be around for many more anniversaries.

Second, I'd like to thank DE for giving every player a gift: DEX FURIS. I think its awesome that you are giving out gift to all your players to celebrate your own milestones. Its like going to someone's birthday party and being given a gift.

That said...

I have a concern about the shear number of exclusive items that seem to exist in Warframe: Founder's Primes, Vandals, Wraiths, Retired Items, and Dexs...

I don't know if the DEX FURIS are going to become available again (though, if someone from DE is reading this and knows, please tell me), but I hope they will. I'd like to see *less* permanently exclusive content in the game.

I'm not suggesting that you just make the DEX FURIS freely available all year round, but I would like to see them made available again on your next anniversary - and the one after that - and the one after that - and... you get the idea.

If you want to make anniversary (or holiday) awards more limited, you could set them up as mile stones. First time you're around for an anniversary? Get a DEX FURIS. Second time your around for an anniversary? Get a DEX [New Anniversary 2 Item]. Third time? DEX [New Anniversary 3 Item]. No one is forever locked out of getting a particular item, until the game itself is retired. The items are just time locked.

Perhaps an even better idea, if you are going to be so generous as to release new exclusive items, would be to award a special type of unique currency, or token, on your anniversary (or holiday, or event). On your anniversary, you could give all your players an anniversary token that they could redeem for any one of the exclusive anniversary items you had made so far. Veteran players who supported you ever year would have all the items released so far, while new players or veterans who missed a past award could pick up the new awesome item you designed, or one of the past awesome ones they missed.

You could propagate out the idea for events as well. For example, if you have the option of supporting either the Grineer or Corpus, you could release a new exclusive weapon for each faction. As rewards, you could award two types of tokens: one Grineer or Corpus token as battle pay (for the faction supported to whatever event goal), and one additional token of the same type to those who supported the winning side. All previous faction specific items would be available for 1 token, and a super-charged (potato'ed) version of the current new-exclusive item would be available for two tokens. Veterans can still get bonuses from always sticking around (potato'ed new weapon), new players (and vets who missed an event) could still get the cool items they wanted, people who support the losing side can still get a version of what they wanted, and collectors could still collect (stuff is just time locked).

Had a token system been in place during the Gradivus Dilemma, you could have avoided a bunch of issues people had with the Braak and Detron. Both sides would have got access to the weapon they liked, the winners would have access to a catalyzed version, people who missed the event could have still gotten them later as a reward from a later event, and they could have retained more exclusivity (because they could have remained available via future events instead of being added as a drop).

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I know it sounds a bit silly, but, even though the DEX FURIS looks amazing (and I'm appreciative to DE for giving away free awesome stuff), I'd feel a bit bad having it if, after April 2nd, no one else will be able to get it. If it is going to be forever limited, I'd like to know so I can either give it to someone else (if its tradeable), or sell it to the in-game market place.

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Periodically edited for clarity.

Edited March 29, 2014 by PoorCensored

[Hawk_of_the_Reborn]

To be honest, the whole token thing sounds interesting.


But No. Founders won't come back, ever. As in not even God himself can make DE make founders available again, or Alah or Shiva or science whatever god you choose to believe in.

Vandals are or were only for those who played since closed beta, I don't think they will ever come back either

As for the event or all the Wraith weapons, they may or may not come back sometime later in different events or celebrations and such.

 

[Wallace24]

I think Dex/Vandal/Wraith weapons should stay exclusive. they were rewards for events of some sort or another. and if DE really wants to award another DEx/Vandal/Wraith weapon, I'd prefer a new design, rather than resurrecting an old one

 

I don't think DE should enter into a Ghastly/Ghostly Gibus type of deal, where you get the item, and it gets upgraded each year. if DE plans on doing something like this every anniversary, it should be a new weapon. plus, again, I'd prefer a new weapon rather than a rehashed one if DE does go for another Dex-type weapon next year. but if you make it milestone-style, either way, new players are missing out on something. if you have it your way, they're missing out on the new weapon, otherwise, they're missing out on the Dex furis. I think Dex furis should stick with the vandals/wraiths that have already come out. after april 2nd, you shouldn't be able to get them again, not have new players next year get it, but they can't get whatever the new weapon is. just keep it so that next year, everyone gets the new weapon, and the old weapon is in the vault

[kaboomonme]

See :

http://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Ghastlierest_Gibus

OP, did you get the idea from this as well?

I think it's a great idea. +1


EDIT : Wallace24 makes a good point too.

Edited March 28, 2014 by kaboomonme

[NanoDecerto]

Exclusivity is fun for those involved though. In this case, everyone has a Dex Furis, but in a year, by the time the next anniversary comes around, it will be cool to say you have one. As long as they aren't overpowered (and I can't think of any overpowered exclusives) they are fine the way they are. Knowing your exclusives aren't exclusive at all kinda takes away the fun. Warframe seems to revolve around grinding and being rewarded, and this is just more of that.

[PoorCensored]

To be honest, the whole token thing sounds interesting.

But No. Founders won't come back, ever. As in not even God himself can make DE make founders available again, or Alah or Shiva or science whatever god you choose to believe in.

Vandals are or were only for those who played since closed beta, I don't think they will ever come back either

As for the event or all the Wraith weapons, they may or may not come back sometime later in different events or celebrations and such.

 

 

I've edited my post for clarity. While I'd like to see everything come back, this post isn't about that. Its about trying to establish a way forward. I suspect the only things that might come back would be the Wraiths and the Vandal Prova, however, last time I spoke with support, they said DE had no plans to do so - and I spoke to them after the dev stream 'Vault' comment. That reply from support was a key reason I got rid of my Wraith Gorgon (my only Wraith).

 

I think Dex/Vandal/Wraith weapons should stay exclusive. they were rewards for events of some sort or another. and if DE really wants to award another DEx/Vandal/Wraith weapon, I'd prefer a new design, rather than resurrecting an old one

 

I don't think DE should enter into a Ghastly/Ghostly Gibus type of deal, where you get the item, and it gets upgraded each year. if DE plans on doing something like this every anniversary, it should be a new weapon. plus, again, I'd prefer a new weapon rather than a rehashed one if DE does go for another Dex-type weapon next year. but if you make it milestone-style, either way, new players are missing out on something. if you have it your way, they're missing out on the new weapon, otherwise, they're missing out on the Dex furis. I think Dex furis should stick with the vandals/wraiths that have already come out. after april 2nd, you shouldn't be able to get them again, not have new players next year get it, but they can't get whatever the new weapon is. just keep it so that next year, everyone gets the new weapon, and the old weapon is in the vault

 

I think a token based system would be my favorite option.

 

See :

http://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Ghastlierest_Gibus

OP, did you get the idea from this as well?

I think it's a great idea. +1

EDIT : Wallace24 makes a good point too.

 

No, though my thoughts on how exclusives should be handled is largely informed by TF2. I got my Max's Head from pre-ordering Sam & Max; I got my Ear Buds from playing on my Mac... and, honestly, I wish they would never have been limited-time exclusives. The number of problems they caused me because everyone didn't have a way to earn time was... I had my account hacked... I was harassed in game... and lets not even touch the Halocaust...

 

When I played TF2, I advocated for all items to be earnable, somehow. Like I thought the S&M items should become available as an achievement award - for beating all 15 episodes of season 1-3 of S&M. And I thought the Ear Buds should always be available to people who logged into a Mac.

 

(Honestly, if DE could, I'd love for people who log into a PC to get a PC exclusive item and people who log into a PS4 to get an exclusive item, but have that item be bound across both platforms - so if you logged into Warframe from both a PC and PS4, you'd get both items. Technically, not possible right now, to my knowledge, but it would be awesome, and I think it could help bring together PC and PS4 players...)

 

Exclusivity is fun for those involved though. In this case, everyone has a Dex Furis, but in a year, by the time the next anniversary comes around, it will be cool to say you have one. As long as they aren't overpowered (and I can't think of any overpowered exclusives) they are fine the way they are. Knowing your exclusives aren't exclusive at all kinda takes away the fun. Warframe seems to revolve around grinding and being rewarded, and this is just more of that.

 

What's the fun in permanently having something no one else can?

[MEsoJD]

oh look, it's this thread again...

[XAN3MK]

One can only go so far in being constructive when this topic is being brought up needlesly over and over again.

There is nothing wrong with exclusive items and they should stay exclusive. "I haven't been around for an event and missed the item? Welp, too bad, on to the next one."

[Seanjuju]

OR..just spit-balling here, OR, we have exclusive weapons and they are never made available again. The Dex Furis are nice but ceremonial. The problem when you give out exclusive or "special" weapons left and right is what I like to call T.P.R.E. This stands for The. Participation. Ribbon. Effect. In other words, when you give exclusive weapons out too easily, they lose their ceremonial value and become slightly-sub-par weapons that are quickly leveled and forgotten because of their lack of swag value. Swag value is greater than or equal to ceremonial value (remember this equation, you will need it later). Ceremonial weapons will never be the most powerful in the game though they're decent. The bar set for the items has a direct relationship to how powerful they can be.

 

Here's an example of T.P.R.E in action. 

 

DE/Apple: Lets give everyone a machete wraith for vine-cutting day

Veteran Cucumber: I own a machete wraith. its sort of swag. However, now that its easily obtained by anyone at anytime for free, its not even ceremonial; its just another weapon that will be forgotten in melee 6.0. 

DE/Apple: Almost everyone threw their machete wraiths away. Maybe exclusive weapons are less about the weapon and more about the swag.

Veteran Cucumber: Since exclusive weapons don't have swagger, I'll only get a badge from the next event.

Collecters: I rejoice because I have every weapon. 

Veteran Cucumber: I don't understand you, collecter. Whats the point of having the weapons that aren't fun, end-gamey, or swag?

 

Swag > Ceremonial > Participation Ribbon > X

 

Please solve for X.

 

Goodnight.

Edited March 28, 2014 by Seanjuju

[Deristel]

I think they could sell them for plat the next year.Not many people will bother to buy them anyway since they're not overpowered or that good,and player who were around during the event will have them for free.

[LukeAura]

Some exclusives are meant to be swag. 
The Dex Furis are a slight improvement over the regular ones but they're hardly power creep. In fact, some people think they're actually weaker if you can believe that. Another topic altogether though. 

The Dex are almost exactly what you expect to find in a swag item, even better so than the founder exclusives. They should remain as such. 

And although I understand some people like to collect everything there will probably new items and new exclusives coming out until the game is discontinued. Their collections will never be complete any ways, it won't matter whether or not they have a few exclusives.

[DoomsDayDan]

People just can't deal with the thought of not having something, can they?

[Me.Greedy]

The only reason why the exlusive are an actual "issue" right now is that it is required to achieve the highest level Mastery Rank. In the future when there is enough content from "normal means" to achieve master rank 30 without the need of exclusives will it be okay for exclusives.

 

i could careless about never seeing Braton Vandal in my inventory, accept that i want it so i can get the xp for it. it also bothers the crap out of me that my codex can't get 100% because i'll never be able to get my hands on those weapons (excluding founders gear, that stuff makes perfect sense to be exclusive forever). XP being attached to these items is the problem (currently.) They aren't overpowered, so you aren't missing out on DPS; they look cool, but you can't color them to suit your look. the only true bonus right now is the XP you can gain from it.

 

anyways, i'm more venting than anything constructive.. lol

 

either way, i do support the idea of bringing vandals  and wraiths (aka event awards) around as something that can be earned somehow. (or constructed.) or tokens... in the end it's up to DE to figure out the demand of the players, and implement it in a way that makes sense to the warframe universe.

 

as for Dex Furis, it is a gift on the anniversary, and honestly should just be exclusive and TRADEABLE... Eve Online does this every year aswell, and you can aquire all old ships through the market if you desire (albiet some are insanely expensive, but you can if you desire it)

[PoorCensored]

Regarding swag, can you re-read my token idea? I've edited it to try to make my idea a little more clear.

Is it so bad to give people a choice in what swag they get? And maybe in certain situation give them a choice between one awesome piece of swag and two nice pieces of swag?

Edited March 29, 2014 by PoorCensored

[xIridescent]

This is an interesting topic, and as someone who missed the dex furis I'm really gutted :\

IMO all these exclusive weapons should be available again at some point in the future (but not founder gear). They could make it really hard to get them a second time round, but hey, it would be better than nothing. I would probably give an exclusive item a year before bringing it back in somehow. It's a long time but would make more sense rather than bringing them back out not long after.

[(PSN)The_Moustache]

Sadly, exclusives are here to stay. I'd personally be fine if the event mods and weapons were released as Nightmare rewards and put in the market for plat. They're just mods and weapons to me. I don't have a huge attachment to things like this and don't understand the desire to keep things exclusive to say you were there or something. I've never liked content being withheld from anyone.

I fully expect the forums to explode when the PS4's exclusives are revealed though. That's gonna be rough.

[LtZefar]

I'd be fine with releasing some of the exclusive stuff into the game as either drop rate or bought from market.

 

I have no problem with that because all it does is give players more options to pick from. It's a nice reward for people who happened to miss the event. Not to mention we get to use the weapon at it's most OP state when it was first released. We also get to use it for far longer than they do. Most have probably moved to another weapon by this point too.

 

DE got nothing to lose on this.

[PoorCensored]

@xIridescent

I haven't heard from DE about if the Dex Furis will be available next year or not. As such, my pair is still sitting in my inventory unused. If I could, I'd give them to you.

(If someone from DE is reading this and can make it happen, please feel free.)

@(PS4)The_Moustache

If PS4 exclusives are released, I agree. I think a lot of vitriol will bubble up.

Edited April 13, 2014 by PoorCensored