Cemges Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 (edited) Well this is my opinion. I don't care about skana lato and excalibur prime being exclusive, its ok. Excalibur proto skin is also ok. Wraith & Vandal weapons and exclusive mods however, are just a nightmare for new players to come. Theres no.doubt that if you wanna make reliable proc builds, you need tethra and cicero mods. I personally have cicero mods and can just buy tethra for cheaper than I sold them anytime, for platinum howeverm I can agree that they need to be rare, but any exclusive mod or weapon that is stronger than original will limit the joy new players will have. Sure, old players need some exclusives, but that exclusivity should be exclusive to visuals and not something that changes the way you play for once and for all. Think what would happen if melee 2.0 was exclusive to founders only... Well I made my point. I dont see any possible reasonable argument to oppose how I think. This is bad for de, bad for our community, bad for new players. There shouldnt be exclusive mods or weapons that are basicly needed. Primed chamber is a game breaker: Either you cant buff snipers without making them too OP, so sniper is not reliable for normal player, or you buff it to make it reliable to normal player and you make it too OP for that 1000 person who won that mode. Timed exclusive can be ok but not with disney vault; you can just release them several months ago for some, but you need to express that openly. A mod released for some players should be availible to others within a month or two at max. Edited March 28, 2014 by Cemges Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taikaponi Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 Well this is my opinion. I don't care about skana lato and excalibur prime being exclusive, its ok. Excalibur proto skin is also ok. Wraith & Vandal weapons and exclusive mods however, are just a nightmare for new players to come. Theres no.doubt that if you wanna make reliable proc builds, you need tethra and cicero mods. I personally have cicero mods and can just buy tethra for cheaper than I sold them anytime, for platinum howeverm I can agree that they need to be rare, but any exclusive mod or weapon that is stronger than original will limit the joy new players will have. Sure, old players need some exclusives, but that exclusivity should be exclusive to visuals and not something that changes the way you play for once and for all. Think what would happen if melee 2.0 was exclusive to founders only... Well I made my point. I dont see any possible reasonable argument to oppose how I think. This is bad for de, bad for our community, bad for new players. There shouldnt be exclusive mods or weapons that are basicly needed. Primed chamber is a game breaker: Either you cant buff snipers without making them too OP, so sniper is not reliable for normal player, or yiu buff it to make it reliable to normal player and you make it too OP for that 1000 person who won that mode. Vandals and Wraiths are usually pretty balanced. You don't see that many players with Strun Wraiths, Gorgon Wraiths, Twin Wraith Vipers or Snipetron Vandals anymore. Tethra and Cicero mods, indeed, are a problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Venarge Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 event items exist in every other game. they are exclusive to those who participate on those events.I dont see people making dozens of threads in WOW/GW2/AION/ etc where its completely normal to have exclusive gear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orbister Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 event items exist in every other game. they are exclusive to those who participate on those events. I dont see people making dozens of threads in WOW/GW2/AION/ etc where its completely normal to have exclusive gear. this does not negate any of the OP valid points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orbister Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 I agree with you except in one thing, i don't think that veteran players need exclusives, and exclusives, whether or not they are common in other games do create controversia amongst players, specially if they give advantages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zarbain Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 (edited) So you are saying, We should work for magnificent looks not better gear? Edit: Also doing a Pay2Win thing like that would just make players enraged if they had to pay for power. Never in games should you have to pay for power that is just insanely stupid. Edited March 28, 2014 by Zarbain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taikaponi Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 So you are saying, We should work for magnificent looks not better gear? Play for fun, not for the rewards. If the events and the gameplay in Warframe in general is boring in your opinion, why are you still here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orbister Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 Play for fun, not for the rewards. If the events and the gameplay in Warframe in general is boring in your opinion, why are you still here? exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dzxbeast Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 as long as normal gear/mods/frames are balanced there is no need for everyone to have exclusives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DisOrd3r Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 As long as they release the mods to the public 1-2 months after the people who got them through the event I think it's cool :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrotherIcarus Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 Well the pay2win statement is just to get you attention so that is invalid. I do agree about the mods. (If you look at most of the other event mods they were released after some time) I do not see a problem with exclusive gear, the only reason I have ever seen anyone complain is because they thought the gear was more powerful because of its exclusivity but that is not the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zarbain Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 Play for fun, not for the rewards. If the events and the gameplay in Warframe in general is boring in your opinion, why are you still here? Wait now you are just turning my words good sir. I never said the events were boring it is just that I like having a reward when I do something and by reward I don't mean some crappy 5k credit reward like a alert. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExorcistEX Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 (edited) I think OP is mad becasue he didnt get certain of weapon. and beside, how many people actually using those Wraith & Vandal weapons? They made Wraith weapon a bit OP before but now all Wraith weapon are very balance to other weapon as well. They are there because people did the event. the only down side is that people missed these weapons will lose quite a bit of mys.rank xp. imo, remove mys.rank.xp for these weapon is the best option. and again, event mod will make to public just matter of time. event weapon should stay exclusive as long as it labled with Wraith. Edited March 28, 2014 by ExorcistEX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cemges Posted March 28, 2014 Author Share Posted March 28, 2014 So you are saying, We should work for magnificent looks not better gear? Edit: Also doing a Pay2Win thing like that would just make players enraged if they had to pay for power. Never in games should you have to pay for power that is just insanely stupid. A player should be able to get the better gear as they advance, he should be able to do proc builds too, he shouldnt be limited because he started to game later. Ok people love exclusives and pay for them, or they want stuff free players cant fet, and thats normal, but that should be exclusive to looks. Can you thin of the whining if prime gear were all exclusive to veterans and if best weapons like soma and ogris n stuff were all exclusive to platinum buyers and normal players couldnt get them nor an alternative? That would feel like a gameforge game, thrills the hell out of me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taikaponi Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 (edited) Wait now you are just turning my words good sir. I never said the events were boring it is just that I like having a reward when I do something and by reward I don't mean some crappy 5k credit reward like a alert. ''We should work for magnificent looks'' That, for me, indicates that you are only playing for the rewards. Edited March 28, 2014 by Taikaponi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zarbain Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 The mods normally do come out later. Almost every event mod other then the tethra and cicero ones are out in survival or nightmares. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Venarge Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 this does not negate any of the OP valid points. valid points? Sorry but OP does not have anything that supports his/her argument. Its just an opinion. And so is my post. They are all opinions. So why should i negate anything? OP doesnt even bring valid points other than his view about certain things.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Mr.Meeseeks- Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 No this doesn't sound like a very good idea. Say if there is an event in the future that requires the amount of grind that the Brakk did. People will be much less willing to participate in events that require that much time and effort if all you get is a weapon skin or something similar. People need some sort of motivation in order to participate. A player should be able to get the better gear as they advance, he should be able to do proc builds too, he shouldnt be limited because he started to game later. Ok people love exclusives and pay for them, or they want stuff free players cant fet, and thats normal, but that should be exclusive to looks. Can you thin of the whining if prime gear were all exclusive to veterans and if best weapons like soma and ogris n stuff were all exclusive to platinum buyers and normal players couldnt get them nor an alternative? That would feel like a gameforge game, thrills the hell out of me. Fact of the matter is, none of the event exclusive weapons are powerhouses. They've either been nerfed to hell or overwritten by even stronger weapons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cemges Posted March 28, 2014 Author Share Posted March 28, 2014 I think OP is mad becasue he didnt get certain of weapon. I suggest you read my post first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cemges Posted March 28, 2014 Author Share Posted March 28, 2014 No this doesn't sound like a very good idea. Say if there is an event in the future that requires the amount of grind that the Brakk did. People will be much less willing to participate in events that require that much time and effort if all you get is a weapon skin or something similar. People need some sort of motivation in order to participate. Fact of the matter is, none of the event exclusive weapons are powerhouses. They've either been nerfed to hell or overwritten by even stronger weapons. I dont say any of them are powerhouses, de does a good job on them actually and this should continue this way. Event mods however are a different case. But if they were to release something as strong as brakk or detron again on an event, they should certainly release them the same way they did. I think DE did a good job on them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KittyDarkling Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 Vandals and Wraiths are usually pretty balanced. You don't see that many players with Strun Wraiths, Gorgon Wraiths, Twin Wraith Vipers or Snipetron Vandals anymore. Tethra and Cicero mods, indeed, are a problem. | This ^ and the answer to the mod problems is this v | The mods normally do come out later. Almost every event mod other then the tethra and cicero ones are out in survival or nightmares. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taikaponi Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 | This ^ and the answer to the mod problems is this v | Cicero mods could replace all the credit rewards in Void Survival and Defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cemges Posted March 28, 2014 Author Share Posted March 28, 2014 Also cicero mods being sold for 500 a set and I dunno if you see but "WTB primed chambrt 5000 plat " threads dont make any favor to game economy. 5000 plat for a mod? Lets see, that does makes approximately a Rhino stomp pack. 140$ worth mods? Seems legit. That opens oppurtunity for platinum resellers.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zarbain Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 Also cicero mods being sold for 500 a set and I dunno if you see but "WTB primed chambrt 5000 plat " threads dont make any favor to game economy. 5000 plat for a mod? Lets see, that does makes approximately a Rhino stomp pack. 140$ worth mods? Seems legit. That opens oppurtunity for platinum resellers.. Primed Chamber is extremely rare which is why it sells so high. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cemges Posted March 28, 2014 Author Share Posted March 28, 2014 Primed Chamber is extremely rare which is why it sells so high. I am aware. Do you know what would be the cost of 1 year old account with all exclusives and also founder packs if only that mod was 140? Think, prson may have spent 300 dollars on that and 300 hours to game itself. At mastery 10, that account could be sold for 1k dollars and that would be a profit. Do you know metin2? Small mafias have been formed around games, hundreds of bots rendering game unplayable, accounts selling for thousands of dollars and even murders taking place. Things can go wrong. But that might feel a little off topic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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