Radial Blind Vs Chaos

[bowmaster095]

I'm still wondering which one to use excalibur or nyx for CC purpose. I haven't tried nyx but i have all the part and i can make it anytime i want. My exprience with excalibur is really nice, radial blind is insane CC everyone will be blinded (no exception, period). I can spam radial blind all i want because i got streamline (with fleeting expertise it's perfect). While i don't really know about chaos, everyone said it's the best CC because it will make your enemy fight their own. But i also heard that you can't spam chaos as much as radial blind because of the duration. So, please tell me big difference between radial blind and chaos.

 

Thanks before !

[Teasing]

Radial Blind is better than Chaos in my opinion. You can spam Radial Blind multiple times compared to Chaos. With Chaos, you can only use 1 chaos until the cooldown is done.

[ensignvidiot]

If its a hard toss up between 'Cal and Nyx.... go with Loki

 

 

i digress.

 

Chaos is a pain in the butt. For the firs initial activation it is GREATEST CC EVER, but if just ONE GUY with the chaos effect is alive, it can not be recast. In addition, Nyx has no meat on her bones and falls to a stiff breeze (barring Absorb, but its really hard to set that up)

Excal has a bit spamier CC, however they will still try to shoot you if you make noise (enemies track your gunfire sound, if you use a bow, knives, or any 'silent' weapon... they are dead). However Excal has other offensive abilities that make him viable (and able to survive) in mid game. With just a continuity, Radial blind benefits greatly from it, but so does the length of Slash-Dash, letting you get in (or out of) a situation for you to use another ability.

 

Personally for CC, im a Loki man. But for your choice, i'd reccomend Excalibur

[MrJxt]

Radial Blind:

 

Pros:

-Can be used every 5 seconds.

-Blinded enemies revert to unalerted state taking more melee damage.

 

Cons:

-Enemies can still melee, throw grenades, may shoot at you randomly when they hear gunfire.

-Deals no direct damage

 

Chaos:

 

Pros:

-Enemies attack each other.

 

Cons:

-Cannot be recast until last affected enemy is dead or until cooldown runs out.

-Enemies will attack any closest target including you.

[Darzk]

Chaos - not 100% CC, but more effective as new enemies attack the cc'd ones. Essentially does scaleable damage as enemies kill each other, but no affinity gained from unassisted kills. Tiny chance with bad rng of having an unprotected area. Shorter duraton is better for recasting, so works great with FE.

 

RB - 100% targets affected, but mobs still throw nades / move to cover or towards the objective. New mobs entering the area aren't cc'd. Longer duration is better so FE has a big drawback.

 

The big difference imo is Nyx's 1 and 4 are useful, while Excals really arent.

[NanoDecerto]

I have a great time with Nyx in defense and survival. Just don't worry about absorb or psychic bolts at all. Just use overextended and and stretch to get a 52 meter radius on chaos and then add continuity (but not any more duration than that). I notice enemies tend to be more immobile under chaos as well. I would put nyx well above excalibur for CC. Excalibur has his place, as he can use offensive skills as well though.

[MrJxt]

Honestly, if you have the extra warframe slot to spare then try her out.

 

If you like playing Excalibur and using radial blind for CC then I'm sure you'll like Nyx.

[Neogeo]

Max range, max efficiency chaos only last 10 sec and it's cover the whole room easily. You seldom need to recast. Maybe it's just me, RD make enemy running around like a headless chicken. It's a pain in the arse to kill them

[Cynick]

I prefer Chaos because, despite its flaws, it completely removes aggro from you and anything you are trying to defend. With a short duration and max range, being stuck without being able to use it is not an issue. Absorb and Mind Control have uses also.

[MrJxt]

I prefer Chaos because, despite its flaws, it completely removes aggro from you and anything you are trying to defend. With a short duration and max range, being stuck without being able to use it is not an issue. Absorb and Mind Control have uses also.

Chaos doesnt completely remove aggro from you because enemies will attack the closest target, radial blind does a better job at removing agro.

[escape123]

Radial Blind > Chaos

[Casardis]

People seem to forget there's quite a good stun with Chaos BEFORE the "attack each other" part, essentially making it similar to radial blind in effectiveness and most likely more if you have maximized range + power efficiency to reduce duration . Better to cast it a bit more often to stun enemies and refresh the whole chaos instead of only one chaos' ed enemy left out sometimes preventing recast.

[Cynick]

Chaos doesnt completely remove aggro from you because enemies will attack the closest target, radial blind does a better job at removing agro.

Ok that's true I guess but the enemies DO have a higher priority to attack the other enemies effected by chaos and will generally only go for you as a last resort. 

[(PSN)witch3rDC52]

 

I'm still wondering which one to use excalibur or nyx for CC purpose. I haven't tried nyx but i have all the part and i can make it anytime i want. My exprience with excalibur is really nice, radial blind is insane CC everyone will be blinded (no exception, period). I can spam radial blind all i want because i got streamline (with fleeting expertise it's perfect). While i don't really know about chaos, everyone said it's the best CC because it will make your enemy fight their own. But i also heard that you can't spam chaos as much as radial blind because of the duration. So, please tell me big difference between radial blind and chaos.

 

Thanks before !

 

If you put a max Fleeting Expertise in Nyx and don't add any duration mods, it runs for 10 secs.

Excalibur and Nyx are my two of my favorite frames.

Add range to both the abilities you mention.

[Naftal]

One thing anyone didn't seem to mention is that Chaos stops all enemies and makes them attack the closest target where they stand, making the crowds scattered and not come to you/objective before the duration is over. I hate it for the same reason I hate door heroes. They may stay behind xp range and all the loot is scattered everywhere.

[Darzk]

Also, enemies not near other enemies afflicted by chaos may not be CC'd at all.

 

 

... Frankly Radial Blind spam is the better *CC*, but Chaos has more utility, in that it deals scaleable damage and brings enemies out from cover.

 

Also, RD spam is BORING - at least Nxy can do something different between chaos casts than just spam 3.

Edited March 28, 2014 by Darzk

[bowmaster095]

Thanks everyone, i will give it more tought before deciding. I think i like radial blind more due to the style when excalibur raise his sword XD. It's really cool and have smooth animation.

[MrJxt]

Just to slightly correct something with Radial Blind - enemies do not melee.

 

Overall I'd rate it higher than Chaos personally

Melee units will run to the source of your gunfire and try to melee but ranged units do not.

[sneakatone]

radial blind can stop you from getting killed, chaos cannot always do that.

[.Talia.]

Radial Blind is better Crowd Control than Chaos.

[Naftal]

It's funny how most people are now saying RB > Chaos. When I started playing with RB excal like 5-6 months ago and claimed that, no one agreed.

[(PSN)witch3rDC52]

Also, enemies not near other enemies afflicted by chaos may not be CC'd at all.

 

 

... Frankly Radial Blind spam is the better *CC*, but Chaos has more utility, in that it deals scaleable damage and brings enemies out from cover.

 

Also, RD spam is BORING - at least Nxy can do something different between chaos casts than just spam 3.

So can Excalibur. He is one to equip with silent weapons like bow, rocket launcher, Galatine and take out the heavies. Plus super jump with Heavy Impact mod helps knockdown enemies. And you slashdash thru enemies for escape, maneuvering, rescuing etc.